which cheap shotty

[Clone]

iv been wanting to get a 12g pump for home defence and plinking. which one do u think is the most reliable and all around good gun for the money?

Norinco 981
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http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/37_288/products_id/91400?osCsid=c9a964f5b5eec81b11f2686feaa59dec $150

DALY CDGF3010
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http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/37_224/products_id/81371?osCsid=c9a964f5b5eec81b11f2686feaa59dec $135

[XavierBreath]

Keep in mind that buying new does not buy reliable. It buys new.
Here's (http://www.members.tripod.com/~jth8260/870.html) an indepth argument between the Mossberg 500 (my pick) and the Remington 870. Truth be told, they are both good. Another real contender IMHO is the Winchester 1200/1300.

All can be found in pawn shops below the $150 mark. If you look hard and can accept a reliable beater, there is no reason to spend more than $100.

Here are mine.
http://www.bayourovers.com/RiotGun.jpg
Mossberg 500.

http://www.bayourovers.com/winchester1200.jpg
Winchester 1200

My page (http://www.geocities.com/xavierbreath2//shotguns.html) on these guns.

[Hotbarrel]

I'd spend a hundred more and get a new Rem 870 Express or a used Ithaca M-37.
Call me a chest-pounding gorilla, but I think we give foreigners enough money as it is. There's plenty of well-made overseas products (priced accordingly) but it's not necessary to buy from China or Turkey to get a good, inexpensive gun.
Besides, where are you going to send it when it breaks? Shanghai? Istanbul?
Also, you can have the satisfaction of pulling the trigger and saying, "Take THAT, you piece of s**t! Courtesy of the Red, White and Blue!"

Just my $.02

[226]

870 (http://www.remingtonle.com/pdf/RemingtonLE_2005_Firearms.pdf)

[Clone]

iv found a couple more at cdnn for $120. they both come with a optional pistol grip. does a pistol grip help with recoil?

Ultracell 6shot pump

Hawk Industries 6shot pump, 870 clone

Buying a used Mossberg or Winchester used at a pawn shop is no better than buying new, either way they just want to sell ya something and will tell ya anything to get u to buy it. without testing one its a crap shoot either way. the only perk to buying at a pawn shop is theres no shiping. but i would love to find someone that is willing to sell a decent pump localy so i could test it out but thats not likely, so im stuck with the crap shoot either way.

[Dfariswheel]

To answer the original question:
Given the choice between the Norinco 870 "clone", and the Daly, I'd recommend the 870 clone.

The general consensus on the Norinco is, it's a fair quality, all-steel near-exact copy of the 870.

The differences between the Remington and the Norinco are, the Norinco uses a steel trigger group and the magazine tube holds 5 shells.

Some parts will interchange.
Of course the Norinco is not as well fitted or finished as a Remington, and there's going to be some burrs and roughness.

The Norinco has been sold under a number of names, including Norinco, Hawk, and Interstate, among others.
These are the same 870 copy, just with different importers names on them.

[Wildalaska]

From the gunshop perspective:

Remington 870.

Anyhting less is a waste of $$$

WildfirmbeleifAlaska

[-RotorDemon-]

I have a Norinco Model 98, "IAC Hawk" (870 clone) 18" barrel. great shotty. put almost 1000 rounds through the tube as well as some 3" slugs.

Not one complaint.
Paid $189 new.

"Some parts will interchange.
Of course the Norinco is not as well fitted or finished as a Remington, and there's going to be some burrs and roughness."

A friend has an 870 and every part will exchange except the trigger assembly, and that is also true about the finish, got a tad bit of moisture when I went shooting, put it in the case came home and cleaned it the next day and the reciever had surface rust forming.

as for the burrs and roughness a bit of 200grit cleaned it all up.

[utaherrn]

how does one spell "Police Trade In"?

cheaper than new, broken in (not broken down) action is smooth as glass, and the lack of even bluing just acts as urban camouflage :D

stay away from the pistol grip. sure the bad guy might be scared initially by the macho looks but will be laughing when you can't hit for sh*t with it.

recoil is much better managed by tucking the full stock up into your armpit/ribs as you go "trigger happy" pumping out buckshot while you scream "take that you inbred sack of dogsh........but I digress

[RoyG]

Look around. Most Wal-Mart's have the Mossberg 500 for $160 or so. Or you can get the Maverick 88 for that price also. At Wal-Mart these will have at least a 20 inch barrel. WM only sells guns with a sporting purpose

Check pawn shops for used beaters also. I got a Win 1200 for $100 otd. A lot of these will have the old poly chokes on them. Either find another barrel for it or cut it down for a HD gun.

Don't forget the old store brands also. Think Sears, JC Penny, Western Auto... I have a Western Auto (Mossberg) that I use for skeet. These can be had for a c-note in most pawn shops.

[foghornl]

My humble 1/50th of $1 . . .

For new inexpensive, look at the Maverick 88. Maverick Arms is owned and operated by Mossberg. On sale at Wal-mart/Dunhams Sporting Goods/Big 5, frequently as low as $139.

I'm not buying any Chicom firearms, unless it is one of their AK's or SKS's.

My HD/SD shotty? A [now] 15-year old Maverick 88, with the 18-1/2" cylinder bored barrel, 28" modified choke barrel for other field & woods use.

Is it as nicely finished as say a classic 870 Wingmaster? No. Tough and reliable? OH YEAH! goes BOOM! ! every time. Am I willing to bet my hide on it? I do every day.

[shojin]

I recently purchased a Benelli Nova Special Pupose... took it to the range last weekend and totally fell in love with it. For a total cost of $400, it came with ghost ring sights and 2 round extension. It's action is very smooth and it's also very accurate. The only complaints that I've read about have to do with cutting down the stock... can't do that. However, it fits me perfectly (6'1") and it's quickly becoming my favorite gun to shoot.

[quack fiend]

$400 for a foreign, plastic pump-gun? uuhhh, NO :barf:

[shojin]

How is buying a Benelli different than buying a glock? Do you own a glock? do you own any gun not made in US? If you do not own a gun that is not made in the US, then you can school me on the merits of only buying Amernican. Other than that, it is my opinion that the Benelli Nova is actually a better SG than the esteemed 870 (and I actually like the 870 quite a bit), which after you trick it out, costs a bit more than $400. :rolleyes:

[Wildalaska]

Other than that, it is my opinion that the Benelli Nova is actually a better SG than the esteemed 870

I beleive that after I see a Benelli that has been running for 25 years plus in extremes condition, and yes, I have seen numerous 870s that have.

WildtestoftimeAlaska

[shojin]

No argument with I beleive that after I see a Benelli that has been running for 25 years plus in extremes condition, and yes, I have seen numerous 870s that have.
And I hope to get to know how this Benelli does over 25 years.

All I'm saying is that I like my Benelli Nova. However, I don't see why some of you feel the need to dis someone's choice in arms. In fact, it creates perception that you're kind of narrow minded.

[Romulus]

I read WA's post as simply saying he's reserving judgement...meaning that if he sees a Nova in 25 years holding up like a quarter-century old 870, then he'll sign on...why is that "dissing?" Actually it's good scientific method

edited for typos...

[38splfan]

I picked up a Maverick 88 at the local sporting goods store for $139.
It is a great gun. Fit and function are equal to the Mossber 500 or Remington 870 (my opinion). The barrels, buttstocks, and some other parts are interchangeable with Mossberg 500 parts.
ATI even sells some of the dress up crap if you feel the need for it.
I keep mine cut and dry. 20" cylinder bore barrel, ATI Mag-Lite mount, and receiver mounted 6-round sidesaddle.
I also have the original 24" barrel which accepts all Mossberg 500 chokes. By removing the sidesaddle, removing the light mount, and swapping the barrels, I have a perfectly serviceable feild gun that has proven itself repeatedly on most game.

I have looked at the Hawk (norinco) 870 copy, also. It seemed to be of reasonable quality and was very comfortable to shoulder. It also functioned smoothly.
The determining factor for me was price. The Hawk was $179, the Maverick was $139.
Either would make a decent GP gun in my opinion.

[Romulus]

call me fickle but a receiver on a shotgun should be cold blue steel...hence Rem 870 or Ithaca 37 (never had the pleasure of fondling a BPS)

Aluminum is the Devil's metal (TM)

[IZinterrogator]

Another vote for the Maverick 88. If you're willing to go used, I picked up a Mossberg 590A1 with ghost ring sights and 8+1 capacity for $250, IIRC.

[utaherrn]

and Romulus, I've got an extra BPS in the safe if you wanna go shoot some clay birds sometime.

[Skeetin'870]

I agree in the maverick 88 a friend of mine has on and after two years of constant use with minimal cleaning it still works

[jonathon]

Can't go wrong with any of the choices listed.

I'm quite fond of my 1200 though, 8 in the tube, one in the chamber, 18.5" barrel, smooth action, good trigger, sturdy reciever. Can't go wrong there :cool:

[unclestu]

If I wanted new, & really cheap, I'd buy a Maverick 88. Academy has them with 5+1 capacity, blue steel & synthetic stock, 18 1/2" bbl, for $149. Or the same gun, but with 28" VR interchangeable choke barrel, for $138. Figure that one out! :D

For ~$200 new I'd get a Remington 870 Express. Not too pretty, but it should last for several lifetimes.

Used, I'd get whatever Rem 870, Win 1200/1300, Ithaca 37, or Mossberg 500/590/Maverick 88 I could find a good deal on.

the guns you listed may be OK, but I'd stick with something I'm familiar with.

[rugerdude]

My pick for best value shotgun is the Maverick 88.

After dissasembling my uncle's 590 I can tell you that the stock, forend*, barrels, bolt, bolt carrier, elevator, and both of those little bars that lock shells in the mag tube will interchange.

The trigger group might interchange but then you would have 2 safeties and I believe that they wouldn't function together.

*the forends will interchange, but you need the COMPLETE mossberg forend to do it because it is more than one piece (websites selling forends ussually do not include the tube with the action bars, so that is why they say it wont fit the maverick).

I've put ~800 rounds through it without a single problem, which is more than skeetin 870 can say for his 20ga. (J.K. skeetin, it was those danged supersport reloads wasn't it?)

The maverick is cheap because of the cheap labor used to make it and a simplified forend. It is made in America and is a dang fine shotgun.

Happy shooting,
rugerdude

[3 weelin geezer]

recoil is much better managed by tucking the full stock up into your armpit/ribs as you go "trigger happy" pumping out buckshot while you scream "take that you inbred sack of dogsh........but I digress


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I would just smile and do that thing Dr. lecter does. That slurping/sucking sound just before it goes BOOM!!! Or maybe I might say: "Goodbye, Mr. Anderson. "

[utaherrn]

there is no spoon

[rugerdude]

^ At least not after I put 3 shells of 000 buck into it.

[Skeetin'870]

Yes it was bad shells I dont recommend reloading supersport AA's for reloads. They dont resize properly every time i put one in the mag it does not feed. I made snapcaps out of it and loaded the magazine with 7 different shells and had to take out the magazine spring and plug to get the damn things out :mad: But if you want a cheap pump you probably wont be reloading :rolleyes: It is made in America and is a dang fine shotgun.
You mean cheap mexican labor in south texas/ north north mexico

[rugerdude]

Yes, but it is within the U.S. border.