Ammo purchase question!

[22WMR]

I recently picked up two boxes of .32auto at Dunhams Sports and was shocked when the guy asked for my drivers license. Not because of checking for my age, that would be acceptable to me and I think it is required, but because he was writing all the information down! He took down everything on the license and then told me to write my senator to have the Law changed when I asked why.

Should I be asking to speak to the manager if this happens again? I have never heard/seen a law that requires this. What can I tell him/her if it is attempted again?

[VaughnT]

While laws vary from one locale to the next, I've never heard of anything like this. I've bought tons of ammo from WMart, Oschmans, Dick's, and never needed my personal info recorded.

Where does that info go? Who is privy to it? I'd definitely talk to a manager to make sure the puke behind the register doesn't have his wires crossed.

[HappyGunner]

I would be finding another place to buy my Ammo.:rolleyes:

[WESHOOT2]

You can look up Michigan law to see if this is required.
Otherwise refuse.....

[J.D.B.]

Definitely see the Mgr. about this. This is NOT MI law. I have been buying ammo here for many years and NEVER have ID'd myself. Which Dunhams? I have been to a couple and not been ID'd at all, ever. If they won't give you satisfaction, go elsewhere, but let them know why.
Josh

[Optical Serenity]

I love living in Georgia...nothing like that here.

[StormTrooper]

I too have never heard of this. I live in Texas and can buy ammo as easy as a gallon of milk and yes state specifics may vary, but if i were you I would go back to the store, ask the manager to show you that your personal info was recorded in file somewhere and retrieve it, if in fact this is against state reg's. I bet he wont be able to locate it. This sounds to me like a possible case of both anti-gun extremism as well as identity theft.

Keep an eye out.

[Gunrnr]

Hmmm, if he meant your US senator, he was obviously mistaken, as federal law does not require ID. If your state law does that's another story. In that case, ditto the others -- glad I live where I live. Bread/milk/eggs/ammo...no problem in N.M.!

[Dust_Devil]

22WMR,
I'm assumming that this is in Michigan and you were purchasing in a Dunham's Sports in Michigan. Is this correct?

Is this the first time you purchased ammo in state or at that store? If you purchased ammo in state before without showing your driver's license etc, then I would question the manager of Dunhams of what state law requires you showing your D.L. or ask him if it is just store policy which I'm thinking that is the case, unless there is really a state law and Dunhams is the only place in state you purchased ammo at that actually enforced that law.

If Dunhams is just making up their own laws then you should decide if you want to shop someplace else, order ammo through the mail or if the prices at Dunhams are decent and if you aren't totally offended by showing your ID then go ahead and shop at Dunhams.

Some Wal-Marts I go into to buy ammo ask me if I'm using the ammo in a rifle or handgun, where other Wal-Mart stores don't.

Lots of stores ask for personal information, such as Best Buy or Circuit City where they just want to have you on file as a regular customer and to send you sales info.

[Vitamin G]

There's a Dunham's in Pittsburgh that i used to browse at... I dunno about other states, but its prices were horrible on everything except what looked like refurbished or "slightly blemished" goods, which they seemed to have in abundance.

[22WMR]

I have purchased ammo elsewhere and have been asked for ID to verify age. You must be 21years to buy handgun ammunition. This is not my problem, I am more than willing to show my ID for that purpose, however, in this case the clerk wrote that information down on a piece of scrap paper. Inluded was everything listed on my drivers license.

I was told by the clerk that this "is the law" I have never heard of any such law.

[J.D.B.]

O.K., after going through the Michigan Firearm law book provided with my CPL by the state 'o Mich, all 141 pages, all I can find on ammo sales is from the "Firearms act of 328 of 1931". It states that an individual must be 18 years of age to purchase ammunition.(750.223) I see no distinction for hangun ammo here. This statute only applies to a licensed dealer. Also pertinent here is that it is an "affirmative defense" that the seller asked for and was provided a legitimate form of I.D. from the buyer, showing that he/she was at least 18 years of age. Nothing about recording and keeping the info. As an aside, did you know that in 1976, Michigan outlawed phasers? 4 year max. prison term. (750.224a). :eek: So, let Dunham's mgmt. know why you are going elsewhere, in fact, send Dunham's central control a polite e-mail to that effect.
Josh

[22WMR]

I went back and talked to the store manager and he assured me that it would not happen again and that he would be talking to the young man who apparently was "mis-informed of gun policy". I also told him that I would not be shopping their anymore and neither will any of my friends after informing them of this. He said that he was sorry that it had happend and that it was their fault, and asked that I atleast inform those who I told about the incident that it would not happen again.

[billtheshrink]

Has anyone used or aware of MIWALL and INDEPENCE brand ammo? It seems MIWALL sells new and reloads and Indepences is factory. The prices on these at outdoor marksman is exceptional. Any feedback?

Bill

[22-rimfire]

The identification requirement dates back to the 1968 Gun Control Act. Following the passage of that act, the 18 year old minimum age and identification was required for purchasing handgun ammunition. This practice was generally stopped. I believe another law was passed. Many Walmarts in my area ask for identification prior to buying ammunition. They don't record the information. They also ask if the ammunition is used for handgun or rifle and require payment for handgun ammunition at the counter in sporting goods versus mixing with other items in your cart for purchase at the normal check out areas.

[kymasabe]

My local indoor range uses Independance for most calibers. It seems to be decent, haven't had any problems with it in the last 10 boxes or so that I've fired (both 9mm and .38 special). Seems to be fairly clean burning and is brass cased in case you're reloading. Not sure if boxer or berdan primed though...I haven't looked. (you reloaders know what I'm talking about).
Accuracy was as good as Remington or CCI Blazers that the range used to use. I'd recommended it.

Another possibility is www.lancercustomammo.com

[Dogjaw]

I recently picked up two boxes of .32auto at Dunhams Sports and was shocked when the guy asked for my drivers license. Not because of checking for my age, that would be acceptable to me and I think it is required, but because he was writing all the information down! He took down everything on the license and then told me to write my senator to have the Law changed when I asked why.
It's a bunch of bull. No one has had to sign for ammo purchases in Michigan for around 3 decades. I've had ammo shipped to my house, finding it on the walk at the front door when I got home. My suspicious nature asks "what happened to that drivers license info, with home address and the known fact that you keep at the least a .32 auto there?"

[blackhawk2000]

Ok this is total BS. I just had the same thing happen to me at the Dunhams on M59 and Van Dyke, laast week. He basically wanted to copy all my DL info. Said they did it for all ammo. I was buying .223 BTW. I asked for how long? He says for over a year now. I say oh yeah, I've bought plenty from this exact store in the past year, and never had to do that. So I asked to talk to a manager. He didn't even take me to one, he told me where to find one. The manly looking female, was in the office, and also a tall husky male. They asked each other if that was policy, and neither one heard that was true, so they said he must be mistaken. The manager walked me over to the ammo, and got me what I wanted. He said he would talk to the kid. So if this is the same guy, and he did it to you before me, and supposedly was told the right way to sell ammo before me going in then it looks like we got a little anti on our hands.

[Ken O]

That was BS. In Cadillac, Michigan, the Mijers has the handgun and rifle ammo right on the shelf in the sporting goods/camping section. Just grab it off the shelf and put it in with the grocerys and check out. I havent been asked for an ID, but I'm 58 so its obvious I'm of age.

[Mikeyboy]

Wait...In two cases, the manager said this is not store policy but the kid was "mistakenly" taking down DL info...can anyone say Identity Theft?

[blackhawk2000]

So I emailed 22WMR about his location, and we are on almost opposite sides of the state. Pretty weird for this to happen only a couple of weeks apart...

[DBski]

I live in Michigan and have never been asked for ID. when buying ammo. Of course I'm 57 years old so I don't pass for a young man. I usually buy my ammo at Dick's sporting Goods, Cabela"s, Meijers or where it is on sale. This is not Michigan law. If you were paying for it by credit card, maybe he needed to make sure that your card matched your ID.

[GlocksRfun]

I bought some toilet paper from Wally World right around Halloween time. They did the same thing to me. Took DL# and name. I thought it was kinda funny. I've never heard of that for bullets before.

[blackhawk2000]

No the guy actually wanted to COPY my DL info, on a pad of paper.

[22WMR]

I forgot about this thread... I wont be going back to dunhams anymore after I went in and was asked the same fricken thing again.... I showed him my DL this time in my wallet window thing still... he looked at it and started to write it down again. I asked *** are you doing? "well, I have to write the information down. It sucks, but you should contact your state representative about it. They make the laws and I just follow em... :cool: " I told him to shove that "somewhere" and I left.

Thats ok, I can get .32 wwb at walmart anyway. I will eventually reload it, but for now walmart.

[AK Sapper]

Sounds like this clerk is either contemplating visiting the house and looking for more weapons or he's bird dogging it for someone else. The store management needs to take action on this. No telling how many other shooters have had this information taken down.

Any increases in break-ins, weapons thefts, etc?