The Schlumpy Carrier

[Wildalaska]

So for those of you who dont know, the American Yiddish word "schlump" means: "person who is sloppily or poorly dressed, careless dresser, untidy person" as in "hey check out Ken what a fat schlump he is".

Yep...my pants are baggy and I have the remnants of this mornings jelly donut attack (they are vicious creatures those jelly donuts, time for a thread, whats the best caliber against insane bloodthirsty jelly donuts, but I digress) on my shirt which apparently has shrunk since I wore it last :)...

And for this mornings carry piece? A Webley mk III in 38 S&W in a tacticool suede junk box IWB clip on holster for an N Frame Smith...I have no belt on by the way so that my pants hang like a cheap thugs and my holster is sort of semi horizontal just hanging there....

But my particular circumstances are described more as a intro rather than as a how to...leading to my point (vacuous and utterly worthless as it may be)...

How do you, as a responsible gun owner, deal with a situation presented by shlumpy old me. Lets say you are at the range, and observe this horror? Do you say something? How about the shooting buddy whose gear is so mismatched and worn poorly as to be comical? Do you try to correct him?

Inquiring minds want to know.

WildomygodheretheycomejellydonutsinthewirejellydonutsinthewirecallinairstrikesbwaaaaaaaaaaaAlaska

[mikejonestkd]

Wild,

I have a feeling that your day is about as boring as mine is at work...

IMO its the person, not the appearance.

I've seen plenty of tactical cool guys and gals with double thigh holsters ala Tomb Raider and dual HK usp's with ten mags each, wearing the latest in tactical cool fashions, matching from head to toe, probably wearing SIG underoos for all I know....and if they are nice polite people and safe then I have no issues with them whatsoever.

I apply the same standard with po' johnny and his beat up rossi in a handmade pleather holster and wallymart WWB ammo and a beatup old gym bag to carry everything home in. As long sa he is polite, and safe then I have no issues with him.

It all comes down to their character and content of their heart.

BTW I suggest glasers for jelly donuts.

[Wildalaska]

I have a feeling that your day is about as boring as mine is at work...

Hey my day is just starting ;)

Wildiwantsigunderoos!Alaska

[Garand Illusion]

For jelly donuts I have 32 enameled slugs I use against them, some HP and some pointed. With that I can literally chew a jelly donut to pieces in seconds.

What little is left I flush away about 12 hours later.

In terms of dress ... as long as my fellow shooters are dressed in some manner I could care less.

[mikejonestkd]

GI:

Nice!!!

:)

I'll check on the SIG website to find underwear for you Wild,....I hate to ask...what size? :eek:

[Fremmer]

Those schlumpy guys are usually the best hunters. Especially compared to the richie yuppie decked-out-in-Cabella's-brand-new-hunting-clothing guys.

I leave the schlumpy guys alone. They don't care, and they aren't afraid to tell you so. :D

[PJW001]

It all comes down to their character and content of their heart.

Exactly what I would say as well, packaging is secondary.

[Creature]

How do you, as a responsible gun owner, deal with a situation presented by shlumpy old me. Lets say you are at the range, and observe this horror? Do you say something? How about the shooting buddy whose gear is so mismatched and worn poorly as to be comical? Do you try to correct him?

No, I will not say anything because your appearance and how you look is your choice. I have however learned through experience never to underestimate anyone, especially based on appearance.

But, as a interesting social and possibly psychological question, a person's outward appearances is an important signaling system that instantly provides a certain amount information to others, intentionally or otherwise. How one dresses certainly affects how others interact with that person, just as personal hygiene also effects personal interaction...but at a closer distance!

[xrocket]

It doesn't matter to me what you look like or wearing on your worst hair day. What I look for at the range is how you handle that jelly donut...er gun. It's all in the gun handling as to weather I stay and shoot with you or leave.

BTW at the outdoor public ranges which I no longer utilize if possible the characters that make me leave immediately are the young macho non English speaking Latinos teaching the very young Latinas how to shoot their .25 pistolas. It is wild!

Good shooting

[Zombie Steve]

First, thank you for not including pictures of your pelvis area.
I'd have to agree that it's usually the guy who's "schlumpy" or has the beat up old .30 - 06 that is usually the better hunter / crack shot et cetera.
This might also get along the lines of "never get in a fight with an ugly person, they have nothing to lose"...

[Mannlicher]

But my particular circumstances are described more as a intro rather than as a how to...leading to my point (vacuous and utterly worthless as it may be)...How do you, as a responsible gun owner, deal with a situation presented by shlumpy old me. Lets say you are at the range, and observe this horror? Do you say something? How about the shooting buddy whose gear is so mismatched and worn poorly as to be comical? Do you try to correct him?

Inquiring minds want to know.


far be it for me to argue with you regarding the worth of your point. :D

and as to how I would deal with you in person at the range, I would probably look, grimace, and ignore. I am not judgmental regarding other's gear or appearance

[rantingredneck]

Indeed my father in law's rear end has deserted him leaving him nothing to hold his pants up with, yet he can outshoot me with a rifle any day of the week and all day Sunday. Judge not the book by the cover my friend :).

WA, I have this picture in my mind from this:

And for this mornings carry piece? A Webley mk III in 38 S&W in a tacticool suede junk box IWB clip on holster for an N Frame Smith...I have no belt on by the way so that my pants hang like a cheap thugs and my holster is sort of semi horizontal just hanging there....

...that makes me think more of you as Wildthewebleypackinjellydonuteatinplumberalaska rather than Wildthewebleypackinjellydonuteatingunsellerextraordinairealaska. That's an image I could've done without thanks :D.

[Tanzer]

Not bragging here, but I could wear Armani suits each day of the week if I wanted. I usually wear jeans with paint/ grease stains and old T-shirts because I'm a do-it-yourselfer. On the boat, I wear old shorts and the same T-shirts. Once went to look at dining room sets at a fancy store and the salesfolk avoided us because we had just been doing yardwork and didn't bother dressing up. Big mistake on their part. Happened at a car dealership also.
I have a black buddy at the range and he wears a dew-rag, but at least keeps his boxers hidden.
As stated before, noone who matters should worry about your appearence unless you purposely try to look like a thug.

[JoeBlackSpade]

Eh...

The thing that bothered me about the OP is you said "my holster is sort of semi horizontal..."

I don't care what a guy's pants look like, or how they defy gravity, but if you MUZZLE ME, because your weapon isn't secured, I'm going to ask you to "PLEASE DO NOT MUZZLE ME WITH YOUR WEAPON."

Other than that, I love hanging out with the old unshaven bright-orange-John Deere hat-wearing hunters. They know "how to skin a buck and run a trout-line, and a country boy can survive..." Back when I lived near Atlantic Beach North Carolina, I had a few "Down Easter" friends. Excellent sportsmen, funny as heck, and amazing shooters. When we weren't hunting, we'd fish, and fry them suckers up right on the spot. Good eatin'.

[JunyTuck]

Where do you conceal the Seecamp? In the belly folds with double faced tape?

[Edward429451]

How do you, as a responsible gun owner, deal with a situation presented by shlumpy old me. Lets say you are at the range, and observe this horror? Do you say something? How about the shooting buddy whose gear is so mismatched and worn poorly as to be comical? Do you try to correct him?


When I see you (those guys) at the range, I usually think that there is the real America right there. Sometimes I'll strike up a conversation, mostly to see what he's shooting and frat a bit.

When I see the young metrosexuals there I think OMG what's this country turning into. The same with gangbanger types who wear their pants around their knees.

One time a metro was having trouble with his glock and I inquired to help. He was loading the cartridges in the mag backwards so I showed him the correct way and he was all oh my goodness I can't believe I did that hee hee, just like a girl. I wanted to puke.:D

[Trip20]

A Webley mk III in 38 S&W in a tacticool suede junk box IWB clip on holster for an N Frame Smith...I have no belt on by the way so that my pants hang like a cheap thugs and my holster is sort of semi horizontal just hanging there.... <snip>

...How do you, as a responsible gun owner, deal with a situation presented by shlumpy old me.

One might harangue that you're not being the "responsible gun owner" having a firearm so poorly secured to your person.

I could care less about your personal appearance or the remnants of any sustenance left behind on your loose-fitting pants. I feel one’s hygiene is one’s own business. But I would care if your pistol fell on the floor in front of me in the Krispy Kreme check out line while you were searching for leftover jelly smeared in the knap of your pants.

As you often take issue with how others portray this community, I’m certain you can appreciate how unsafe firearm handling may be just as detrimental especially in public.

But lets not get too serious. I'm sure your post was in jest. :p

[gyp_c2]

...no...his post was in-gest...teehee...
and the Colt'sdoinjustfinethankyaverymuch...even on the horizontalwaistcarrymode...http://emoticons4u.com/smoking/rauch06.gif

[Tanzer]

Trip20 does bring up a good point. While we who answered this post vehemently deny that we would be botherd at the range, we are gun owners, and experience tells us that a "schlumpy" character is no better or worse than any of us. We would not be judgemental. BTW- I am assuming that WA is being somewhat gestful. I don't assume his gun is really lasering anyone - at least I hope not.
I stand behind my last reply about not bothering to dress up just to please others, but whether we like it or not, some people are judgemental. In the CCW arena, It can and does matter. We must check the mirror to assure that our attire properly conceals the bad boy we're carrying. We could cause quite a stir at the supermarket or the gas station if we bend down to get a pack of gum, and out pops the barrel of a .45.
You don't need to convince me, but the blue-haired old lady in line behind you may pull one of those "I'm traumatized" routines and you'll be waving your permit around saying; "no, really, I'm a good guy". That's how things are here at least.
When I got my CWP, they actually told me that they'd rather I carry regularly so it would become natural to me. I was told they had problems with people unfamiliar with the feel accidentally showing it and meeting up with cops in the parking lot of convenience stores etc (I live in a not-so-gun-friendly state).
Justified or not, there are those who will judge, and it can be a headache. Keep Captain Charlie's sig line in mind.

[Kentucky Deer Hunter]

I work in the car business (not sales, thank goodness) and I heard a story from another dealership that really got me thinking...

It was around 7:45pm one night and the dealership was closing up for the night as they close for business at 8:00pm when an old beat up pick-up truck pulled into the lot. Reluctentley(sp?) a salesperson went out to the truck and asked the man if he had any questions. The old man told the salesperson he wanted to test drive a truck (Brand New Dodge Dually $40,000 sticker price). The salesperson noticing the beat up truck and the unshaven/unclean man, said that they had already locked everything up and that he would have to come back tomorrow. Again the old man said that he wanted to drive the truck. The salesman, getting rude, said that he could not drive it, it was getting late and that he would have to come back another time. The old man reached under the passenger seat, grabbed a briefcase, opened it up and it was full of $100 bills. The old man said "Here's a tip" He handed the salesman a $100 bill and told him to never judge someone by the way they looked and drove off. He drove down the street and paid cash for the same truck at another dealership.

Personally, I would rather shoot/hunt/sit down and BS with an old country boy than a guy who has all the latest gadgets and toys. I don't have a problem with anyone who loves to shoot firearms, as long as they are safe and courteous.

However, the Sig Underoos would be cool:D

[zeroskillz]

buy him a box of ammo
:D

[ZeSpectre]

The simple fact is that people get judged on appearance. Since most of us aren't psychic then the first thing we generally have to go on is the visual cues (appearance) followed by behavioral cues.

One of the most annoying things in the world (to me) is parents who insist that we need to break away from the "blue for boys and pink for girls" thing with babies and then get huffy with you when you ask if the neutrally dressed infant in the stroller is a boy or a girl.

Hey, no -other- visual cues so how the heck are we supposed to know??? :rolleyes:

[Mr. James]

[Homer Simpson voice] Hmmmmm, reactive targets! [/Homer Simpson voice]

[Ian2005]

As long as your not holding the pistol on the side and firing "gangsta" like, I really don't care what you wear. I've also never seen any of these type of people have much accuracy whatsoever compared to my targets, and that always gives me a laff. Now if some true homies come in a clear out the 3" ring at 20 yards, then I'll mildly impressed.

As for those angry blood-thirsty jelly doughnuts, well I decided to give up fighting those as I discovered the equation: N(number) * D(Doughnuts) = B(Belt size)

[spyderdude]

I try to dress somewhat nice, but I've been wearing the same shirts and pants for years, it really doesn't matter to me. There are times I just want to wear a T-shirt and jeans, but I need to find a good IWB holster that will allow me to do that.

As for seeing someone as you describe as being poorly dressed, and carrying a gun, as long as they're not brandishing the gun, I don't care how they're dressed. They may get a quick glance from me, but as long as they're not acting suspiciously, they won't get anything else out of me. I can certainly care less how one is dressed at the range, because just about everyone there is there for one purpose... to shoot guns.

BTW: Wild, it was nice to finally meet you in person yesterday at your shop. I've taken your suggestion to just buy another 1911 rather than having my Springfield customized. Hey it's another gun in the safe right!?

[Wildalaska]

Hey it's another gun in the safe right!?

Or be a schlump, carry two! :)

WildhashiscleantshirtointodayAlaska

[Groundhog]

If you were OC and it looked like your piece was going to fall out of it's holster, I would probably politely alert you to that fact as I'm sure you wouldn't want to lose it. If it was CCW then I should never know.:D

I sort of suspect that few people, myself included, in the gun community would judge your style of dress. If I didn't know you and met you at the range the topic would not be brought up by me. If you were a friend and brought it up, I'd probably do the standard male thing and offer you all kinds of tips and advice until I thought the better of it and asked you if you were just venting.;)

Why are you concerned about your appearance though? I thought all you Alaska types looked like dough nut destroying lumberjacks or something!:p

[Wildalaska]

You guys are confusing schlumpiness with style.

Nothing can be farther apart.

Style is a young man with a baseball hat on backwards, baggy pants, unlaced shoes and a long athletic jersey....

Schlump is a guy with jelly donut on his too small T-shirt (with a silly logo), belly peeking out coyly from under, half mast fly on kahki baggy pants, mismatched socks and Haband vinyl black slip ons.

Or take me on Sunday: Baggy kahki shorts dragged down on right side due to seecamp in pocket, torn back pocket when my switchblade accidently opened, black cotton socks decorated with little embroidered sushis, one up, one down; Teva sandals, egg yolk in my beard and a Kalashnikitty T Shirt (with milkshake dribble)...topped off with a camo hat (worn goober style) with the price tags still on it.

I picked up SWMBO at work, walked into her store and she threw me out, while apologizing to the customers saying "sorry, that is my disgusting husband, don't be scared". Later it was the more serious lecture which ended up with me on my knees bowing and confessing to her that I was sorry and I am am a disgusting American etc etc, which is a mouthful in japanese needless to say.

By the way, to digress, SWMBO wants all of you male Kalshnikitty shirt wearers to know that you are either unmanly or perverts..."Why man wear Kitty-chan shirt? I know she cute with gun but Kitty-chan is woman thing. Disgusting old man not wear kitty-chan shirt, not manly, maybe you like guy who grab cutie schoolgirl butt on subway train, dirty old man. I dont understand American gun thing".

I love it :)

WildhellokalashnikittyAlaska

[Groundhog]

You guys are confusing schlumpiness with style.

Well, I suppose if it was a style then you could just alter it at your whim. Now if it's a way of life on the other hand...:rolleyes:

[ferretray]

Schlumpy is a guy who is too lazy to care for himself and his equipment.
One can find decent clothing at the Salvation Army thrift store.
We can find a holster to carry a pistol in a safe manner for a reasonable price.
It's more about attitude. You'll probably find me in jeans and boots, with a ironed shirt. The jeans have some wear but they are not torn or stained. the boots are shined. I won't need a shave or a haircut. My pistol is clean and lubed, carried in a quality holster.
I'm the guy most folks don't pay much attention to. Average middle-aged American. No firearms patches, logo's or clothing. I'll spend the money on ammo, thank you. I'd say spending my money on the firearm itself is enough of an endorsement.
I won't associate with people who give the firearms community a blackeye. By this I don't mean the average country boy. I had a friend in the Corps who was from a dirt-poor family in Arkansas. These folks lived what some would call "Close to the earth". They damn sure kept themselves as squared-away as they could, under the circumstances. It was a point of pride with them.
To me, it's about doing the best you can with what you've got. I sacrifice in other areas so I can afford the things I need to acquire my firearms and equipment, and the means to stay proficient with them. I spend money on good carry gear so as to be able to go about armed without endangering or frightening the public.

[JoeBlackSpade]

Alaska you're a funny old boy. I'd pay to read your stuff.

Do you have any articles in magazines, or anything? You'd be like the Dave Barry of the gun world. Or maybe the Larry the Cable Guy...

In any case, as I said above, I don't mind schlumpy, but I do mind lack of safety. Your weapon should be secured, and you should be highly disciplined about that aspect of it. From your post, I couldn't exactly tell if you were describing a dangling pistol or not, but it kinda' sounded like it dangles.

A person can't get killed with an untied shoelace (at least not without some serious flexibility and Chuck Norris-style practice) but a firearm that's dangling from your shorts can be dropped, or snatched in an instant. As a Marine Close Combat Instructor, I spent a whole lot of time training in weapons RETENTION- one of the least emphasized, yet most important, disciplines associated with firearms. Wear butt-crack pants if you want, or even speedos and black socks, but your weapon is a whole different matter, IMHO.


DANG! Every time I read this thread I want a jelly doughnut.

[Groundhog]

or even speedos and black socks

If you DO go this route, please post a pic. It will only enhance your internet celebrity status! :p

[JunyTuck]

Iv'e seen a couple of pics of Wild before on this forum and trust me you don't want to see him in a Speedo!! A toga or one of those lime green jump suits would be most appropriate. Larry the Cable Guy of Alaska? Pretty close!
But his keen sense of humor, coupled with his knowledge of guns, and his ability to cut to the chase w/o all the BS is enjoyed by all.

[WIN71]

Schlumpy is as Schlumpy does. It's the too cool in school, matching everything too pretty guy you got to keep an eye on. Leave dumpy schlumpy alone.

[MacGille]

WA, schlumps do't bother me, but if you are a schlemiel, or a putz I may avoid you.:D

At our range no holsters are allowed on the firing line. A matter of safety. also no loaded firearms behind the yellow line.(just at the rear of the benches.);)

Isn't it true that the Yiddish language has more insulting terms than any other?:p

[Wildalaska]

Enjoy, bubeleh

http://www.yiddishdictionaryonline.com/

WildimashmegeggeeAlaska

[Edward429451]

I think I must equate schlumpiness with blue collar working class. Ya ever see the plumber/tradesman at the end of the day?

[Wildalaska]

I think I must equate schlumpiness with blue collar working class. Ya ever see the plumber/tradesman at the end of the day?

No no thats the fruit of honest toil at the end of the day. The true shlump looks like that when he wakes up.

Sort of like the lumpy kid in high school with glasses held together with a band-aid, the tail of his shirt poking out his fly, two missed belt loops, untied Hush Puppies with worn down heels, button down shirt with the collar wings unbuttoned, ink stained pocket and a booger on his sleeve.

WildthatsmeAlaska

[Thunderhawk88]

The folks I worry about are the guy dressed in designer shorts and polo shirt, with shoes that cost as much as one of my Rugers, and the Gal with him in skin-tight pants with 3" spiked heels, out in the desert shooting custom guns.
Plain 'ol working Joe, in jeans and Teeshirt, who has to save six months for a new gun is OK with me. Hell, that's how I dress most of the time.

About 20 years ago I was repairing some equipment at the Sheriff's Department Shooting range. While getting some needed parts from my car, a nasty, beat-up, muti-colored (plus rust) Chevy van pulled into the parking lot. Four guys got out. Long hair, dirty clothes, real scuzzy looking dudes. Now I'm a bit worried.
Out of the back of the van the pull a few bags, and some heavy duty weapons...Uzis and stuff!!! Now I'm about to imitate the bird that sits in the tree above your fresh-washed car!
Then, they all hung badges around their necks....they were the Narc. officers, and when I was done fixing stuff I got to spend a while talking with them and watching the shoot.

[redblair]

I don't care what you look like. So long as you don't smell too bad and when talking to yourself you aren't using more than one voice!;)

As long as you're safe, I'm fine with what ever you want to wear.

B

[tegemu]

To some degree I share your pain. I always thought the NAVY bought high quality flightgear. However my leather flight jacket shrunk enormously after I retired. I didn't even know leather would shrink.

[JunyTuck]

Schlumpy in Texas is a guy that lives in a trailer, drinks beer from a quart bottle, and goes shirtless with cut-off jean shorts and black socks and Wal- Mart tennis shoes. He couldn't touch his toes on a bet, in fact he can't see his toes!! He claims to be a Democrat but hasn't voted in years if at all.
He smokes incessantly, and is convinced that the cancer scare is a Communist conspiracy.
Every appliance and car he has owned is in the front yard, but he has a new Bass boat, and the latest technology for his 60 " TV. Seeing Springer in Hi-Def is a priority!!

[Hemicuda]

Quote: "How do you, as a responsible gun owner, deal with a situation presented by shlumpy old me. Lets say you are at the range, and observe this horror? Do you say something? How about the shooting buddy whose gear is so mismatched and worn poorly as to be comical ? Do you try to correct him?"

I AM the "buddy whose gear is so mismatched and worn poorly as to be comical"...so... how do I answer?

[Thunderhawk88]

You guys are confusing schlumpiness with style.


Well then, damn, I've got style! :D