I had problems with an order I placed with ammoman.com on the internet.
Everything started out fine.
Then he sent me a box of ammunition via U.P.S.
He did not have U.P.S. sign for the delivery. I ordered 1000 rounds of. 223 rifle ammunition.
He sent 500 rounds of .45 pistol ammunition.
If he would of required a signature, I would of
Simply had it shipped back to Eric.
Eric also charged me twice, I only ordered 1 box. Even his purchase order shows a quantity of 1 box of 1000 rounds of .223. He claimed I got what I ordered, I did not.
Now he said he was going to get the police and UPS involved. And accuses me of a scam.
This is a long collection of the emails sent back and forth from the beginning to 10/21/2006.
So I've sent the following emails for proof
of this messed up deal.
Thank you for taking the time to read this, I do appreciate it
Dan
223 LAKE CITY SS109 GREEN TIP 223
62 GRAIN - STEEL PENETRATOR - PACKED LOOSE
1000 RDS. PER CASE
UNITED STATES GOVT. ISSUE
BRAND NEW AMMO
SINCE THIS AMMO IS PACKED LOOSE
THE DATES MAY VARY - ALL DATES IN THE 2000's
FREE SHIPPING
Part Number #223-GTSS109GT-1000
$249-1000 Rounds.
PRINT THIS FOR YOUR RECORDS!
This is your CONFIRMATION COPY of your order at AMMOMAN.COM, If you see any errors please e-mail
[email protected] IMMEDIATELY with the problem or feel free to call us at the numbers listed on the website
Once again Thank You for your ORDER..
Eric, John, Rob, Casey, Tyler, Steven, & Bambi
(The AMMOMAN TEAM)
Order Number : 8966
Placed : 10/04/2006 19:17:36 Eastern Daylight Time
US US
Code Name Quantity 1 Price/Ea. Total
---------------
223-GTSS109GT-10001000-223 LAKE CITY SS109 GREEN TIP SP 1 $249.00
Shipping: FREE SHIPPING: $0.00
Sales Tax: $0.00
----------------
Total: $249.00
I took a picture of what I got from ammoman, when I received it from UPS. Eric would not believe they sent me
500 rounds of .45 pistol ammunition. The best way to prove him wrong was to take a picture of it. He even admits it. When I first got the package he did not believe me, that is why it took 6 days. Eric finally realized I was
telling him the truth.
Email from Eric to me.
Take a picture and show us what you got with the label from us on it.
We don't believe you after 6 days of saying you never got anything.
Now tell us how you can't take a picture.
Your scams are anticipated.We are one step ahead of you and all because you claimed for 6 days to have received nothing.
Who can believe you now???????????????
Hotmail acct?
Restricted phone number?
Didn't get a thing until we called the police and now you claim it was a case of 45, you received instead?
We are starting to wonder about this scam.
----- Original Message -----
From: AMMOMAN.COM
To: Dan
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: returning Ammo I did NOT order
This is great.
We finally after 6 days got you to admit you even got what you ordered.
That's A STEP UP FROM THE SCAM THAT YOU NEVER GOT THE PACKAGE.
----- Original Message -----
From: AMMOMAN.COM
To: Dan
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: returning Ammo I did NOT order
Email from Eric to me.
You got what you ordered. I ordered 223-GTSS109GT-10001000-223 LAKE CITY SS109 GREEN TIP SP 1 $249.00, I called UPS and the Police also.
Email from me to Eric.
I DID NOT ORDER .45 A.C.P
----- Original Message -----
From: AMMOMAN.COM
To: Dan
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 5:51 AM
Subject: LAST E-MAIL AND YOU ARE NOW BLOCKED (E-MAIL ALL YOU WANT TO OUR BLOCKED FILE)
[email protected]
This is my point of view on the simple deal that
went very bad.
Dan
Eric does not do business professionally.
I wanted 1000 rounds of .223 rifle ammunition.
He sent me 500 rounds of .45 ACP. pistol ammunition.
Then he is trying to charge me twice for the original of .223 that I never received.
He can't prove he sent me what I ordered 1000 rounds of .223 rifle ammunition.
I want NOTHING MORE TO DO WITH HIM!
I spoke to UPS and in order for me to send the .45 A.C.P. back
to Eric I need a return authorization number. He would not give me.
UPS said Eric didn't require UPS to get a signature for it.
I do NOT need to pay to have it sent back to you. I need an authorization number
from you Eric!
I never ordered .45 ACP and Eric can't prove That I did.
Eric never sent ANY .223 ammunition and can't prove that he did.
I don't know if Eric even knew what he sent me, and Where he sent it.
My view of the scam he accused me of.
Dan.
In my opinion- people order ammunition off his website Ammoman.com
Then he charges them 2 times. Then he sends whatever he wants to the customer.
After he gets his money. The customer calls and complains about the double charges.
He claims he will fix it, he don't.
Then the customer calls and complains.
Not only did Eric send the wrong ammunition it was only 500 rounds.
Then he threatens the buyer with police reports, and UPS reports.
Claiming he can make it so UPS will not deliver to me again.
At that point UPS is at fault or I'm running a scam "In Eric's mind".
Next he accuses me of a scam.
For this scam to work.
I would have to order 1 box of 1000 rounds of .223 rifle rounds. Hoping to get charged twice?
Hoping that I get something I did not order or want. I have nothing to gain by doing this.
To top it off it was only 500 rounds of Wolf .45 A.C.P pistol ammunition. For a dollar a round! Why would I run a scam like that?
So Eric at ammoman would get my $498.00, and I would end up with
$100.00 worth of ammunition? That would make NO sense at all...
Email from me to Eric.
I see no need for your attitude. Take a second and look at this from my point of view.
I'd like to see the purchase I made and your people screwed up simply fixed.
And I do stress your people screwed up. Please deal with me in a professional manner and respond. If you don't I'll just wait for the police and cancel the 2 transactions of $248.00.
I did not want it to come to this, the choice is yours ERIC.
I can't believe this is not US mail fraud. Or legal for that matter. I want my fellow firearm owners to know something.
I'm not trying to change a law about signing for ammunition.
I feel very strongly about laws that slowly chip away at "the right to bear arms" away from law abiding people.
For example the bayonet lug law.
I don't believe that law was put into place because of too many
drive by bayoneting. It was simply one more law that made it
more of a pain.
If laws like that were to continue. Slowly but surely our right to bear arms
would be in jeopardy.
I don't want that...
I just feel that Eric (ammoman.com)
uses this as a way to place the blame for his mistakes,
and crapy way of doing business on the customer.
Eric tells me the customer you got what you ordered!!!
And claiming the customer (me) in this case, for running a scam.
I have stated that this so called "scam" of mine would only work in Eric's favor.
Just a coincidence! I don't think so.
It gives Eric at ammoman a way to send what ever he wants
to. Even if it's NOT what he advertises. That is usually in Eric's favor.
When confronted by the customer. He will threaten you with police reports. He even told me he would file a report with UPS.
And then UPS would never deliver to me again.
That my friends is a powerful scare tactic of Eric's.
I'm sure a majority of the people simply think "it's just not worth it"
So he gets away with it. And some poor customer gets burned.
I just want future customers to use caution when purchasing
from him. I wish I would have seen something like this posted
when I bought from him. I would not have taken the chance.