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expeditionx · February 7, 2006, 08:13 PM

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This letter clearifies that the ATF considers the Thumbhole stock to include a pistol grip.

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A MAK-90 style rifle having a thumbhole style stock with a pistol grip

MAK 90 stocks have a built in pistol grip near the trigger. The ATF defining the thumbhole stock as a pistol grip clearifies why the thumbhole stock is no longer imported on many semiauto rifles. Instead, montecarlo stocks are used.
This would mean adding a thumbhole/draganov stock to a rifle that was not imported as such would be illegal because of import law.
Thus, adding a thumbhole/draganov to a AK, sks, or any imported rifle that wasnt imported with a thumbhole is now illegal.
Since 1998 imported rifles have not been allowed with thumbhole stocks and detachable magazines over 10 rounds. Since then (1998) modifying a foreign rifle into an non-importable configuration is illegal unless you remove enough specific ATF listed parts.
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MAK 90 came after 89-90 law enactment. MAK 90 in its original configuration is legal with the thumbhole. Between 1990 and 1998 the thumbhole wasnt an issue. Between 1990 and 1998 a weapon that could use a magazine over 10 rounds wasnt an issue. As of 1994, the magazines over 10 rounds that were made after the 1994 AWB enactment could not be introduced on U.S. soil, but this didnt mean newly imported guns couldnt utilize the old pre-1994-ban magazines. By 1998: no foreign semis that have a bayonette, pistol grip, folding stock, and other non-importable features. Then in 1998 a new import restriction, newly imported semis couldnt have the ability to accept magazines larger than 10 rounds. This restriction still stands for imports not domestic semis. The letter implies that if you have a MAK90 in original configuration it is fine. However, if you add a pistol grip without reducing enough foreign parts it becomes non-compliant and confiscatable.
Assembling is defined as reconfiguring/modification (like adding a pistol grip). Even a pre-1989 rifle must stay like it was before the ban because if when you reconfigure your assembling a new rifle and therefore no longer protected by grandfathering. Preban (before 1990) weapons are not magically exempt from 922 if you reconfigure them.

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February 7, 2006, 08:13 PM	#9
expeditionx Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 2004 Posts: 330	http://www.soupbowl.kalashnikov.guns.ru/Page10.html This letter clearifies that the ATF considers the Thumbhole stock to include a pistol grip. Quote: A MAK-90 style rifle having a thumbhole style stock with a pistol grip MAK 90 stocks have a built in pistol grip near the trigger. The ATF defining the thumbhole stock as a pistol grip clearifies why the thumbhole stock is no longer imported on many semiauto rifles. Instead, montecarlo stocks are used. This would mean adding a thumbhole/draganov stock to a rifle that was not imported as such would be illegal because of import law. Thus, adding a thumbhole/draganov to a AK, sks, or any imported rifle that wasnt imported with a thumbhole is now illegal. Since 1998 imported rifles have not been allowed with thumbhole stocks and detachable magazines over 10 rounds. Since then (1998) modifying a foreign rifle into an non-importable configuration is illegal unless you remove enough specific ATF listed parts. ------------------------------------------------------------- MAK 90 came after 89-90 law enactment. MAK 90 in its original configuration is legal with the thumbhole. Between 1990 and 1998 the thumbhole wasnt an issue. Between 1990 and 1998 a weapon that could use a magazine over 10 rounds wasnt an issue. As of 1994, the magazines over 10 rounds that were made after the 1994 AWB enactment could not be introduced on U.S. soil, but this didnt mean newly imported guns couldnt utilize the old pre-1994-ban magazines. By 1998: no foreign semis that have a bayonette, pistol grip, folding stock, and other non-importable features. Then in 1998 a new import restriction, newly imported semis couldnt have the ability to accept magazines larger than 10 rounds. This restriction still stands for imports not domestic semis. The letter implies that if you have a MAK90 in original configuration it is fine. However, if you add a pistol grip without reducing enough foreign parts it becomes non-compliant and confiscatable. Assembling is defined as reconfiguring/modification (like adding a pistol grip). Even a pre-1989 rifle must stay like it was before the ban because if when you reconfigure your assembling a new rifle and therefore no longer protected by grandfathering. Preban (before 1990) weapons are not magically exempt from 922 if you reconfigure them. http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=198804 Last edited by expeditionx; February 8, 2006 at 10:40 PM.