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Old January 7, 2010, 06:43 PM   #3
azredhawk44
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Forgot about tube mags.

We have very specific line commands to keep everyone safe. One of them is "Do not load until given the load command."

Shooters may "prep" magazines at any time, meaning they can have a full magazine in their hands... they just can't stick it in the receiver of the rifle until they hear "LOAD!"

So, when we shout "LOAD!" then the line is rattling with mag insertions and bolts slamming shut. Except the guy with the tube mag, who's inserting them one at a time.

A couple work-arounds:

Ever hear of a Spee-D-Loader? It's a magazine charger for model 60's and Remington nylons.

Another option is McDonalds and Wendy's straws. Any fast food straw that is really thick, like for a milkshake. These will hold 8 or 10 cartridges, IIRC. Then you can dump them in to the mag tube quickly all at once.

But... the model 60 and other tube mags don't allow for the shooter to do a magazine change as some of the stages of the AQT require. For instance, stage 2 has you shooting 2 rounds, going empty, then reloading with 8 rounds, with a net effect of 5 rounds per target, in 55 seconds.

Marlin 60's are tricky for this for two reasons:
-You've gotta eject that mag plunger to reload 8 quickly, and it has to come all the way out to use a Spee-D-Loader or straw;
-You have your hand in front of the muzzle on a live firing line.
-Even if you bring the muzzle back behind the firing line, there's 20+ other people even with the firing line and you just brought an uncleared rifle behind them, pointed downrange. Unsafe.

So, we have Marlin 60 and similar shooters load 11 into the tube and manually eject 1 round in order to deliberately break shooting position like a magazine change would cause.

There's other trades/checks/balances involved with tube mags that you could start an entire internet forum war over, but I think I covered the basics of it from an Appleseed perspective.

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