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Old April 8, 2002, 04:58 PM   #12
nbk2000
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I took vesuvius's post to mean getting the basic training of how to safely handle a firearm. That I've already been through and am very familiar and practiced in.

I would certainly get training in the drawing, presentation, and tactics of a pistol before I began carrying one. Especially in the operation of my choosen weapon since I haven't used a pistol in years.

This training would be taking place during the practice carry phase.

I would certainly think that anyone contemplating practicing for months with a fake gun would be the kind of person who takes practice seriously.

As for when to use one, I think my previous postings show that I'm NOT a cowboy and will retreat when at all possible. Last thing I want to have to do is kill someone if I can get away without doing so. But I am not adverse to killing if needed.

I've researched for substitutes and am familiar with the use of "red" guns for firearms training. However, thanks to some criminals painting their guns in bright neon colors in hopes of causing momentary confusion in police officers (thanks to the stupid toy manufacturers), if a cop saw a yellow, orange, red, etc object that otherwise looked like a real gun, I'm just as likely to be drawn down on.

I wish to avoid ANY possible confusion with a real gun as much as possible.

The porn is, admittedly, a bit OTP, but I can't think of anything else that (if seen) would stimulate a noticeable reaction from others in public, besides maybe drugs or body parts.

In certain states, like California, getting caught with a realistic simulated firearm is punishable by the same time as a real gun, if you're carrying it while committing a felony.

And guess what? Carrying a BB gun or blank firing weapon into a courthouse or federal building is a felony.

Not to say that you would deliberately carry one into such places, but the idea is to practice your concealed carry as a day-to-day thing. And if you do it for months, you may forget that you're wearing it (like I do with my leatherman) and walk through the metal detector at the courthouse.

I CERTAINLY wouldn't want to try pulling out a "real" gun at such a place. The moment you cleared, you'd probably be shot a dozen times before you hit the ground.

Even if you didn't get shot, you'll be arrested and charged for possessing a weapon in a prohibited area. Try explaining that you're practicing with a realistic firearms for illegal concealed carry into a federal court, and see how well that's received.

Carrying your gun around in your house doesn't constitute any kind of realistic practice. After all, I'm not worried about being spotted carrying in my own home. It's the streets I'm worried about.

Bending over to pick up a can at the grocery store, changing at the gym, pumping gas at the station, riding the bus, etc. etc. is where I'd have to worry about being "made".

Only after I've been successful for several months without being made would I then feel comfortable carrying for real. Because being nervous while carrying is a sure way of drawing attention to yourself.

As far as I've been able to tell from examination of the Penal Code, practicing for concealed carry isn't a crime, only the actual carrying of a weapon concealed is.

Though I'm sure any DA worth his salt could, if pressed, find something to charge you with, but I doubt it would get you convicted by a jury if he took it that far.

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I would not practice carrying concealed. More trouble than it is worth.


I guess your freedom isn't worth much to you then.

"Good enough" is what gets people in trouble. No matter how long one has been practicing a skill, you must always strive for better. As the saying goes "Sometimes the teacher, always the student".

If anyone has any suggestions for something that could be used instead of a psuedo-gun to achieve the same purpose, I'm eager to hear it.

Rocko357, you one funny guy.
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