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Are either of these guns suitable for pocket carry - say, in a light weight jacket or the pockets of loose fitting shorts?
(No thread hijack intended here - LH2, I hope you don't mind the question!)
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...arms...discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. ...Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law abiding) deprived the use of them. --Thomas Paine
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