March 6, 2008, 07:49 PM | #1 |
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Der Karabiner 98K
I purchased a Mitchell's Mausers Collector Grade 98K Today! It is not an M48 but a real 98K built in the Mauser Factory at Obendorf during 1943. It has matching numbers and proper markings all around. Plus, it looks as good as the one on their website! Anyone else here have one or any opinions on this rifle? I'll post some pictures of it when I can get the time and lighting to take them.
Mitchell's Stock Photo EDIT: HERE'S SOME PICTURES OF IT:
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Congrats on your new acquisition!
My byf 43 98k isn't as pretty, but that's to be expected with one that came to the US in a GI dufflebag.
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Tamara ... tell me you know better about Mitchells Mausers.
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March 6, 2008, 10:43 PM | #4 |
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OK, I'll bite. I've read several similar comments. What's wrong with 'em?
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March 6, 2008, 10:47 PM | #5 |
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To begin with they are over priced. I can not deny it appears to be a nice rifle, but they are over priced when bought from Mitchels
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If they sell, then they're not overpriced. Shoot it and enjoy.
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We had a recent thread about this where the issue of Mitchells was well addressed by a fellow member and collector ... try this and read from page two onwards.
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...Mausers&page=2 Or just read this ... Quote:
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Thanks for the feed back guys...I should have mentioned that I knew they were Russian Captured rifles. I just wanted a clean rifle without doing the work myself. I paid $395 for it and at that price am happy. I looked through a pile of russian captures at the last fun show but nothing excited me due to the "look" I like the "look" of this Mauser and feel I paid around $150 for the refinishing sounds fair I think. Around here a "Good" Russian Capture runs $230 from J&G Sales. I don't have the time or patience to refinish rifles with two young kids etc etc.
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JpWilly, Im the guy who wrote that lengthy rant about Mitchells that TikiRocker has quoted. That long "rant" was brought on by a member who was being somewhat difficult and mouthy (IMHO) towards other members and myself, about a subject he obviously knew little to nothing about.
If, however, you allow me to humbly submit my opinion on your rifle, ill tell you this..... If all you wanted was a K98 regardless of price, orginality, or potential value well, congratulations, thats what you got. A real deal K98 made and carried during WWII, that looks pretty damn sharp. And will just leave it at that. If, however, you were looking for something a bit more, or you are concerned with price, orginality, or value, then feel free to read through the thread that Tikirocker pasted in his post or just PM me and Ill give you my opinion on Mitchells. |
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Tikirocker,
Every time Mitchell's refinishes a Russkie capture 98k, my un-refinished one gets more valuable.
I'll say this for them; not everyone has the time or knowledge to crawl the aisles at a gun show with a bore light and a field gauge, looking for a bargain on an intact 98k. Some people just want a gun that looks purty, that they can take out and shoot, and if something's wrong with it they want to be able to call a phone number and complain and get it made right. To a cruffler, Mitchell's is somewhere between a joke and the Antichrist; to Joe Averageshooter who just wants a gun he can shoot like the one he saw on Saving Private Ryan, maybe they're not as evil. |
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Tamara,
I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and allow for the fact that they might just like something authentic if only they were supplied with the information to know better from the outset. If after the fact they still choose to go for the likes of Mitchells et al then that's their own deal.
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To each his own, and all that...
Some people restore old cars to original condition, with AM radios, fussy carburettors, 6-volt electrical systems and all, and others are happy with the look and feel of the classic car with a few "modern" enhancements. Some folks want to polish and show, and others just want to drive.
I prefer my rifles all original and love them for their history. My next-door neighbor back where I used to live was always re-barreling some old Vz.24 or M48 for .308 or .30-'06. I thought it was kinda blasphemous, but they were his guns and his money. (Besides, I have a hard time getting all misty-eyed over an M48 anyway.) It's still a free country (mostly). Now I'm going to go pet my Erfurt Kar.98AZ and tell it not to worry; it will never be "restored". |
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Screw 98Ks, boring dime a dozens, try to find a nice Gew 98 or even harder, a Kar 98...
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You do that ... and I'll pet my 660/Steyr 1939 K98 Kriegsmarine 1 of the first 1000 K98's ever built by Steyr.
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As always you guys are great...right on the money too. You haven't said anything that isn't true! And I apprecieate the honest answers regarding the Mauser. And yes for better or for worse I wanted a "clean" example that looked like it came from the movie set of Saving Private Ryan. To some that's just wrong but not to me. What's the difference if I buy a crappy Russian remake or one that obviously was done much better??? A remake is a remake I'd rather it be "purdy". To me at least one close example of how a rifle appeared when issued is more impressive to show a non cruffler etc than the ones in the safe with all their history intact. Same anology as the old muscle car restored vs unrestored.
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I hear ya JpWilly, The beef most of us snob collectors have is with Mitchells themselves. While we dont want/like refurbed guns for obvious reasons, Im not going to knock a guy for spending his hard earned cash on one as long as he knows what he his getting.
Like I said, our beef is with Mitchells. While youre an exception, I've met plenty of guys who were wanting to become collectors or had just started collecting. Unfortunatley, Mitchells misled them down the wrong path and duped many of them into buying something that wasnt quite as "advertised". |
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Hmmm... Thinking, thinking...
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Me thinks that Darren007 is correct...very well said, hope you enjoy your rifle jpwilly.
I see the argument from both sides, but the snotty collectors are starting to get way, way carried away. They now condemn the action of cleaning off the soviet smudge on RC's, saying that is blasphemous. That the soviet captures are a history unto themselves, to me that is bunk! Anyone that thinks that the slathered on shellac, mismatched serial #'s, and encrusted in cosmoline is more valueable than a nice, clean, safe, re-furbished RC based on history, must think that a scavanger in a junk pile adds value to trash someone has thown out. jpwilly, if you bought because you wanted a sense of nostolgia and for wanting to shoot with it, I am sure you didn't go wrong. The MM's are fine shooting rifles. If you are a purist, then the MM's are not for you. I think the marketing by MM follows pretty close to the carnival hawker and that is where the stigma comes in. Me, I just started collecting Mausers, so first they have to have good bores, then I'll worry about correct lineage. |
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Very nice Old Time Hunter. And I couldnt agree with you more about Russain Captures. I've bought a few myself and, sorry, the shellac is the first thing to go. Anybody who claims that taking that crap off "ruins" historical value needs to have their headchecked. Cleaning a collectable is not a refurbishment, and, although you can take it too far, IMO should always be done.
I do consider myself to be one of those "elitist/snobby" collectors but Im not as bad as most. Some wont even spit in the general direction of a RC or even consider them to be worth more than firewood. And I have to admit, when RCs first appeared on the scene I was one of them. However, there is no denying their value in knowledge. Serial# ranges have been expanded, new/different manufacturers markings appeared that were previously unknown, and so forth. Last edited by Darren007; March 7, 2008 at 09:58 PM. |
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Added some new pictures to look at up top in the original post.
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