Glock vs M&P vs XD old debate....new listener

[Skans]

Yikes! Those pictures of the M&P weren't what I expected. When you guys said there was some rust on your slide, I figured I was going to see a couple of microscopic dots of very light rust. Not that!

[protectedbyglock]

I know, Skans, you can about imagine how I felt... Almost new gun all rusty like that after 5 carries and 1 firing! Crazy.

Danzig, right on. Not that i expect anything.....

AKR, I beg to differ with you on that "any gun will rust" statement. I own three glocks and have never seen any rust on them. You can beat them pretty good (and I have), barely clean them at all, and they will look as good as new every time you take them out. MY XD9 and MY M&P can't handle this at all. They have to be cleaned every time I look at them.
Also, I would think that if a gun is high quality stainless, it shouldn't rust if not taken care of quite as well as a standard steel.
I agree with taking care of your guns, though, don't get me wrong. However, this M&P rust issue (and XD rust issue for that matter) shouldn't have happened.

I certainly don't expect this from a gun that's supposed to be a "military and police" or "extreme duty" weapon. Just my $.02.
I think I'm gonna call both Springfield and Smith and see what they think. It should at least be interesting to see how each responds.

[_W_]

AKR, I beg to differ with you on that "any gun will rust" statement. I own three glocks and have never seen any rust on them. You can beat them pretty good (and I have), barely clean them at all, and they will look as good as new every time you take them out. MY XD9 and MY M&P can't handle this at all. They have to be cleaned every time I look at them.

any gun will rust unless you have a ceramic glock

[scorpiusdeus]

I just did a search and found more pictures of rusty Glocks. I won't bother anyone with them as we all know that any gun can rust no matter what the Glock Borg tell you. We could all sit here and post pictures of exploding Glocks, Glock slides that failed salt spray test ect. In the end, ALL GUNS WILL RUST IF ABUSED OR NEGLECTED ENOUGH.

What it really boils down to is what you shoot best. Take care of your weapon and it will take care of you.

All the mentioned guns are form reputable manufacturers, not a one of them can claim to have never rusted or fail for whatever reason. Glock Perfection is a myth, but that doesn't mean they aren't good.

[akr]

PBG---
The polymer on your Glocks won't rust.

[dosjoel]

The right 9 for me may not be the right 9 for you.

Given your perameters there will be several, I think, that would fit. I have owned the P239 and the XD. But the feel just was not there. I avoided Glocks like the plague for a long time because I owned a G21 that I really did not like. But then I got a G19 new at a show for $450 + tax and love it.

No, it is not as accurate as my 1911's. But it is way better than everything else. It shoots tight but not perfect groups. Has never ever failed. Best gun for the money - FOR ME. Because I like the feel and the balance and the way it shoots. You may not. I have gone thru a lot of guns listening to others and studying. I liked the XD on paper but when I bought it we never really clicked so I got rid of it.

The one very important thing about a Glock is this. No matter what they claim - it does not have a safety per se. you pull the trigger, it shoots. Period. No long pull like your P239 decocked. It is almost a single action feel. Therfore, I do not trust the gun, ever, unless it is holstered and the trigger protected. Now if you carry w/o a round in the chamber, that is one thing. But to me that defeats the purpose.

My G26 is a little bitty thing and I love it too.

Jorel

[Tuttle8]

There's always a Glock vs this or that thread. That tells you something about the Glocks right there. They kick butt. When will these threads end?

Hmmmm. After reading your post I wondered the same thing...

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=296009

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=284840

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=291194

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=321450

And I wonder who the Op is on those threads...

[Tuttle8]

Originally Posted by scorpiusdeus

I just did a search and found more pictures of rusty Glocks. I won't bother anyone with them as we all know that any gun can rust no matter what the Glock Borg tell you. We could all sit here and post pictures of exploding Glocks, Glock slides that failed salt spray test ect. In the end, ALL GUNS WILL RUST IF ABUSED OR NEGLECTED ENOUGH.What it really boils down to is what you shoot best. Take care of your weapon and it will take care of you.
All the mentioned guns are form reputable manufacturers, not a one of them can claim to have never rusted or fail for whatever reason. Glock Perfection is a myth, but that doesn't mean they aren't good.

I've long gotten tired of trying to convey what you so eloquently posted. I found it's of no use and let the sleeping dog lie...to a certain extent. Good post, Scorpiusdeus.

[akr]

LOL. We are as protective of our guns as we are our women....maybe more so. LOL.

[Wheel-Gunner]

**SIGH** I suppose Glock guys just will not give up.

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/rusty-t...-got-rust.html


Just because you find a Glock to be superior doesn't mean they absolutely are or that everyone else should find them to be superior as well. Get what you like!! All guns have their own pro's and con's. No gun is absolutely perfect.

[protectedbyglock]

Ahem....all my glock boxes say "perfection" right on the side of them. It's so easy!
I'm certainly not saying that a glock won't rust if the finish comes off. Well, MAYBE if the finish comes off. They're made of some super space metal, you know.(those pics are soooo fake)
All I know is that I own several glocks, and also an M&P9C and a Springfield XD9. None of my glocks has ever even had a speck of rust, cleaned or not. However, my brand new M&P9 rusted all to hell just sitting in the safe. Same with the XD9. However, I've abused the glocks way more. If it were the other way around with either of the others, I would have said so.
Apparently, my glocks have spoiled me. I just figured that I could get away with a quick wipe on the other two, and I could stick them back in the safe with the others. Didn't work out. I now have to clean them extensively whenever I touch them. Not tractor box worthy in MY experience.

Now, the big question is why so many people can't just admit how superior the glocks really are!

[ddhartzell]

geez fellas, I always thought glocks were made of PVC

I guess the only way to really end the debate it to by both, carry and abuse both at the exact same time to the exact same extent.

Well if my new XD just happens to fall apart in my hands, I will have to give a Glock then next chance to make me a believer.

[hillbillyshooter]

Have had Glocks, they never rusted, but now go with the M&P. I love the M&P but would carry a Glock in a heartbeat. Dad carries the XD9 sub.

[protectedbyglock]

ddhartzell, I doubt you'll have any problems with your XD. If you do happen to see some rust, though, by all means let us know.

The only problem I've seen with my xd9 functionally is when my fiancee shoots it, she tends to limp-wrist it (or did). It would FTF or FTE every 5 or so rounds. I would rip through clip after clip with no problems, though. So weird. I've actually heard people say that limp-wristing won't cause failures, but it most certainly will. Not really a "function" problem though, per se...
Really a great gun. Makes sense.....it's modeled after the glock....

[akr]

If you do happen to see some rust, though, by all means let us know.

No, please don't let us know.

[JohnH1963]

The frustrating part about owning a Glock or any plastic pistol is learning that the groups you shoot on paper are not all that tight. I know, I know. A pistol doesnt have to shoot tight groups to be a good combat pistol. However, its not like I am going into combat. I spend my time at a range shooting nice holes into a piece of paper.

Glocks are not all that accurate and so I find myself having a little bit lesser of a time shooting nice holes into paper. Who knew that a guy would spend so much cash for the enjoyment of shooting a loud stick off to get delighted from seeing some holes in a piece of paper. Yes, its true.

So make mine something besides a Glock or an XD. Im certain they will get the self-defense job done, but I really need mine for shooting nice patterns in oversize sheets of paper. Thats the simple truth.

[dp509]

For me, The XD did not do it. I sold the XD-9 for a Glock 19 .

I can shoot great groups with the Glock and could not with the XD.

Go figure

Each to his own

I had a friend who had the M & P 9. He liked it.

I did not

I have always gone back to the Glock. I have decided to stay with what works for me. GLOCK 19.

Plus, it gets expensive when you start buying holsters, mag pouches and related gear...............

[protectedbyglock]

I usually set up about 10-13 clay birds all around my woodpile, and stand 25yrds back. I can quickly and easily go 13 for 13 with my glocks 99% of the time. It's enough to impress my ladyfriend, at least. However, I can do it almost as well with the XD. I'm sure that given some time with the XD, I'd be just as proficient with it.
My M&P is a different story. In the M&P's defense, though, it is a compact and I've only taken it out once, so I'm sure it's my fault. I was talking to an officer who's group switched to the M&P and he was saying that several guys were improving their scores with the Smith, and he thinks it may have something to do with the ability to change backstraps. Possible, I guess.

I don't think any of the three are a bad choice. It will come down to preference and how well you can do with them. For me, I prefer glocks.
However, this weekend it's all about my new springer 1911. Will I fall in love? It's stainless, that should help....

[rzach]

try one of these SW9VE i use one in my boat in saltwater in fl no rust.

[GlockGuy1970]

Glock 19