Wow S&W blew up - Page 3

TheNev · October 31, 2009, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by bcarver

and thenev...you guys are too funny.

It's true though

Daryl · October 31, 2009, 07:06 AM

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I have never reloaded but it seems it's just like ridding a motorcycle. No matter how careful you are sooner or later there will be an incident involving a reload. BTW, there are two types of riders: those that have fallen from their bikes and those that will.

Maromero, you're wrong on that; 100%.

Yes, there are reloaders who don't know what they're doing. There are reloaders who know what they're doing, but make mistakes.

Repetition causes mistakes, so a handloader should get their reloading "process" down to a system of checks and balances to insure any mistakes are spotted and corrected before the next step is started.

In 33 years of handloading, I've made a few mistakes. I'll admit that it's going to happen to everyone. The thing is, I caught those mistakes before I moved on to the next step, and was able to correct it before it went from being a "mistake" to being a "problem".

I can't predict the future, and can't say that I'll never blow up a gun, but it's doubtful. I've loaded thousands upon thousands of rounds of ammo, and have never had a problem. The "process" I use utilizes checks and balances for each step before I move to the next, so it's pretty safe.

If someone isn't as meticulous as they should be, who knows? A person needs to realize that mistakes will happen, and take steps to insure that any mistakes are corrected before continuing. It really is as simple as that, and every experienced handloader I know does it.

Daryl

Suwannee Tim · October 31, 2009, 07:52 AM

Couldn't have said it better than Daryl.

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Trying to find your eyeballs after a
massive multicylinder kaboom................priceless

Surprisingly these accidents seem to cause few injuries, I have never heard of one. Evidently the shrapnel flies up, not towards bystanders. This yet another example of why I wear eye protection on the range.

Double Naught Spy · October 31, 2009, 09:13 AM

Really? Never heard of an injury from catastrophic failures? Never from reload catastrophic failures?

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show...php?p=14013697
http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/general...ppens-you.html
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=947923
http://ridgecrest.blogspot.com/
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...veseven+kaboom
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=
http://www.chrisbyrne.com/images/gun...jpg&imgrefurl=
http://anarchangel.blogspot.com/2006...HPIZSOMejArIIM see May 4, 2006
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...aboom+injuries
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...aboom+injuries
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...aboom+injuries

Just look at all the facial injuries and those who are thankful about wearing safety glasses.

Ricky · October 31, 2009, 09:34 AM

The broken cylinder looks like it's cast metal.

Hammer It · October 31, 2009, 09:57 AM

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I thought S&W only used milled steel parts?

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The broken cylinder looks like it's cast metal.

Hello Ricky
They do Forge and Mill all their Frames and cylinders, They are Not Cast metal.

The Raw Forgings are sent to what they call a Coining Process. This is a huge machine where the operator holds the forged Parts and it Beats the Metal to close the Grain structure. When he is done with the Parts, They are returned to Forging and heat treated to a controled Temperature and allowed to cool slowly. The cylinders are Placed in an Oven as well and Heat treated and quenced in oil to cool. I took a factory tour last year at S&W and it is amazing to see how they Make a revolver through all the steps of forging, Coining, Heat treating. Milling and finishing Polishing... Regards, Hammer It

44Magnum · October 31, 2009, 10:00 AM

That one looks more like an over torqued barrel than a hot load.

abber · October 31, 2009, 12:05 PM

I could load ammo that would blow up ANY manufacturers gun. So? Just a testimony to the human factors at play in handloading ammo, IMHO. Check, double-check, and triple-check every single thing you do at that bench!

Suwannee Tim · October 31, 2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally posted by Double Naught Spy: Really? Never heard of an injury from catastrophic failures? Never from reload catastrophic failures?

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Surprisingly these accidents seem to cause few injuries, I have never heard of one......

Yes really. Considering that we are talking about revolvers here and most of the examples you cite are not revolvers and/or involve minor injuries I stand by what I said and await your apology for your snarky remark. Read son, read, think, think a little more, then react. You will make yourself look foolish less often that way.

Deaf Smith · October 31, 2009, 09:50 PM

I've seen Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 magnums with their top strap blown off like the first photo. Seen Smith .38s to. All from reloads that were not correct. Usually a double charge or the wrong powder.

Since all handguns use high pressure gas to throw the slug then all of them, no matter who makes them, can blow up if the wrong powder/bullet weight is used. ALL OF THEM.

Just remember when you touch off a round that in reality you are making a controlled explosion. One mistake and it can become an uncontrolled explosion!

vikz · October 31, 2009, 10:05 PM

I had a kaboom 1st time i reloaded for my 1911's, luckily only the mag and the grips got messed-up, it was a double or 3 charge i think

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Double Naught Spy · October 31, 2009, 11:02 PM

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Considering that we are talking about revolvers here and most of the examples you cite are not revolvers and/or involve minor injuries I stand by what I said and await your apology for your snarky remark. Read son, read, think, think a little more, then react. You will make yourself look foolish less often that way.

Most, but not all. Take your own advice, son. Now you have heard of some that do involve revolvers and injuries.

sakeneko · November 1, 2009, 12:20 AM

+1 for S&W or Ruger
+1 for having the sense God gave a *rock* and not shooting unvetted reloads

<wry grin>

madcratebuilder · November 1, 2009, 06:54 AM

It's funny how so many equate size with strength. Bigger is not always stronger. I also find it funny that so many have to push the envelope on loading. What's the point? The S&W at the beginning of this thread belongs to a guy that was had TWO revolvers come apart on him from what I have read. That tells me something right their.

You can break anything.

Suwannee Tim · November 1, 2009, 07:01 AM

I have avoided this nonsense by a simple plan:

If I have a 44 Magnum but want 454 energy I buy a 454. I don't try to do it with the 44.

RJM · November 1, 2009, 08:21 AM

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I have avoided this nonsense by a simple plan:

If I have a 44 Magnum but want 454 energy I buy a 454. I don't try to do it with the 44.

Good plan!

I also don't drink while reloading, watch tv while reloading or do anything else that would take my concentration from reloading.

Hammer It · November 1, 2009, 08:31 AM

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Good plan!

I also don't drink while reloading, watch tv while reloading or do anything else that would take my concentration from reloading.

Hello RJM
" Now, That's Funny, I don't Care who ya are" I think it is safe to say that Other reloaders follow your Prescription of reloading Focus as well as seen in Madcratebuilders response and Pictures above..

Hammer It

SaberOne · November 1, 2009, 09:29 AM

Hmm let’s see, faulty manufacturing or drunken reloader… Personally, I have no desire to ever use reloads from anyone. There are plenty of over-the-counter options out there to experiment with. However, this thread is excellent in reinforcing the need to use safety glasses on the range which admittedly, I sometimes haven't. Talk about a solid wake-up call.
Regards,

22-rimfire · November 1, 2009, 11:08 AM

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If I have a 44 Magnum but want 454 energy I buy a 454. I don't try to do it with the 44.

Tis the way I feel about it. But I have little interest in wildcat loads. In terms of factory loads, they are powerful enough. The reverse is also true for me as well. But then, I like the 41 mag better than either the 44 mag or 45LC. Tis big enough and if I want more power, I shoot my 480 Ruger.

Those pictures of blown up revolvers frighten me. I don't want injured by some hot load blowing up my gun just for the sake of trying to wring out the most power out of a cartridge in a particular firearm. I value my eyes and other body parts too much.

In terms of reloading, pay attention. Don't start any step in the process and not complete it. Safer to weigh out every powder charge individually. Label the ammo as to load data and any restrictions like "Freedom Arms or Ruger only" ammo. But I know, we all get busy or lazy, and that is how mistakes are made.

kmrcstintn · November 1, 2009, 02:24 PM

on the lighter side...I didn't know S&W made 'convertible' models (in this case where's the T-tops)

on the serious side...HOLY S&#T!!! Seeing pics like this makes me question the viability of learning to reload with no previous experience

OLDPUPPYMAX · November 2, 2009, 12:03 PM

But gee, I read somewhere that you really COULD use 30 06 rounds in the thing!

abber · November 2, 2009, 12:48 PM

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I also don't drink while reloading, watch tv while reloading or do anything else that would take my concentration from reloading.

And my wife wonders why I get annoyed when something "just can't wait". She will come into the garage and strike up conversatyions about what to buy the kids for their birthdays, or what to get out for tomorrow's dinner, et cetera et cetera..........She always wonders why I stop everything while she is there talking to me. I mean, what could possibly be more of a distraction than an indecisive wife? Oh well.....People that don't handload will never get it.....

younggun20 · November 2, 2009, 04:52 PM

on the serious side...HOLY S&#T!!! Seeing pics like this makes me question the viability of learning to reload with no previous experience

+1!

When i bought my 686+ the guy through in 50 rnds of hand loads, never thought about something like this happening, guess im lucky to have got away with both hands

petemo · November 2, 2009, 05:04 PM

We have a flea market close by our home. People are selling ammo out there all the time rifle,pistol and shotgun. Lots of evil people in this world how hard would it be to pull a bullet out an 06 case, dump the powder and fill with Bulls Eye or Unique. Seat the bullet and put it back in the box. Someone would get a heck of a surprise when they touch that one off. Moral reload sober and if you don't know the source of the ammo don't fire it

sakeneko · November 2, 2009, 09:12 PM

Personally, I'll happily shoot reloads made by a friend of mine who has been reloading for over thirty years, but I'm careful about shooting off-brand or no-name "factory" ammunition because I just don't know whether they knew what they were doing. It isn't reloads that are the problem; it's bad ammunition.

October 31, 2009, 09:13 AM	#54
Double Naught Spy Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2001 Posts: 6,045	Really? Never heard of an injury from catastrophic failures? Never from reload catastrophic failures? http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show...php?p=14013697 http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/general...ppens-you.html http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=947923 http://ridgecrest.blogspot.com/ http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...veseven+kaboom http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= http://www.chrisbyrne.com/images/gun...jpg&imgrefurl= http://anarchangel.blogspot.com/2006...HPIZSOMejArIIM see May 4, 2006 http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...aboom+injuries http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...aboom+injuries http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...aboom+injuries Just look at all the facial injuries and those who are thankful about wearing safety glasses. __________________ Lt. Cmdr. Matt T. Sherman: Where is Lt. Holden? Lt. Watson: When the air raid started they took off. All he said was "in confusion there is profit." Last edited by Double Naught Spy; October 31, 2009 at 09:32 AM.

October 31, 2009, 09:34 AM	#55
Ricky Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2008 Location: N.California Posts: 231	I thought S&W only used milled steel parts? The broken cylinder looks like it's cast metal.

October 31, 2009, 10:00 AM	#57
44Magnum Senior Member Join Date: September 29, 2008 Posts: 288	That one looks more like an over torqued barrel than a hot load. __________________ "It'll all fit in there, it must be a compressed load." I never joined SAMMI.

October 31, 2009, 12:05 PM	#58
abber Senior Member Join Date: January 15, 2008 Location: Vacaville, California Posts: 368	I could load ammo that would blow up ANY manufacturers gun. So? Just a testimony to the human factors at play in handloading ammo, IMHO. Check, double-check, and triple-check every single thing you do at that bench! __________________ I ain't got no safe queens. I shoots em all...

October 31, 2009, 09:50 PM	#60
Deaf Smith Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2000 Posts: 1,506	I've seen Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 magnums with their top strap blown off like the first photo. Seen Smith .38s to. All from reloads that were not correct. Usually a double charge or the wrong powder. Since all handguns use high pressure gas to throw the slug then all of them, no matter who makes them, can blow up if the wrong powder/bullet weight is used. ALL OF THEM. Just remember when you touch off a round that in reality you are making a controlled explosion. One mistake and it can become an uncontrolled explosion! __________________ “We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality” Ayn Rand

October 31, 2009, 10:05 PM	#61
vikz Senior Member Join Date: March 22, 2008 Posts: 262	I had a kaboom 1st time i reloaded for my 1911's, luckily only the mag and the grips got messed-up, it was a double or 3 charge i think.

November 1, 2009, 12:20 AM	#63
sakeneko Senior Member Join Date: May 23, 2009 Location: Nevada Posts: 309	+1 for S&W or Ruger +1 for having the sense God gave a rock and not shooting unvetted reloads <wry grin>

November 1, 2009, 06:54 AM	#64
madcratebuilder Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2007 Location: Northern Orygun Posts: 1,399	It's funny how so many equate size with strength. Bigger is not always stronger. I also find it funny that so many have to push the envelope on loading. What's the point? The S&W at the beginning of this thread belongs to a guy that was had TWO revolvers come apart on him from what I have read. That tells me something right their. You can break anything.

November 1, 2009, 07:01 AM	#65
Suwannee Tim Senior Member Join Date: June 27, 2009 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 246	I have avoided this nonsense by a simple plan: If I have a 44 Magnum but want 454 energy I buy a 454. I don't try to do it with the 44.

November 1, 2009, 09:29 AM	#68
SaberOne Senior Member Join Date: March 25, 2009 Location: Yuma, Arizona Posts: 178	Hmm let’s see, faulty manufacturing or drunken reloader… Personally, I have no desire to ever use reloads from anyone. There are plenty of over-the-counter options out there to experiment with. However, this thread is excellent in reinforcing the need to use safety glasses on the range which admittedly, I sometimes haven't. Talk about a solid wake-up call. Regards, __________________ “Monsters are real and so are ghosts. They live inside of us, and sometimes they win.” ~ Stephen King Last edited by SaberOne; November 1, 2009 at 11:42 AM.

November 1, 2009, 02:24 PM	#70
kmrcstintn Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2008 Posts: 141	on the lighter side...I didn't know S&W made 'convertible' models (in this case where's the T-tops) on the serious side...HOLY S&#T!!! Seeing pics like this makes me question the viability of learning to reload with no previous experience

November 2, 2009, 12:03 PM	#71
OLDPUPPYMAX Junior Member Join Date: October 29, 2009 Posts: 14	But gee, I read somewhere that you really COULD use 30 06 rounds in the thing!

November 2, 2009, 04:52 PM	#73
younggun20 Member Join Date: February 26, 2009 Posts: 33	on the serious side...HOLY S&#T!!! Seeing pics like this makes me question the viability of learning to reload with no previous experience +1! When i bought my 686+ the guy through in 50 rnds of hand loads, never thought about something like this happening, guess im lucky to have got away with both hands

November 2, 2009, 05:04 PM	#74
petemo Member Join Date: February 20, 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 45	Ka Boom We have a flea market close by our home. People are selling ammo out there all the time rifle,pistol and shotgun. Lots of evil people in this world how hard would it be to pull a bullet out an 06 case, dump the powder and fill with Bulls Eye or Unique. Seat the bullet and put it back in the box. Someone would get a heck of a surprise when they touch that one off. Moral reload sober and if you don't know the source of the ammo don't fire it

November 2, 2009, 09:12 PM	#75
sakeneko Senior Member Join Date: May 23, 2009 Location: Nevada Posts: 309	Personally, I'll happily shoot reloads made by a friend of mine who has been reloading for over thirty years, but I'm careful about shooting off-brand or no-name "factory" ammunition because I just don't know whether they knew what they were doing. It isn't reloads that are the problem; it's bad ammunition.