Won a Caesar Guerini...

dustball8504 · November 7, 2009, 05:33 PM

Hey all, I won a Caesar Guerini last night in a 20 gauge and not really excited about the 20 gauge I'm thinking about trading it for a high end 12 gauge instead. What would you suggest and why do you like it? Thanks!!

http://www.gueriniusa.com/gun_models...odlander.shtml

thats the one I won by the way!

trigger happy · November 7, 2009, 05:57 PM

I'd keep it because I won it, the 20 gauge can be fun to shoot too

Waterengineer · November 7, 2009, 06:19 PM

Congrats. Why am I never that lucky?

hogdogs · November 7, 2009, 06:22 PM

Since yer not real happy about winning... I will give you $200.00 fat dollars for the old non tech an-tiquer...
Just so you don't have to suffer the purchase...

Brent

dustball8504 · November 7, 2009, 07:04 PM

LOL, i'm excited about winning it, its worth more than the first Mustang I bought and probably worth more than my other 5 shotguns combined! I always wanted a higher end O/U so I might just keep it and shoot the 20 or trade it in and get a 12 just like it. I don't see too many of them around so its kinda nice having something different also...

BigJimP · November 7, 2009, 07:43 PM

Congratulations.

I like a 20ga / but if you don't want it, you should trade it in on something else you like. I don't think its a bad gun / but its not my first choice either.

If you know what dimensions on a gun you need - length of pull, drop at comb, drop at heel - or a parallel comb gun ..... then we could give you more guidance on what you should look at as a trade in.

My personal preference is toward Browning in O/U's - and one of the guns I think has the most adjustability, in terms of fitting more shooters, is a gun with a parallel adjustable comb - like the Browning XS Special or the Browning XS Skeet - both available in 12 or 20ga ( list price is around $ 3 K ).

tju1973 · November 7, 2009, 07:50 PM

Keep it-- that one is a beut-- and 20 Ga is nothing to sneeze at-- unless you can get a 28 or .410 out of it, I would keep it..IMHO

ebutler462 · November 7, 2009, 08:10 PM

Check prices on 20 gauge guns vs 12 gauge guns on the used rack. The 20 gauge is 20% higher. Actually, I prefer a 20 gauge for my use.

javven · November 7, 2009, 10:22 PM

Keep it - 20 will do 95% of what a 12 will do on the range and is suitable for most of what you'd probably hunt with that gun anyhow - in a word... UPLAND

You could hunt ducks with it too - but I hate to envision a CG dropped in a pond someplace....

koolminx · November 7, 2009, 10:40 PM

To heck with these guy's! I'll trade you my Pardner 12 Gauge! It's dead on accurate!

Straight across!

Here's a pic of it in my Pop's hands!

Nice piece isn't it

johnbt · November 7, 2009, 10:51 PM

I vote for trading it on a 28 ga. Woodlander. Great guns.

Lee Lapin · November 7, 2009, 11:12 PM

I was looking at the Quantico gun club site today and noticed this:

http://www.quanticoshootingclub.com/...w=news&nid=200

Restriction of Summit Sporting shotguns made by Caesar Guerini

All shotguns model "Summit Sporting," manufactured by Caesar Guerini in Brescia, Italy are restricted from use at any shooting event conducted by the Quantico Shooting Club. We hope that this is a temporary restriction, pending independent and expert testing of a shotgun mishap. All Range Safety Officers are to verify that shooters are not using this firearm until the restriction is lifted.

An investigation into the shotgun mishap performed by the Range Safety Officers of the Quantico Shooting Club and headed up by Chief Range Safety Officer R.A. Fisher has been completed and the report is now available for download. Click the link below to see the Report entitled "Mishap Report: Chief Range Safety Officer's Investigation and Report."

This Report is a preliminary report pending engineering and/or laboratory tests. The Chief Range Safety Officer's Investigation and Report was not reviewed before publication by any laboratory specializing in the examination and testing of guns or any organization or individual unaffiliated with the Quantico Shooting Club. Although the Caesar Guerini Summit Sporting shotgun referenced in the Report was examined by Mr. Robert Mayer, one of the QSC Safety Officers who assisted in the investigation and in the preparation of the Report, who also has a mechanical engineering degree, the shotgun has not yet been subject to any mechanical engineering, metallurgic, or materials science testing to assess the cause of the incident.

Caesar Guerini, U.S.A., LLC disputes the contents of the Chief Range Safety Officer's Investigation and Report and has sued the Quantico Shooting Club regarding the Report. This litigation is pending.

For Caesar Guerini, U.S.A., LLC's response to Quantico Shooting Club's Report please go to www.gueriniusa.com/response.html.

fwiw...

lpl

javven · November 7, 2009, 11:49 PM

Now that I know where this mess is I will stay far, far away....

LHB1 · November 7, 2009, 11:55 PM

Quote: " Actually, I prefer a 20 gauge for my use. "

Me too, BY FAR!!

dustball8504 · November 8, 2009, 10:32 AM

OK, you guys are a bad influence

I'm keeping it lol. It'll just be a clay bird gun for me, if I hunt ducks with anything it'll be my 870, I can afford to beat it around.

johnbt · November 8, 2009, 01:08 PM

"I was looking at the Quantico gun club site"

As the owner of the CG pictured earlier, I've followed the QSC episode on a number of boards. First, it's a private club that rents from Quantico, so the USMC didn't write the report. Second, the report was written by amateur shooters who appeared to be mostly covering their rearends to their USMC landlord.

And more to the point, the guy who reloaded the ammo in question had owned the reloader for 40 days.

As I've posted before, they wrote the report and then modified it and still don't have any lab evidence, just their opinion.

Guerini posted a detailed rebuttal.

John

PetahW · November 8, 2009, 01:32 PM

CONGRATS , dustball !

And, here, I thought my son was lucky to win a new 20ga Franchi 48AL Deluxe last month !

You were 3x luckier !

.

LHB1 · November 8, 2009, 02:33 PM

Quote: "OK, you guys are a bad influence I'm keeping it lol. It'll just be a clay bird gun for me, if I hunt ducks with anything it'll be my 870, I can afford to beat it around. "

The 20 is also great for upland game: doves, quail, etc.

perazzimx14 · November 8, 2009, 05:00 PM

You are better off keeping the gun unless you do a private sale. If you trade it at a gun shop they will give you 50 to 60% of the value and honestly to sell privately you would have to mark it down 20% or more to spark any interest. You will not get what a dealer would charge.

Keep it, shoot, it then pass it down to a family member.

November 7, 2009, 05:33 PM	#1
dustball8504 Member Join Date: March 4, 2009 Posts: 33	Won a Caesar Guerini... Hey all, I won a Caesar Guerini last night in a 20 gauge and not really excited about the 20 gauge I'm thinking about trading it for a high end 12 gauge instead. What would you suggest and why do you like it? Thanks!! http://www.gueriniusa.com/gun_models...odlander.shtml thats the one I won by the way!

November 7, 2009, 05:57 PM	#2
trigger happy Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2006 Location: Atlanta Posts: 689	I'd keep it because I won it, the 20 gauge can be fun to shoot too __________________ "You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass" Admiral Yamamoto "You have enemies ? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life" Winston Churchill

November 7, 2009, 06:22 PM	#4
hogdogs Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 6,916	Since yer not real happy about winning... I will give you $200.00 fat dollars for the old non tech an-tiquer... Just so you don't have to suffer the purchase... Brent __________________ Fan of the Mossberg family of shot guns and the Marlin family of leveractions and rimfires. Savage and Ruger both get my nod too... Just doing my part to tick off the easily offended Hog doggers do it until the squeal is real!!!

November 7, 2009, 11:12 PM	#12
Lee Lapin Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2004 Location: SE NC Posts: 646	I was looking at the Quantico gun club site today and noticed this: http://www.quanticoshootingclub.com/...w=news&nid=200 Restriction of Summit Sporting shotguns made by Caesar Guerini All shotguns model "Summit Sporting," manufactured by Caesar Guerini in Brescia, Italy are restricted from use at any shooting event conducted by the Quantico Shooting Club. We hope that this is a temporary restriction, pending independent and expert testing of a shotgun mishap. All Range Safety Officers are to verify that shooters are not using this firearm until the restriction is lifted. An investigation into the shotgun mishap performed by the Range Safety Officers of the Quantico Shooting Club and headed up by Chief Range Safety Officer R.A. Fisher has been completed and the report is now available for download. Click the link below to see the Report entitled "Mishap Report: Chief Range Safety Officer's Investigation and Report." This Report is a preliminary report pending engineering and/or laboratory tests. The Chief Range Safety Officer's Investigation and Report was not reviewed before publication by any laboratory specializing in the examination and testing of guns or any organization or individual unaffiliated with the Quantico Shooting Club. Although the Caesar Guerini Summit Sporting shotgun referenced in the Report was examined by Mr. Robert Mayer, one of the QSC Safety Officers who assisted in the investigation and in the preparation of the Report, who also has a mechanical engineering degree, the shotgun has not yet been subject to any mechanical engineering, metallurgic, or materials science testing to assess the cause of the incident. Caesar Guerini, U.S.A., LLC disputes the contents of the Chief Range Safety Officer's Investigation and Report and has sued the Quantico Shooting Club regarding the Report. This litigation is pending. For Caesar Guerini, U.S.A., LLC's response to Quantico Shooting Club's Report please go to www.gueriniusa.com/response.html. fwiw... lpl __________________ Mindset - Skillset - Toolset. In that order!

November 7, 2009, 11:55 PM	#14
LHB1 Senior Member Join Date: March 25, 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,461	Quote: " Actually, I prefer a 20 gauge for my use. " Me too, BY FAR!! __________________ Good shooting and be safe. LB

November 7, 2009, 06:19 PM	#3
Waterengineer Senior Member Join Date: February 7, 2006 Location: Aurora, CO and Palm Beach, FL Posts: 768	Congrats. Why am I never that lucky?

November 7, 2009, 07:04 PM	#5
dustball8504 Member Join Date: March 4, 2009 Posts: 33	LOL, i'm excited about winning it, its worth more than the first Mustang I bought and probably worth more than my other 5 shotguns combined! I always wanted a higher end O/U so I might just keep it and shoot the 20 or trade it in and get a 12 just like it. I don't see too many of them around so its kinda nice having something different also...

November 7, 2009, 07:43 PM	#6
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 3,557	Congratulations. I like a 20ga / but if you don't want it, you should trade it in on something else you like. I don't think its a bad gun / but its not my first choice either. If you know what dimensions on a gun you need - length of pull, drop at comb, drop at heel - or a parallel comb gun ..... then we could give you more guidance on what you should look at as a trade in. My personal preference is toward Browning in O/U's - and one of the guns I think has the most adjustability, in terms of fitting more shooters, is a gun with a parallel adjustable comb - like the Browning XS Special or the Browning XS Skeet - both available in 12 or 20ga ( list price is around $ 3 K ).

November 7, 2009, 07:50 PM	#7
tju1973 Member Join Date: February 25, 2008 Posts: 75	Keep it-- that one is a beut-- and 20 Ga is nothing to sneeze at-- unless you can get a 28 or .410 out of it, I would keep it..IMHO

November 7, 2009, 08:10 PM	#8
ebutler462 Senior Member Join Date: March 16, 2007 Location: NC Posts: 399	Check prices on 20 gauge guns vs 12 gauge guns on the used rack. The 20 gauge is 20% higher. Actually, I prefer a 20 gauge for my use.

November 7, 2009, 10:22 PM	#9
javven Senior Member Join Date: October 23, 2009 Posts: 108	Keep it - 20 will do 95% of what a 12 will do on the range and is suitable for most of what you'd probably hunt with that gun anyhow - in a word... UPLAND You could hunt ducks with it too - but I hate to envision a CG dropped in a pond someplace....

November 7, 2009, 10:40 PM	#10
koolminx Senior Member Join Date: January 12, 2009 Posts: 470	To heck with these guy's! I'll trade you my Pardner 12 Gauge! It's dead on accurate! Straight across! Here's a pic of it in my Pop's hands! Nice piece isn't it

November 7, 2009, 10:51 PM	#11
johnbt Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 1999 Location: Richmond, Virginia USA Posts: 4,159	I vote for trading it on a 28 ga. Woodlander. Great guns.

November 7, 2009, 11:49 PM	#13
javven Senior Member Join Date: October 23, 2009 Posts: 108	Now that I know where this mess is I will stay far, far away....

November 8, 2009, 10:32 AM	#15
dustball8504 Member Join Date: March 4, 2009 Posts: 33	OK, you guys are a bad influence I'm keeping it lol. It'll just be a clay bird gun for me, if I hunt ducks with anything it'll be my 870, I can afford to beat it around.

November 8, 2009, 01:08 PM	#16
johnbt Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 1999 Location: Richmond, Virginia USA Posts: 4,159	"I was looking at the Quantico gun club site" As the owner of the CG pictured earlier, I've followed the QSC episode on a number of boards. First, it's a private club that rents from Quantico, so the USMC didn't write the report. Second, the report was written by amateur shooters who appeared to be mostly covering their rearends to their USMC landlord. And more to the point, the guy who reloaded the ammo in question had owned the reloader for 40 days. As I've posted before, they wrote the report and then modified it and still don't have any lab evidence, just their opinion. Guerini posted a detailed rebuttal. John

November 8, 2009, 01:32 PM	#17
PetahW Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2008 Posts: 666	CONGRATS , dustball ! And, here, I thought my son was lucky to win a new 20ga Franchi 48AL Deluxe last month ! You were 3x luckier ! .

November 8, 2009, 02:33 PM	#18
LHB1 Senior Member Join Date: March 25, 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,461	Quote: "OK, you guys are a bad influence I'm keeping it lol. It'll just be a clay bird gun for me, if I hunt ducks with anything it'll be my 870, I can afford to beat it around. " The 20 is also great for upland game: doves, quail, etc. __________________ Good shooting and be safe. LB

November 8, 2009, 05:00 PM	#19
perazzimx14 Senior Member Join Date: February 10, 2007 Posts: 125	You are better off keeping the gun unless you do a private sale. If you trade it at a gun shop they will give you 50 to 60% of the value and honestly to sell privately you would have to mark it down 20% or more to spark any interest. You will not get what a dealer would charge. Keep it, shoot, it then pass it down to a family member.