Modern henry rifles

herb · February 14, 2010, 04:32 PM

Sure are pretty but wish they had more with steel frames. They state they are made in USA.. Correct?? or machined, etc in Italy and then shipped to USA for finishing??. I see an awful lot of Italian indicators, ie names that own or manage and use of all that brass? I like Pietta's and Ubberti but just could not help wondering. The guy all dressed up in tie and sweater just don't fit.

horseman308 · February 14, 2010, 05:15 PM

I've read their website and seen their commercials. They say pretty explicitly that all their parts are made in the U.S. from U.S. natural resources, so unless they're flat-out lying, I doubt anything is made in Italy. As far as the frame material, I think I read somewhere that their frames are all steel, some of which have a brass plating. I don't know how true that is, though since they chamber some of their brass-framed rifles in .30-30 and .44 mag, it would stand to reason that they would want a stronger frame than "pure" brass.

Dfariswheel · February 14, 2010, 07:21 PM

The American Henry company simply uses the Henry name.
Their rifles have nothing in common with the original 1860's Henry rifles.
Their rifles are all totally modern designs, with one or two center fire models having solid brass receivers.
The .22 rifles have a cast zinc "Zamac" receiver with a brass plated sheet steel outer cover slipped over it.

The Italian Uberti made Henry rifles are very close replicas of the original Henry rifles only not chambered in the obsolete original .44 Henry rim fire cartridge.

DPris · February 14, 2010, 07:32 PM

D,
Imperato told me quite a while back that the actual internal receivers on the rimfires are steel, with the outer "receiver" covers being made of non-ferrous alloy.
Denis

Big Bill · February 14, 2010, 09:03 PM

Quote:

The .22 rifles have a cast zinc "Zamac" receiver with a brass plated sheet steel outer cover slipped over it.

Could you tell us more about this and provide a link please?

I found this...

Servo,

I was told by the president of Henry R.A.C., Mr. Anthony Imperato, that the Golden Boys, H001-series leverguns, and the pump rifles have aluminum alloy receivers. The Big Boy uses a solid brass receiver. The singleshot rifles have stainless steel receivers. I think the AR-7/ Survival rifle has an aluminum alloy receiver.

Now, if zinc is predominantly used, instead of aluminum, then the alloy would be called "zamac". Zamac is an acronym for:

Zinc Aluminum Magnesium and Copper

Depending on the percentages, zamac can be quite strong. Some are stronger than some steels.

If you want to see how they hold up, then go get yourself a 35-year-old Ithaca 72. ...or, a 25-year-old Iver-Johnson Saddlegun. ...or, a 30-odd-year-old Erma 713 levergun. They hold up fairly well, alright!

Forum member "Fugger Nutter" fired over 10,000 rounds through his Henry levergun. Unfortunately, his site is no longer around.

BigLoop22

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...ighlight=zamac

Here's another post from the same thread:

VA PLINKER

As I understand it they are made of Zamak 3. After shooting thousands of rounds through my Henry's it really doesnt matter to me anymore, whatever it is made of, it works and holds up. Im not about to question a good thing. I dumped a CZ 452 magnum for a Henry magnum just for the handling and accuracy chacteristics although the 452 does a little better in the LR accuracy department.

Ive always stayed away from the 22 mag on coyotes threads, it seems to be a hot topic around here, but for once I will speak up. The 22 mag works. The Henry 22 mag has droped a few bang floppers in your neck of the woods John H C, or should I say southern Illinois near New Baden, Trenton, Alvers and Highlands. The winchester 40 grn jhp's have always worked fine for me.

Right now I have one barrel sent off to be threaded for a can. If the gun wasnt reliable, accurate and expected to hold up this additional money would have never been spent.

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...ighlight=zamac

qwman68 · February 15, 2010, 12:01 AM

My henry .22 lever action is as smooth as silk and very accurate. Whoever makes them is doing a good job.

DPris · February 15, 2010, 02:22 AM

It might be helpful to clarify that the receiver is not just the middle metal part of a rifle, in conventional usage it's basically the frame that the barrel & stock are attached to, and which fixes all or most of the internal parts together in their working relationship.

The "receiver" on the rimfires is not the same as the receiver on the Henry centerfires. The receiver (or frame) on the rimfires is inside what appears to be the receiver (the cover). The barrel & stock are not attached to that outside cover on the rimfires as they are to the conventional receiver of the centerfires & neither are the internal working parts.

The guts of the centerfire receivers are held in place by the receiver, the guts of the rimfires are not held in place by the removable alloy cover.

It's roughly the same principle as the old Remington Nylon 66, in that what appears to be the visible receiver is actually only a removable cover.

The frame that the barrel & stock & internal parts all attach to on the rimfires is steel, according to what Imperato told me when I first started working with the Henry .22 lever-actions. The action cover is alloy, whether you call it Brasslite, Zamak, Zamac, or tin & aluminum.
If Tony's saying otherwise now, then the story's changed, but a good part of the confusion lies in differentiating between the actual parts under discussion and understanding what the "receiver" really is on the .22s.

The receivers on the centerfires are milled from a brass alloy & use a completely different internal action design.

Denis

Big Bill · February 15, 2010, 02:31 AM

Thanks Denis - that clears it up a lot.

DPris · February 15, 2010, 02:39 AM

Hope so. You're very welcome.
Denis

PetahW · February 15, 2010, 03:24 PM

Just consider, when reading Henry "reviews", that there are many folks ready to pan a new/good product - saying (for instance) that the Henry's are all aluminum & plastic, etc, etc.

FWIW, the only plastic parts besides the barrel band on some Henry models, are the same things that are made of plastic on just about every other rifle made today - the magazine follower and the buttplate.

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Cheapshooter · February 15, 2010, 04:58 PM

Today's Henry rifles are made in U.S. Used to be assembled in Brooklyn N.Y. but I think Bloomberg ran them out of town. Don't listen to all the Zamak-Schmamak BS. They are of exceptional quality and well worth having. I have the Golden Boy 22 Magnum and love it. What model they have you won't hear from the gun snobs that think every gun has to be made of carbon steel and walnut because they deny themselves the joy of owning a Henry.

qwman68 · February 15, 2010, 06:22 PM

Like i said mine is a great rifle. Whatever its made of, it works. Plus its a henry. EVEN IF IT IS ZAMAK OR WHATEVER, I DOUBT A .22 RIMFIRE BULLET IS GONNA BLOW THE RECIEVER APART. MINE HAS A GREAT FINISH, AWESOME WALNUT STOCK, FUNCTIONS GREAT, AND IS VERY ACCURATE.. MADE IN AMERICA USING THE HENRY NAME MAKES IT A HENRY IN MY OPINION.

TX15 · February 15, 2010, 06:50 PM

All the Hi-Point Firearms are made from Zamac 3, it holds up very well.

Big Bill · February 16, 2010, 02:05 AM

Oh NO!!! Now my Henry is a Hi Point? I'm devastated...

(kidding!)

kcub · December 31, 2015, 09:06 AM

So is the (laser) engraved deluxe 3rd edition golden boy zamac veneered?

Here is an example.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=534422877

DPris · December 31, 2015, 02:40 PM

No, not in the sense you wrote that.

All of the GBs use the same Zamak 5 material for the actual internal receiver AND the outer receiver cover.

The cover on the GB is nickel-plated, then the gold/brass finish is applied.

Zamak is the base metal, not the finish.
And it's not laser engraved.
Denis

Nathan c · December 31, 2015, 04:06 PM

Really don't care what there made of there just good shooting guns that look good

Guv · January 1, 2016, 08:43 AM

Does ZAMAC take regular bluing? I have an old ERMA 22 pistol that has a finish that rivals my old Contenders, never seen a spot of rust on it either. The British used it to make Corgi Toy, toy cars back in the day, some are very nice and command some pretty good money on places like ebay.

DPris · January 1, 2016, 12:15 PM

Zamak is not blue-able.

And, in this old thread, I should correct Post #4- erroneous info back then.
Denis

hanleyfan · January 1, 2016, 01:04 PM

Henry big bore levers have one fault " no loading gate" I will not buy a lever that loads like a .22 period.

bobn · January 1, 2016, 02:09 PM

I believe at one time anthonys father owned the iver Johnson name. they imported erma brand 22 rifles from Germany. get your hands on one and you would swear they are the same rifle. bobn

February 14, 2010, 04:32 PM	#1
herb Member Join Date: February 6, 2010 Posts: 56	Modern henry rifles Sure are pretty but wish they had more with steel frames. They state they are made in USA.. Correct?? or machined, etc in Italy and then shipped to USA for finishing??. I see an awful lot of Italian indicators, ie names that own or manage and use of all that brass? I like Pietta's and Ubberti but just could not help wondering. The guy all dressed up in tie and sweater just don't fit.

February 14, 2010, 05:15 PM	#2
horseman308 Senior Member Join Date: November 3, 2009 Location: Maryland Posts: 526	I've read their website and seen their commercials. They say pretty explicitly that all their parts are made in the U.S. from U.S. natural resources, so unless they're flat-out lying, I doubt anything is made in Italy. As far as the frame material, I think I read somewhere that their frames are all steel, some of which have a brass plating. I don't know how true that is, though since they chamber some of their brass-framed rifles in .30-30 and .44 mag, it would stand to reason that they would want a stronger frame than "pure" brass. __________________ You only take one shot at a time - make it count.

February 15, 2010, 02:31 AM	#8
Big Bill Senior Member Join Date: December 29, 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 1,053	Thanks Denis - that clears it up a lot. __________________ There is only one tactical principle which is not subject to change. It is to use the means at hand to inflict the maximum amount of wound, death, and destruction on the enemy in the minimum amount of time." - General George Patton Jr

February 15, 2010, 04:58 PM	#11
Cheapshooter Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 8,306	Today's Henry rifles are made in U.S. Used to be assembled in Brooklyn N.Y. but I think Bloomberg ran them out of town. Don't listen to all the Zamak-Schmamak BS. They are of exceptional quality and well worth having. I have the Golden Boy 22 Magnum and love it. What model they have you won't hear from the gun snobs that think every gun has to be made of carbon steel and walnut because they deny themselves the joy of owning a Henry. Last edited by Cheapshooter; February 15, 2010 at 09:56 PM.

February 15, 2010, 06:22 PM	#12
qwman68 Junior member Join Date: May 10, 2009 Location: Crimson Tide Country Posts: 359	Like i said mine is a great rifle. Whatever its made of, it works. Plus its a henry. EVEN IF IT IS ZAMAK OR WHATEVER, I DOUBT A .22 RIMFIRE BULLET IS GONNA BLOW THE RECIEVER APART. MINE HAS A GREAT FINISH, AWESOME WALNUT STOCK, FUNCTIONS GREAT, AND IS VERY ACCURATE.. MADE IN AMERICA USING THE HENRY NAME MAKES IT A HENRY IN MY OPINION. Last edited by qwman68; February 15, 2010 at 06:32 PM.

February 14, 2010, 07:21 PM	#3
Dfariswheel Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2001 Posts: 7,478	The American Henry company simply uses the Henry name. Their rifles have nothing in common with the original 1860's Henry rifles. Their rifles are all totally modern designs, with one or two center fire models having solid brass receivers. The .22 rifles have a cast zinc "Zamac" receiver with a brass plated sheet steel outer cover slipped over it. The Italian Uberti made Henry rifles are very close replicas of the original Henry rifles only not chambered in the obsolete original .44 Henry rim fire cartridge.

February 14, 2010, 07:32 PM	#4
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	D, Imperato told me quite a while back that the actual internal receivers on the rimfires are steel, with the outer "receiver" covers being made of non-ferrous alloy. Denis

February 15, 2010, 12:01 AM	#6
qwman68 Junior member Join Date: May 10, 2009 Location: Crimson Tide Country Posts: 359	My henry .22 lever action is as smooth as silk and very accurate. Whoever makes them is doing a good job.

February 15, 2010, 02:22 AM	#7
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	It might be helpful to clarify that the receiver is not just the middle metal part of a rifle, in conventional usage it's basically the frame that the barrel & stock are attached to, and which fixes all or most of the internal parts together in their working relationship. The "receiver" on the rimfires is not the same as the receiver on the Henry centerfires. The receiver (or frame) on the rimfires is inside what appears to be the receiver (the cover). The barrel & stock are not attached to that outside cover on the rimfires as they are to the conventional receiver of the centerfires & neither are the internal working parts. The guts of the centerfire receivers are held in place by the receiver, the guts of the rimfires are not held in place by the removable alloy cover. It's roughly the same principle as the old Remington Nylon 66, in that what appears to be the visible receiver is actually only a removable cover. The frame that the barrel & stock & internal parts all attach to on the rimfires is steel, according to what Imperato told me when I first started working with the Henry .22 lever-actions. The action cover is alloy, whether you call it Brasslite, Zamak, Zamac, or tin & aluminum. If Tony's saying otherwise now, then the story's changed, but a good part of the confusion lies in differentiating between the actual parts under discussion and understanding what the "receiver" really is on the .22s. The receivers on the centerfires are milled from a brass alloy & use a completely different internal action design. Denis

February 15, 2010, 02:39 AM	#9
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	Hope so. You're very welcome. Denis

February 15, 2010, 03:24 PM	#10
PetahW Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2008 Posts: 4,678	Just consider, when reading Henry "reviews", that there are many folks ready to pan a new/good product - saying (for instance) that the Henry's are all aluminum & plastic, etc, etc. FWIW, the only plastic parts besides the barrel band on some Henry models, are the same things that are made of plastic on just about every other rifle made today - the magazine follower and the buttplate. .

February 15, 2010, 06:50 PM	#13
TX15 Member Join Date: November 1, 2004 Posts: 33	All the Hi-Point Firearms are made from Zamac 3, it holds up very well.

February 16, 2010, 02:05 AM	#14
Big Bill Senior Member Join Date: December 29, 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 1,053	Oh NO!!! Now my Henry is a Hi Point? I'm devastated... (kidding!) __________________ There is only one tactical principle which is not subject to change. It is to use the means at hand to inflict the maximum amount of wound, death, and destruction on the enemy in the minimum amount of time." - General George Patton Jr

December 31, 2015, 09:06 AM	#15
kcub Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2010 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 3,318	So is the (laser) engraved deluxe 3rd edition golden boy zamac veneered? Here is an example. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=534422877

December 31, 2015, 02:40 PM	#16
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	No, not in the sense you wrote that. All of the GBs use the same Zamak 5 material for the actual internal receiver AND the outer receiver cover. The cover on the GB is nickel-plated, then the gold/brass finish is applied. Zamak is the base metal, not the finish. And it's not laser engraved. Denis

December 31, 2015, 04:06 PM	#17
Nathan c Member Join Date: April 2, 2015 Posts: 97	Really don't care what there made of there just good shooting guns that look good

January 1, 2016, 08:43 AM	#18
Guv Senior Member Join Date: February 24, 2012 Location: South Texas Posts: 2,126	Does ZAMAC take regular bluing? I have an old ERMA 22 pistol that has a finish that rivals my old Contenders, never seen a spot of rust on it either. The British used it to make Corgi Toy, toy cars back in the day, some are very nice and command some pretty good money on places like ebay. __________________ Walnut and Gloss Blue, mostly!

January 1, 2016, 12:15 PM	#19
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	Zamak is not blue-able. And, in this old thread, I should correct Post #4- erroneous info back then. Denis

January 1, 2016, 01:04 PM	#20
hanleyfan Member Join Date: July 30, 2010 Posts: 32	Henry big bore levers have one fault " no loading gate" I will not buy a lever that loads like a .22 period.

January 1, 2016, 02:09 PM	#21
bobn Senior Member Join Date: December 30, 2006 Location: midwest Posts: 1,105	I believe at one time anthonys father owned the iver Johnson name. they imported erma brand 22 rifles from Germany. get your hands on one and you would swear they are the same rifle. bobn