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My initial thought was "if kids today have 15x lower lead levels, why aren't they 15x smarter??" Until a thought a few seconds longer and realized that would be using the same "if A, then B" logic comparing two isolated data points and nothing else. Quote:
one could substitute "lethal" or "hazardous" for "poison" and it would still be correct. Pick any substance you want, too much (or not enough) and you die. The best practice I know for limiting exposure to hazards is ALARA. As Low As Reasonably Achievable.
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Putting it in perspective:
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/lea...foradults.html And, of course, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." The gummint moved the goalposts so we overnight had double the number of children suffering from "lead poisoning." https://www.npr.org/2021/10/28/10502...-new-standards
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No, it is NOT a given.
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when lead kills or makes mad as a hatter.
The culprit is the lead styphnate.
Mine got too high; 20mg/ltr at worst. My MD did the first research and id'd the lead powder expelled when firing. Now adays 25 is the beginning to worry. My take on it, purely pedestrian, Lead styphnate is from firing guns. Wash hands, change clothes, tumble brass outside. See my and some friends old posts on this forum and some others. "Lead in Blood". Stay safe, Max |
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Lead styphnate was used in the priming compound of the early non-corrosive primers. I think most modern makers have moved on to a lead azide compound. No idea if that has the same hazards, or degree of hazard, but I've heard lead azide is also used in the detonator that inflates your car's airbags in the event of sufficient impact.
I'm pretty sure the "ban lead everywhere" crowd knows this, but chooses not to make an issue of it, at this time.
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Many times I've just made my own for garages and cement floors. I always have a bucket of saw dust/chips and even just stirring in a little water helps a lot to throw the wet saw dust down and then sweep it up with the dirt. I'll mostly mix in some diesel and then you can use the compound over and over until it gets too dirty to work and then throw it in the wood stove for fire starter and make new.
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Don't overlook that fact that you were sweeping a week's worth of accumulated material, each and every time.
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At least they still have a trap league, but those kerfuffles are what get them cancelled so it's important to stay on top of that.
Around here the last of the school clubs for that age bracket were eliminated & relegated to air rifles until those leagues were banned too over whining about evil this & that. Can't have kids learning to be responsible & safe with tools! I like Jerry Miculek's approach to handling the risk, use a large fan even when shooting outdoors. It won't stop exposure completely but there is a mitigation factor. This all being up to the individual of course, if it were mandated, I'd be against it. That being said, any metal dust/particulate floating in the air puts the zap on my lungs. Grinding, welding or just heating a stuck fastener with a torch nukes them. A hot shower & eight hours of sleep usually clears that up but it's annoying. Odd thing is that none of that bothered me until I quit smoking after 21 years, prior to that I'd laugh at the thought of using a respirator for anything, even handling asbestos. Only raw diesel fumes bothered me then. |
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I have returned to shooting, going on 3 years now, all at indoor
range. I had my blood tested, got a 24 result, which is high-I have started shooting with an N95 mask and doing my reloading with gloves and a mask. The level is not at a place where I should have noticeable effects, so my Doc says, but the Doc at Duke says to use D lead soap as regular soap won't take all of the lead off. I am 87, so not worrying but attentive. |
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There are some deleading wipes (e.g. LeadOff) that you can use if you shoot at a range that doesn't have running water to allow you to clean up thoroughly. They will help you keep your vehicle more free of lead by getting your hands cleaner before you drive home.
I have no information on how well they actually work at removing lead.
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well from just looking at the numbers the cdc put out, one would think we are down to safe levels even with the normal contamination form shooting... normal i say, which begs the question who's normal shooting.... but at any rate, when compared to levels when we used leaded fuel; even the highest doses are now safe. i guess it's all about perspective after all.
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Aren't those the same people who made something like 30%+ of the country "morbidly obese" over night because they changed their BMI (body mass index) scale??
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This is a prime example of a logical fallacy!
This is an example of Post hoc ergo propter hoc: This is a conclusion that assumes that if 'A' occurred after 'B' then 'B' must have caused 'A.' It's like saying Halloween causes Thanksgiving. Hey, every year we have Halloween and then Christmas happens. They gotta be related.
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The phrase to remember, though tis a bit cumbersome, is "Correlation is not Causation".
Set your parameters wide enough and anything that happens can be correlated (co-related) meaning there is some kind of link between them. That link can be as tenuous as "both happened on earth" or "they both happened on a day that ends in "y"....but some degree of correlation does exist. However, some things only stretch so far.... One of the key words is "therefore"...no matter what the claim, everything after the word "therefore" is, and should be suspect. Another word is "but"....which has a similar use, but in the opposite direction, where everything before the word "but" is essentially dismissed as not relevant... SO, back to lead, which is a naturally occurring substance in our environment. There are levels where it causes detectable harm. Then there are levels where it "could be harmful" and levels that "cause concern". And levels where no detectable harm is caused. Every substance known to man, including those necessary for life have such levels. What varies is the amount of exposure needed to qualify for each level.
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I would take lead dust in a home with a small child with a growing and developing brain seriously. On the other hand the Army Corps cleaning up the part of lake Erie over which trap shooters pointed for decades. They dredged it so we could be safe from all those little lead pellets. If you know anything about lake Erie, you know that after more than a century of intense industrial activity, taking the pellets off the bottom leaves it far from safe. Quote:
A couple of the older guys at a range I used decades ago had high lead levels, and they were reloaders. Their docs thought it was the brass. Apparently lots of machined metals, brass included have significant lead content. The idea was that if you handle tons of it over time minute amounts accumulate.
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Brass is an alloy of copper and zinc. If there is lead in the alloy and it is sold as brass, you're being cheated.
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