Dutchman sets new standards for weapons stash.

C.R.Sam · March 21, 2002, 11:41 AM

Got this from the London Times.

Dutchman quizzed after tank find

Dutch police are questioning a man after finding a Centurion tank and an arsenal of weapons in a boathouse in a small seaside town. A raid on the man's home in Noordwijkerhout uncovered more guns and "large amounts of ammunition", according to police, who say the 44-year-old man is believed to have purchased the tank for a collection, not to stage an attack. The confiscated arms include large calibre automatic weapons and machine guns. Investigators are trying to find out how he transported the massive British-made Centurion into the quiet resort.

ajaxinacan · March 21, 2002, 12:17 PM

Me too.

I demand to know just where he got the Centurion, and just how he transported and stored it without arousing suspicion.

Also, are they taking anything in trade?

buzz_knox · March 21, 2002, 12:30 PM

The Centurion had a 105mm, right? What's the M&S one shot stop rating for that?

hksigwalther · March 21, 2002, 12:44 PM

"....Centurion tank...."

Daaaaaang.

Ledbetter · March 21, 2002, 01:18 PM

Would that be 5,000 rounds of .30 caliber or 1,000 rounds of 105mm? Could be a clue as to his intentions.

Hope he never has a ND with the tank. ("It just went off by itself, I swear. Sorry about the hole in the wall honey.")

Carry24x7 · March 21, 2002, 04:27 PM

Ok, so the guy had some gear.

Why are they confiscating it? Jealous?

MuzzleBlast · March 21, 2002, 04:31 PM

Woooo, automatic weapons AND machine guns! Wonder if he had any "banana clips" for those.

Apple a Day · March 21, 2002, 04:54 PM

That's not a tank- it's a high capacity SUV

Kharn · March 21, 2002, 05:38 PM

Damn man, I'll never beat that.
*Psssst!* Anyone got an Abrams for sale? What about a Bradley?

Kharn

Ceol Mhor · March 21, 2002, 06:21 PM

From what I recall of the reenactor market, $30,000-$50,000 can get you a Stuart or Sherman tank in running condition. The main gun might another story, though...and the gas milage on tanks is terrible. You might consider a US halftrack instead. Toss on a couple rail-mounted MGs and maybe a mortar in the back...

**4V50 Gary** · March 21, 2002, 06:30 PM

Der Fliegender Hollander! Any man who can smuggle a tank into a resort deserves our admiration.

George Hill · March 21, 2002, 07:33 PM

This man is a HERO!

GSB · March 21, 2002, 07:39 PM

For those so inclined to purchase a tank or, perhaps, a decommissioned Soviet missile truck (yeah, really!), this site is there to serve your military vehicle needs:

http://www.tanksforsale.co.uk/index.htm

UltimaThule · March 21, 2002, 08:08 PM

OK, buying a tank isn't a problem. The question is what to put in the application for the gun...

echo3mike · March 21, 2002, 08:17 PM

Remington 700ADL in 30.06
Remington 700VS in .308
HK USP-Full size in 9mm

VS.

Centurion tank.........

I am SO unworthy.

Hunter Rose · March 21, 2002, 08:22 PM

... if our wives loved us, they'd buy us Centurians!

Mine just informed me that she doesn't love me THAT much

Paul K · March 21, 2002, 08:30 PM

That HAS to be compensating for SOMTHING!!!!

blades67 · March 21, 2002, 08:35 PM

I like the way that man thinks!

flinch_of_gt · March 21, 2002, 08:50 PM

Random observations:

1. Who's responsible for policing up the brass out of that Centurion?

2. Does Dillon make a die set for the 105mm?

3. How much powder would it take to fill up one of those cases to capacity?

3a. Does Midway USA deliver powder by the ton?

3b. What would the HazMat fees be?

Gorthaur · March 21, 2002, 08:55 PM

Check out this guy's inventory: http://www.milvehtechfound.com/index.html

I'll be touring the place next month.

Nanaimo Barr · March 21, 2002, 10:54 PM

it ain't THAT hard.. Military Vehicles Collectors Clubs all over the whole world, I helped rebuild a Centurion in British Columbia a while back..(it was owned by a Artty type, I was the only zipper working on it..)

and as for moving it, flat bed. and a HUGE tarp (or set of tarps) who the hecks gonna figure it's a tank???

my hats off to the guy, hope he can beat the rap...

444 · March 22, 2002, 12:54 AM

Impressive. Unlike Shermans or half tracks the Centurian was a front line main battle tank at least as late as the 1980s (maybe the late 70s).
I hate to rain on this guy's parade but this story can be beat. I watched a show the other night on the History Channel about the Russian mob. A Russian mobster, running a strip joint in Florida, brokered the purchase of a Russian submarine with missles to a Columbian for 15 million dollars. They even went over to Russia and checked it out with the crew on board and were given the tour by the captain of the boat. That must be a hell of a way to lose your command. They made this sound like it was a sub that was actively serving in the Russian Navy and not something out of a boneyard.
One thing they didn't say that I would have liked to know is whether it was a diesel boat or a nuke. And what kind of missles were on it.

Benjamin · March 22, 2002, 01:10 AM

New cantidate for 'most/best toys owned'

coonan357 · March 22, 2002, 01:39 AM

the ammo stash was a box of 22lr in the cupboard . I want to see the bullet moulds hes using to find out if they are lee or lyman .

yorec · March 22, 2002, 02:25 AM

"Where'd he get a Centurian tank?" - Well don't look at me - I checked and mines still parked where I left it!

March 21, 2002, 11:41 AM	#1
C.R.Sam Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1999 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 12,858	Dutchman sets new standards for weapons stash. Got this from the London Times. Dutchman quizzed after tank find Dutch police are questioning a man after finding a Centurion tank and an arsenal of weapons in a boathouse in a small seaside town. A raid on the man's home in Noordwijkerhout uncovered more guns and "large amounts of ammunition", according to police, who say the 44-year-old man is believed to have purchased the tank for a collection, not to stage an attack. The confiscated arms include large calibre automatic weapons and machine guns. Investigators are trying to find out how he transported the massive British-made Centurion into the quiet resort.

March 21, 2002, 12:44 PM	#4
hksigwalther Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 1998 Location: NE OH, USA Posts: 3,198	"....Centurion tank...." Daaaaaang. __________________ - Ron V.

March 21, 2002, 01:18 PM	#5
Ledbetter Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2000 Location: California USA Posts: 4,533	"Large amounts of ammunition" Would that be 5,000 rounds of .30 caliber or 1,000 rounds of 105mm? Could be a clue as to his intentions. Hope he never has a ND with the tank. ("It just went off by itself, I swear. Sorry about the hole in the wall honey.")

March 21, 2002, 04:31 PM	#7
MuzzleBlast Senior Member Join Date: September 11, 2001 Location: Arkansas. Much better place since Bill and Hillary went home. Posts: 1,041	Woooo, automatic weapons AND machine guns! Wonder if he had any "banana clips" for those. __________________ Molwn labe!

March 21, 2002, 04:54 PM	#8
Apple a Day Senior Member Join Date: March 29, 2000 Location: Poquoson,Virginia Posts: 1,524	That's not a tank- it's a high capacity SUV __________________ THose who use arms well cultivate the Way and keep the rules. Thus they can govern in such a way as to prevail over the corrupt. - Sun Tzu, The Art of War

March 21, 2002, 12:17 PM	#2
ajaxinacan Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2000 Location: New Mexico Posts: 436	Me too. I demand to know just where he got the Centurion, and just how he transported and stored it without arousing suspicion. Also, are they taking anything in trade?

March 21, 2002, 12:30 PM	#3
buzz_knox Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 1999 Location: Knoxville, in the Free State of Tennesse Posts: 4,190	The Centurion had a 105mm, right? What's the M&S one shot stop rating for that?

March 21, 2002, 04:27 PM	#6
Carry24x7 Junior member Join Date: March 18, 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 196	Ok, so the guy had some gear. Why are they confiscating it? Jealous?

March 21, 2002, 05:38 PM	#9
Kharn Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,531	Damn man, I'll never beat that. Psssst! Anyone got an Abrams for sale? What about a Bradley? Kharn

March 21, 2002, 06:21 PM	#10
Ceol Mhor Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2001 Posts: 1,043	From what I recall of the reenactor market, $30,000-$50,000 can get you a Stuart or Sherman tank in running condition. The main gun might another story, though...and the gas milage on tanks is terrible. You might consider a US halftrack instead. Toss on a couple rail-mounted MGs and maybe a mortar in the back... __________________ "There goes as if deranged a German soldier, with burning helmet on his head, making horrible noises. A second, as though possessed, yells "Jews...weapons. Jews...weapons." - From an anonymous eyewitness' description of the first battle of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising

March 21, 2002, 06:30 PM	#11
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,850	Three huzzahs for Der Fliegender Hollander! Any man who can smuggle a tank into a resort deserves our admiration. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

March 21, 2002, 07:33 PM	#12
George Hill Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 14, 1998 Location: North Carolina Posts: 11,546	This man is a HERO! __________________ MAD OGRE

March 21, 2002, 07:39 PM	#13
GSB Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 939	For those so inclined to purchase a tank or, perhaps, a decommissioned Soviet missile truck (yeah, really!), this site is there to serve your military vehicle needs: http://www.tanksforsale.co.uk/index.htm __________________ GOA, NRA Life Member - "Freedom is not a 'loophole' "

March 21, 2002, 08:08 PM	#14
UltimaThule Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Norway Posts: 458	OK, buying a tank isn't a problem. The question is what to put in the application for the gun...

March 21, 2002, 08:17 PM	#15
echo3mike Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2000 Location: Chantilly, VA...Just barely behind the lines! Posts: 490	Remington 700ADL in 30.06 Remington 700VS in .308 HK USP-Full size in 9mm VS. Centurion tank......... I am SO unworthy. __________________ God, Country, Corps! "Only Accurate Rifles Are Interesting" Col. Townsend Whelen Por Libertate Patriae TFL Alumni

March 21, 2002, 08:22 PM	#16
Hunter Rose Senior Member Join Date: August 8, 2001 Location: 30 miles from Everywhere, right in the middle of Nowhere... Posts: 718	y'all know... ... if our wives loved us, they'd buy us Centurians! Mine just informed me that she doesn't love me THAT much __________________ No Child Should Live In Fear Airplane Pictures

March 21, 2002, 08:30 PM	#17
Paul K Senior Member Join Date: February 27, 2001 Location: Michigan Posts: 674	That HAS to be compensating for SOMTHING!!!!

March 21, 2002, 08:35 PM	#18
blades67 Senior Member Join Date: April 22, 1999 Location: Chandler, Arizona, USA Posts: 6,014	I like the way that man thinks! __________________ Guns cause crime like spoons cause Rosie O'Donnell to be fat! I hunt, therefore I am.

March 21, 2002, 08:50 PM	#19
flinch_of_gt Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2001 Location: Snow Bunny Country Posts: 371	Random observations: 1. Who's responsible for policing up the brass out of that Centurion? 2. Does Dillon make a die set for the 105mm? 3. How much powder would it take to fill up one of those cases to capacity? 3a. Does Midway USA deliver powder by the ton? 3b. What would the HazMat fees be? __________________ "If Plan A is taking multiple .308 hits to the back, I suggest a Plan B."

March 21, 2002, 08:55 PM	#20
Gorthaur Senior Member Join Date: January 19, 2000 Posts: 846	Check out this guy's inventory: http://www.milvehtechfound.com/index.html I'll be touring the place next month. __________________ 911 - Gov't-sponsored dial-a-prayer! Support the US Olympic Shooting Team! Protect your Right to Keep and Bear Arms!

March 21, 2002, 10:54 PM	#21
Nanaimo Barr Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2001 Location: North Idaho Posts: 1,024	it ain't THAT hard.. Military Vehicles Collectors Clubs all over the whole world, I helped rebuild a Centurion in British Columbia a while back..(it was owned by a Artty type, I was the only zipper working on it..) and as for moving it, flat bed. and a HUGE tarp (or set of tarps) who the hecks gonna figure it's a tank??? my hats off to the guy, hope he can beat the rap... __________________ "Question that Regulation, you might be suprised to find out it's Illegal"

March 22, 2002, 12:54 AM	#22
444 Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2000 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,968	Impressive. Unlike Shermans or half tracks the Centurian was a front line main battle tank at least as late as the 1980s (maybe the late 70s). I hate to rain on this guy's parade but this story can be beat. I watched a show the other night on the History Channel about the Russian mob. A Russian mobster, running a strip joint in Florida, brokered the purchase of a Russian submarine with missles to a Columbian for 15 million dollars. They even went over to Russia and checked it out with the crew on board and were given the tour by the captain of the boat. That must be a hell of a way to lose your command. They made this sound like it was a sub that was actively serving in the Russian Navy and not something out of a boneyard. One thing they didn't say that I would have liked to know is whether it was a diesel boat or a nuke. And what kind of missles were on it. __________________ You know the rest. In the books you have read How the British Regulars fired and fled, How the farmers gave them ball for ball, From behind each fence and farmyard wall, Chasing the redcoats down the lane, Then crossing the fields to emerge again Under the trees at the turn of the road, And only pausing to fire and load.

March 22, 2002, 01:10 AM	#23
Benjamin Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 1999 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 358	New cantidate for 'most/best toys owned'

March 22, 2002, 01:39 AM	#24
coonan357 Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2002 Location: in a state of confusion and disbelief ! Posts: 726	the ammo stash was a box of 22lr in the cupboard . I want to see the bullet moulds hes using to find out if they are lee or lyman . __________________ N.R.A. Lifer and proud of it ! You can't argue with a .357 Mag. Well, you can try, but you'll end up bleeding an aweful lot. -GEORGE HILL 4-08-2002 My Coonan is Not For Sale please do not ask!

March 22, 2002, 02:25 AM	#25
yorec Senior Member Join Date: February 2, 2000 Location: Wyoming Posts: 2,328	"Where'd he get a Centurian tank?" - Well don't look at me - I checked and mines still parked where I left it! __________________ What part of "... shall not be infringed..." don't you understand?