Do you believe that a weapon can have 288 barrels and fire one million rounds a minut

swabjocky · April 8, 2002, 08:37 PM

Well its possible.our gov. is spending millions on aussie research to produce a weapon that can do that and much more.It can hold both lethal and non lethal rounds.It can be loaded with different projectiles ranging from 9mm to 40 mm grenades.I read about it in guns and ammo may 2000, page 14. swab

C.R.Sam · April 8, 2002, 08:45 PM

Great standoff weapon for defending against demented ducks.

Sam

Tamara · April 8, 2002, 08:50 PM

Do a search here on TFL for "MetalStorm". Some interesting discussion over the last couple of years on this funky concept.

swabjocky · April 8, 2002, 09:35 PM

Thanks tamara, I found a lot of information on the gun. very interesting. swab

Mikul · April 9, 2002, 12:04 PM

Don't we use something like this on ships to shoot down incoming missiles?

NRA4life · April 9, 2002, 02:16 PM

Mikul

That's the Phalanx (sp?) system. It's a radar guided gatling gun.

NRA4LIFE

TexasVet · April 9, 2002, 11:49 PM

"and fire one million rounds a minut"

And ZERO rounds for the next hour while they are screwing off the old barrels and screwing in new, loaded ones!

Actually, I'm sure they have some kind of quick change arrangement, but think of the ammo train if you really want to get a lot of use out of it. And the bbls have to be factory loaded.

BTW, in John Ringo's third "Posleen Invasion" book, "When the Devil Dances" they have Abrams with 105mm Metalstorm multiple bbl mounts!!!

ctdonath · April 10, 2002, 02:51 PM

The "million rounds a minute" claim is a great example of lying with statistics: technically it is correct as an expression of firing rate, but fails to note that it will be fired only for a fraction of a second and will come nowhere close to actually firing a million rounds.

priv8ter · April 10, 2002, 02:59 PM

ctdonath hit the nail on the head. The article says that it fires 2400 rounds, at a rate of 1,000,000 rounds a minute. It's projectd use is as kind of a mobile minefield, a one time use ambush weapon with limited tactical use.

Vladimir_Berkov · April 11, 2002, 05:02 AM

It is pretty much like saying that an AK-47 fires 600 rounds per minute. While it may be true in theory, the magazine only holds 30 and it takes time to change 'em.

Calamity Jane · April 11, 2002, 06:32 AM

Hubby says he'd sure hate to reload for the thing.

"Shoot it on Sunday, load it for a lifetime."

DAVID NANCARROW · April 11, 2002, 07:30 AM

That would be some feat. An M-61 Vulcan, used in the majority of our fighter aircraft, does 6K/min out of 6 barrels, or 1K per barrel.
That is some technology must be something, but what I want to see is the press to load it with? Progressive??

HankB · April 11, 2002, 08:04 AM

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The "million rounds a minute" claim is a great example of lying with statistics: technically it is correct as an expression of firing rate, but fails to note that it will be fired only for a fraction of a second and will come nowhere close to actually firing a million rounds.

Consider a 3" 12 gauge round of #4 buck. Forty-one pellets will travel the length of a 30" barrel in about 5 milliseconds (maybe a little less). Forty one "bullets" in 5 milliseconds equates to a "rate" of 8200 "bullets" per second, or 492,000 per minute.

Switch to birdshot, and you'll beat Metalstorm by a considerable margin.

whizz · April 11, 2002, 08:48 AM

Seems to me a helluwa lot of reloading would occur...

Steel · April 11, 2002, 01:21 PM

I need one for home defense (hey, the city is a rough place!)

Bog · April 11, 2002, 04:51 PM

Two things:

I saw on Tomorrow's World (a fairly reasonable science proggie here in Blighty) a few years back a pulse weapon that did 1,000,000 rpm. Single barrel, made one hell of a crack. They also fired it at 600, 6,000 and 20,000 rpm - very impressive.

The thing I really liked on the MetalStorm site was the keyed gun - unless the hand holding it had a certain ring with a hidden transceiver, it simply could not fire. THAT is the gun I want for home defence. Leave one in every room, and when Johnny Perp bursts into my bedroom with it - LAUGH. And LAUGH HARD.

Ironbarr · April 11, 2002, 10:02 PM

I may have my decimal point in strange places, but this calculator indicates 16,666.66xxxx rounds/second - 2400 @ 1 meg/min = a total unload in .1440057 seconds.

Whether it is "battle" effective, is it cost effective? The thing must cost at least the price of a toilet seat (gold embossed, of course). One short burp and it sits there, done for the day?

Lot of flesh and blood fighting machines will be miffed about that - considering all the collateral work they put in for their $$$.$$.

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PaladinVC · April 11, 2002, 10:18 PM

I don't know if there are any Sluggy fans on TFL, but this thread reminded me of a comic from a few years ago:

http://www.sluggy.com/daily.php?date=981004

Waterdog · April 12, 2002, 01:00 AM

Just more waste of taxpayers money.

Waterdog

April 8, 2002, 08:37 PM	#1
swabjocky Senior Member Join Date: August 27, 2001 Location: upstate sc Posts: 384	Do you believe that a weapon can have 288 barrels and fire one million rounds a minut Well its possible.our gov. is spending millions on aussie research to produce a weapon that can do that and much more.It can hold both lethal and non lethal rounds.It can be loaded with different projectiles ranging from 9mm to 40 mm grenades.I read about it in guns and ammo may 2000, page 14. swab

April 8, 2002, 08:50 PM	#3
Tamara Moderator Emeritus Join Date: March 11, 2000 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 16,002	Do a search here on TFL for "MetalStorm". Some interesting discussion over the last couple of years on this funky concept. __________________ MOLON LABE! 2% Unobtainium, 98% Hypetanium. The Arms Room: An Online Museum.

April 9, 2002, 12:04 PM	#5
Mikul Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2000 Posts: 1,396	Don't we use something like this on ships to shoot down incoming missiles? __________________ There are two types of men: those with guns, and those at their mercy.

April 9, 2002, 11:49 PM	#7
TexasVet Senior Member Join Date: July 22, 2000 Location: DeepEastTexas Posts: 1,096	"and fire one million rounds a minut" And ZERO rounds for the next hour while they are screwing off the old barrels and screwing in new, loaded ones! Actually, I'm sure they have some kind of quick change arrangement, but think of the ammo train if you really want to get a lot of use out of it. And the bbls have to be factory loaded. BTW, in John Ringo's third "Posleen Invasion" book, "When the Devil Dances" they have Abrams with 105mm Metalstorm multiple bbl mounts!!! __________________ Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 68-70 You are What you do When it counts.

April 10, 2002, 02:59 PM	#9
priv8ter Senior Member Join Date: February 27, 2002 Location: Silverdale, Wa Posts: 356	Exactly ctdonath hit the nail on the head. The article says that it fires 2400 rounds, at a rate of 1,000,000 rounds a minute. It's projectd use is as kind of a mobile minefield, a one time use ambush weapon with limited tactical use. __________________ "Get a shot off fast. This upsets him long enough to make your second shot perfect" "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity" -Lazerus Long

April 8, 2002, 08:45 PM	#2
C.R.Sam Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1999 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 12,858	Great standoff weapon for defending against demented ducks. Sam

April 8, 2002, 09:35 PM	#4
swabjocky Senior Member Join Date: August 27, 2001 Location: upstate sc Posts: 384	metal storm Thanks tamara, I found a lot of information on the gun. very interesting. swab

April 9, 2002, 02:16 PM	#6
NRA4life Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2001 Location: WA Posts: 183	Mikul That's the Phalanx (sp?) system. It's a radar guided gatling gun. NRA4LIFE

April 10, 2002, 02:51 PM	#8
ctdonath Senior Member Join Date: April 11, 1999 Posts: 1,904	The "million rounds a minute" claim is a great example of lying with statistics: technically it is correct as an expression of firing rate, but fails to note that it will be fired only for a fraction of a second and will come nowhere close to actually firing a million rounds.

April 11, 2002, 05:02 AM	#10
Vladimir_Berkov Senior Member Join Date: September 1, 2001 Posts: 378	It is pretty much like saying that an AK-47 fires 600 rounds per minute. While it may be true in theory, the magazine only holds 30 and it takes time to change 'em.

April 11, 2002, 06:32 AM	#11
Calamity Jane Senior Member Join Date: March 13, 2001 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 899	Hubby says he'd sure hate to reload for the thing. "Shoot it on Sunday, load it for a lifetime." __________________ CJ “The world is a fine place and worth fighting for.” ~ Ernest Hemingway

April 11, 2002, 07:30 AM	#12
DAVID NANCARROW Senior Member Join Date: November 5, 2000 Location: Wyoming Posts: 1,761	That would be some feat. An M-61 Vulcan, used in the majority of our fighter aircraft, does 6K/min out of 6 barrels, or 1K per barrel. That is some technology must be something, but what I want to see is the press to load it with? Progressive??

April 11, 2002, 08:48 AM	#14
whizz Member Join Date: January 25, 2002 Location: sweden Posts: 93	Seems to me a helluwa lot of reloading would occur... __________________ "When you hear someone shout DUCK, do not do the quack-quack sound ..."

April 11, 2002, 01:21 PM	#15
Steel Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2000 Location: Texas Posts: 504	I need one for home defense (hey, the city is a rough place!)

April 11, 2002, 04:51 PM	#16
Bog Senior Member Join Date: March 16, 2002 Location: England. Where Great Britain used to be. Posts: 775	Two things: I saw on Tomorrow's World (a fairly reasonable science proggie here in Blighty) a few years back a pulse weapon that did 1,000,000 rpm. Single barrel, made one hell of a crack. They also fired it at 600, 6,000 and 20,000 rpm - very impressive. The thing I really liked on the MetalStorm site was the keyed gun - unless the hand holding it had a certain ring with a hidden transceiver, it simply could not fire. THAT is the gun I want for home defence. Leave one in every room, and when Johnny Perp bursts into my bedroom with it - LAUGH. And LAUGH HARD. __________________ Venetian Blinds: Sunlight with Scanlines.

April 11, 2002, 10:02 PM	#17
Ironbarr Senior Member Join Date: August 11, 2000 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 1,188	I may have my decimal point in strange places, but this calculator indicates 16,666.66xxxx rounds/second - 2400 @ 1 meg/min = a total unload in .1440057 seconds. Whether it is "battle" effective, is it cost effective? The thing must cost at least the price of a toilet seat (gold embossed, of course). One short burp and it sits there, done for the day? Lot of flesh and blood fighting machines will be miffed about that - considering all the collateral work they put in for their $$$.$$. . __________________ -AndyB FWTV - For Whatever The Value ...When seconds count, most help is just minutes away.

April 11, 2002, 10:18 PM	#18
PaladinVC Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2001 Location: Erie, PA Posts: 236	That reminds me of something... I don't know if there are any Sluggy fans on TFL, but this thread reminded me of a comic from a few years ago: http://www.sluggy.com/daily.php?date=981004 __________________ Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges. —The more corrupt the state is, the more numerous are the laws. (Tacitus, Annales)

April 12, 2002, 01:00 AM	#19
Waterdog Junior member Join Date: January 6, 2000 Location: AZ Posts: 1,236	Just more waste of taxpayers money. Waterdog