The good states

BlackRazor · August 12, 2002, 04:42 PM

Hey all, I was looking to get the final word on what states are good, and what states are bad, with respect to guns. I live in CA (that's bad) but will be moving soon and had some priorities.

Really good states must have all of the following:

Shall issue CCW permits (or Vermont style)
Class 3 is OK
Hi-cap magazines OK
Tracers and AP rounds OK

Really Bad states are states with ANY of the following:

bans on any type of "assault weapon"
bans on any type of magazine
bans on any type of handgun
local towns/cities that ban any of the above

Every other state is just "OK"

So far, the list of "bad states" seem to be as follows:

California (duh), Hawaii, New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Maryland, Washington DC (although not really a state), Connecticut, and Illinois.

Good states:

Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Nevada, Alaska.

Please feel free to suggest any additional criteria for a good state or bad state, and by all means, help me complete the list!

Hkmp5sd · August 12, 2002, 04:54 PM

Florida = GOOD state.

striker3 · August 12, 2002, 05:01 PM

Arizona=GOOD

Porter-Glockwell · August 12, 2002, 06:05 PM

Utah=GOOD

Oracle · August 12, 2002, 06:30 PM

Georgia is good according to your list as well. In fact, in Kennesaw, GA, every household is required by law to have a firearm on the premises. One little old lady didn't have enough money for a firearm, but didn't want to be in violation of the law, so the city council took up a collection and bought her one.

abrahamsmith · August 12, 2002, 06:36 PM

Wisconsin isn't good yet, but hopefully will be in a year. There are no restrictions at all EXCEPT for a 48 hr waiting period for buying handguns and no CCW. We recently even got state pre-emption.

We might be lucky enough to have CCW by the end of the year. If we don't have it in two or three years, we probably never will.

BlackRazor · August 12, 2002, 06:54 PM

So allow me to update the list:

Good:

Alabama
Wyoming
Montana
Alaska
Arizona
Utah
Florida
Idaho
Nevada
Georgia
Louisiana
Arkansas
Maine
Texas
Pennsylvania
Virginia
West Virginia
Oregon
Washington (state)
Kentucky
Oklahoma
South Carolina
Colorado
Tennessee
North Dakota
South Dakota
Vermont
Mississippi (provisional)

Bad:

California
Hawaii
New York
Massachusetts
New Jersey
Maryland
Washington DC
Connecticut
Illinois
Rhode Island
Ohio

Neutral:

Kansas
Missouri
Nebraska
Michigan
Delaware
North Carolina
Wisconsin

P.S. It's nice to see so many good states; I'm surprised.

spacemanspiff · August 12, 2002, 06:58 PM

theres only one state that pays out dividends to its permanent residents. guess how i'm going to be able to afford a nice garand this fall?

CZ Gunner · August 12, 2002, 06:58 PM

Louisiana = Very Good!

(Governer Foster recently RECOMMENDED that women learn to use handguns and buy them for self defense!)

BlackRazor · August 12, 2002, 07:37 PM

don't really bother me that much. Don't get me wrong, in an ideal world they wouldn't exist; but I'm willing to deal with waiting periods so long as there aren't any bans on mags and guns. I guess living in CA for so long has given me modest goals. I figure, when you own more than a dozen guns, who cares if you have to wait a few days for your next toy?

Also, I'll keep editing my earlier post to add more states to the "good" and "bad" lists, so that they can all be in one organized place.

Thanks for all the input so far, I appreciate it!

mattjoe · August 12, 2002, 07:49 PM

RI = Bad.
Very few are allowed to get a carry permit in RI.

WilderBill · August 12, 2002, 07:53 PM

Texas ain't bad either.
I do wish we had universal open carry, though.

cslinger · August 12, 2002, 07:55 PM

Tennessee ain't bad. Hell I am from Maryland originally so Tennessee is friggen heaven on earth.

Hemicuda · August 12, 2002, 07:56 PM

y'all can throw Michigan on the good side...

class 3 a bit harder to do, but doable... (or so I'm told...)

wiating periods are only a couple minutes (instant checks)

mags can be as large as you like, providing it was made before '94...

and CCW is "shall issue"...

and you can shoot ant ammo you can find, load, or conjure...

Radicalcleric · August 12, 2002, 08:01 PM

I'll second Utah as a great state for gun owners. Just don't try to get a drink there.

Live in Arkansas, now. Nothing's illegal. No waiting periods or prohibitions on private sales. Many gun shops openly display machine guns and silencers (although I was never into that sort of stuff). Permits are shall issue but expensive (about $250 by the time you get everything) and there are so many restrictions on where you can carry that it is not really all that useful.

Spackler · August 12, 2002, 08:25 PM

PA= Good, however former Philly mayor/DNC Chairman Ed Rendell is way ahead in the polls in the race for Governor, so things might take a bad turn come November.

King · August 12, 2002, 08:40 PM

Texas = good.....in terms of carry rules and laws and "justification to the defense of" laws.

BlackRazor · August 12, 2002, 08:42 PM

I didn't think that Tennessee, TX and PA were Class 3 friendly... but I guess they have shall issue CCW? If so I'll put them square in the good side of the list.

Also, are you sure Rhode Island is bad? I would have though it would have been neutral; not on the good list but also not on the bad list. Oh well, I'll put it in bad for now.

Remember, if a state prohibits CCW, it's not necessarily bad, it just can't be good. e.g. Kansas is OK.

jrsower · August 12, 2002, 08:44 PM

Quote:

MORMON LABE! (come get THESE Mormons)

Bwaahahahhahahahah!

Jamie Young · August 12, 2002, 09:03 PM

PA =gooder than most.

**Mike Irwin** · August 12, 2002, 09:08 PM

Pennsylvania good (yes, they have Class 3). That's where I shot my first machine guns.

Virginia good.

OF · August 12, 2002, 09:13 PM

Maine looks good so far (been here less than 3 weeks). Shall issue, class 3, open carry.

- Gabe

**tyme** · August 12, 2002, 09:30 PM

This doesn't fall [squarely] under the stated criteria for "bad", but "silencers" are illegal in VT. In effect, an mp5sd is illegal there.

spleenandideal · August 12, 2002, 10:25 PM

Pennsylvania is good..........

....But West-By-God-Virginia is soooooooooo much better!

Yakko77 · August 12, 2002, 10:45 PM

Nebraska = BAD!!!

No CCW here at all!!!

August 12, 2002, 04:42 PM	#1
BlackRazor Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2002 Posts: 169	The good states Hey all, I was looking to get the final word on what states are good, and what states are bad, with respect to guns. I live in CA (that's bad) but will be moving soon and had some priorities. Really good states must have all of the following: Shall issue CCW permits (or Vermont style) Class 3 is OK Hi-cap magazines OK Tracers and AP rounds OK Really Bad states are states with ANY of the following: bans on any type of "assault weapon" bans on any type of magazine bans on any type of handgun local towns/cities that ban any of the above Every other state is just "OK" So far, the list of "bad states" seem to be as follows: California (duh), Hawaii, New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Maryland, Washington DC (although not really a state), Connecticut, and Illinois. Good states: Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Nevada, Alaska. Please feel free to suggest any additional criteria for a good state or bad state, and by all means, help me complete the list!

August 12, 2002, 04:54 PM	#2
Hkmp5sd Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2001 Location: Winter Haven, Florida Posts: 4,303	Florida = GOOD state. __________________ NRA Certified Instructor: Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun, Home Safety, Personal Protection, Range Safety Officer NRA Life Member

August 12, 2002, 06:05 PM	#4
Porter-Glockwell Senior Member Join Date: November 9, 2000 Location: SLC, Utah Posts: 231	Utah=GOOD __________________ Zion's Camp An online community for LDS and friends of Mormon Patriots. MORMON LABE! (come get THESE Mormons)

August 12, 2002, 06:30 PM	#5
Oracle Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2001 Posts: 152	Georgia is good according to your list as well. In fact, in Kennesaw, GA, every household is required by law to have a firearm on the premises. One little old lady didn't have enough money for a firearm, but didn't want to be in violation of the law, so the city council took up a collection and bought her one. __________________ "Place your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark." -Robert Heinlein

August 12, 2002, 06:36 PM	#6
abrahamsmith Senior Member Join Date: October 5, 2000 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 177	Wisconsin isn't good yet, but hopefully will be in a year. There are no restrictions at all EXCEPT for a 48 hr waiting period for buying handguns and no CCW. We recently even got state pre-emption. We might be lucky enough to have CCW by the end of the year. If we don't have it in two or three years, we probably never will. __________________ Abe Smith, President of UW-Madison's Student Alliance for Firearm Education and Responsibility

August 12, 2002, 05:01 PM	#3
striker3 Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 1999 Location: So Cal Posts: 148	Arizona=GOOD

August 12, 2002, 06:54 PM	#7
BlackRazor Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2002 Posts: 169	Wow! There's so much out there outside of Kali So allow me to update the list: Good: Alabama Wyoming Montana Alaska Arizona Utah Florida Idaho Nevada Georgia Louisiana Arkansas Maine Texas Pennsylvania Virginia West Virginia Oregon Washington (state) Kentucky Oklahoma South Carolina Colorado Tennessee North Dakota South Dakota Vermont Mississippi (provisional) Bad: California Hawaii New York Massachusetts New Jersey Maryland Washington DC Connecticut Illinois Rhode Island Ohio Neutral: Kansas Missouri Nebraska Michigan Delaware North Carolina Wisconsin P.S. It's nice to see so many good states; I'm surprised. Last edited by BlackRazor; August 14, 2002 at 10:23 PM.

August 12, 2002, 06:58 PM	#8
spacemanspiff Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2002 Location: alaska Posts: 3,498	theres only one state that pays out dividends to its permanent residents. guess how i'm going to be able to afford a nice garand this fall? __________________ "Every man alone is sincere; at the entrance of a second person hypocrisy begins." - Ralph Waldo Emerson "People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use." - Soren Kierkegaard

August 12, 2002, 06:58 PM	#9
CZ Gunner Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 799	Louisiana = Very Good! (Governer Foster recently RECOMMENDED that women learn to use handguns and buy them for self defense!) __________________ Gunner "Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum." -- Vegitius, c. 375 AD

August 12, 2002, 07:37 PM	#10
BlackRazor Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2002 Posts: 169	waiting periods... don't really bother me that much. Don't get me wrong, in an ideal world they wouldn't exist; but I'm willing to deal with waiting periods so long as there aren't any bans on mags and guns. I guess living in CA for so long has given me modest goals. I figure, when you own more than a dozen guns, who cares if you have to wait a few days for your next toy? Also, I'll keep editing my earlier post to add more states to the "good" and "bad" lists, so that they can all be in one organized place. Thanks for all the input so far, I appreciate it!

August 12, 2002, 07:49 PM	#11
mattjoe Senior Member Join Date: January 19, 2001 Location: in my house or at the gun club Posts: 109	RI = Bad. Very few are allowed to get a carry permit in RI.

August 12, 2002, 07:53 PM	#12
WilderBill Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 610	Texas ain't bad either. I do wish we had universal open carry, though. __________________ I reserve the right to keep AND arm bears. Support those who support us.

August 12, 2002, 07:55 PM	#13
cslinger Senior Member Join Date: July 14, 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 2,045	Tennessee ain't bad. Hell I am from Maryland originally so Tennessee is friggen heaven on earth. __________________ "Is there anyway I can write my local gun store off on my taxes as dependents?"

August 12, 2002, 07:56 PM	#14
Hemicuda Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2001 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,757	y'all can throw Michigan on the good side... class 3 a bit harder to do, but doable... (or so I'm told...) wiating periods are only a couple minutes (instant checks) mags can be as large as you like, providing it was made before '94... and CCW is "shall issue"... and you can shoot ant ammo you can find, load, or conjure... __________________ Hemi. gun and car collector. Rare cars, and rarer guns.

August 12, 2002, 08:01 PM	#15
Radicalcleric Senior Member Join Date: November 21, 2001 Posts: 645	I'll second Utah as a great state for gun owners. Just don't try to get a drink there. Live in Arkansas, now. Nothing's illegal. No waiting periods or prohibitions on private sales. Many gun shops openly display machine guns and silencers (although I was never into that sort of stuff). Permits are shall issue but expensive (about $250 by the time you get everything) and there are so many restrictions on where you can carry that it is not really all that useful.

August 12, 2002, 08:25 PM	#16
Spackler Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 1999 Location: Central PA, USA Posts: 367	PA= Good, however former Philly mayor/DNC Chairman Ed Rendell is way ahead in the polls in the race for Governor, so things might take a bad turn come November.

August 12, 2002, 08:40 PM	#17
King Senior Member Join Date: May 11, 2002 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 297	Texas = good.....in terms of carry rules and laws and "justification to the defense of" laws. __________________ "King"

August 12, 2002, 08:42 PM	#18
BlackRazor Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2002 Posts: 169	I didn't think that Tennessee, TX and PA were Class 3 friendly... but I guess they have shall issue CCW? If so I'll put them square in the good side of the list. Also, are you sure Rhode Island is bad? I would have though it would have been neutral; not on the good list but also not on the bad list. Oh well, I'll put it in bad for now. Remember, if a state prohibits CCW, it's not necessarily bad, it just can't be good. e.g. Kansas is OK.

August 12, 2002, 09:03 PM	#20
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	PA =gooder than most. __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!

August 12, 2002, 09:08 PM	#21
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	Pennsylvania good (yes, they have Class 3). That's where I shot my first machine guns. Virginia good. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

August 12, 2002, 09:13 PM	#22
OF Senior Member Join Date: April 11, 2000 Posts: 2,239	Maine looks good so far (been here less than 3 weeks). Shall issue, class 3, open carry. - Gabe

August 12, 2002, 09:30 PM	#23
tyme Staff Join Date: October 13, 2001 Posts: 3,355	This doesn't fall [squarely] under the stated criteria for "bad", but "silencers" are illegal in VT. In effect, an mp5sd is illegal there. __________________ “The egg hatched...” “...the egg hatched... and a hundred baby spiders came out...” (blade runner) “Who are you?” “A friend. I'm here to prevent you from making a mistake.” “You have no idea what I'm doing here, friend.” “In specific terms, no, but I swore an oath to protect the world...” (continuum) “It's a goal you won't understand until later. Your job is to make sure he doesn't achieve the goal.” (bsg)

August 12, 2002, 10:25 PM	#24
spleenandideal Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 1998 Location: I-77, USA Posts: 522	Pennsylvania is good.......... ....But West-By-God-Virginia is soooooooooo much better! __________________ "Be mindful of the living force" 'spleenandideal' here is 'agony' everywhere else....

August 12, 2002, 10:45 PM	#25
Yakko77 Senior Member Join Date: March 30, 2002 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 137	NE Nebraska = BAD!!! No CCW here at all!!! __________________ Gun control is a steady hand. "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin