Concealed carry of an AOW?

SkaerE · October 1, 2002, 12:13 PM

in Virginia? this is kinda an "interesting idea" more than a realistic option. just want to see if it is legal. might be ok for the truck...or in wintertime

in Virginia, you are allowed to carry a "handgun", it is a handgun permit, not a weapons permit etc.

aparantly a shotgun with a pistol grip and barrel under 18'' is a "smooth-bore pistol" - obviously one that follows other AOW rules as well (NEVER had a stock etc)

this qualify as a "handgun"?

just wondering...

tetchaje · October 1, 2002, 12:52 PM

It is legal in Utah, but you definitely need to check your local laws on that one.

Dave R · October 1, 2002, 01:26 PM

State laws on this vary widely. My understanding, which may not be accurate, is that in Idaho, you have a Concealed WEAPONS Permit, which allows you to carry any legal weapon, concealed.

Don't try this in CA.

Hkmp5sd · October 1, 2002, 08:49 PM

Florida's "Concealed Weapon License" specifically prohibits carrying a machinegun, but makes no reference is AOWs.

David Park · October 1, 2002, 10:38 PM

If the AOW is defined as a handgun under VA law, you should be OK. However, VA Code § 18.2-299 includes:
"Sawed-off' shotgun" applies to any weapon, loaded or unloaded, originally designed as a shoulder weapon, utilizing a self-contained cartridge from which a number of ball shot pellets or projectiles may be fired simultaneously from a smooth or rifled bore by a single function of the firing device and which has a barrel length of less than eighteen inches for smooth bore weapons and sixteen inches for rifled weapons. Weapons of less than .225 caliber shall not be included.

You might argue that the Serbu Super-Shorty was not "originally designed as a shoulder weapon", but I doubt that would fly in court. You can always write the Attorney General and ask.

If you do, ask him where I can get one of those sawed-off .22 shotguns.

BTW, even though registered silencers and full-auto handguns are legal in Virginia, I'm pretty sure they are illegal to carry even with a permit. I just can't find the cite at the moment.

edit:
"Handgun" is defined in several parts of the VA Code as "any pistol or revolver or other firearm originally designed, made and intended to fire a projectile by means of an explosion from one or more barrels when held in one hand." However, in the CCW law, handgun is defined as "any pistol or revolver or other firearm, except a machine gun, originally designed, made and intended to fire a projectile by means of an explosion of a combustible material from one or more barrels when held in one hand" (emphasis added). The Super Shorty is still a judgment call, depending on whether it's designed to be used one-handed or two-handed (it does need to be pumped, after all).

Also, silenced pistols are considered "assault firearms" and cannot be carried in urban areas (§18.2-287.4) or by aliens (§18.2-308.2:01).

KAMPILAN · October 2, 2002, 07:33 AM

Not entirely too sure of the particular statute, but there is one that prohibits the "offensive" use of a machine gun (although personally idon't think that MGs are offensive at all. They're actually kinda fun

)b but does not reference AOWs IIRC. I'd check on packing.org......

October 1, 2002, 12:13 PM	#1
SkaerE Senior Member Join Date: July 22, 2001 Location: Va Posts: 166	Concealed carry of an AOW? in Virginia? this is kinda an "interesting idea" more than a realistic option. just want to see if it is legal. might be ok for the truck...or in wintertime in Virginia, you are allowed to carry a "handgun", it is a handgun permit, not a weapons permit etc. aparantly a shotgun with a pistol grip and barrel under 18'' is a "smooth-bore pistol" - obviously one that follows other AOW rules as well (NEVER had a stock etc) this qualify as a "handgun"? just wondering...

October 1, 2002, 01:26 PM	#3
Dave R Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2000 Location: Idaho Posts: 6,073	State laws on this vary widely. My understanding, which may not be accurate, is that in Idaho, you have a Concealed WEAPONS Permit, which allows you to carry any legal weapon, concealed. Don't try this in CA. __________________ I am Pro-Rights (on gun issues).

October 1, 2002, 08:49 PM	#4
Hkmp5sd Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2001 Location: Winter Haven, Florida Posts: 4,303	Florida's "Concealed Weapon License" specifically prohibits carrying a machinegun, but makes no reference is AOWs. __________________ NRA Certified Instructor: Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun, Home Safety, Personal Protection, Range Safety Officer NRA Life Member

October 1, 2002, 10:38 PM	#5
David Park Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 2001 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 1,224	If the AOW is defined as a handgun under VA law, you should be OK. However, VA Code § 18.2-299 includes: "Sawed-off' shotgun" applies to any weapon, loaded or unloaded, originally designed as a shoulder weapon, utilizing a self-contained cartridge from which a number of ball shot pellets or projectiles may be fired simultaneously from a smooth or rifled bore by a single function of the firing device and which has a barrel length of less than eighteen inches for smooth bore weapons and sixteen inches for rifled weapons. Weapons of less than .225 caliber shall not be included. You might argue that the Serbu Super-Shorty was not "originally designed as a shoulder weapon", but I doubt that would fly in court. You can always write the Attorney General and ask. If you do, ask him where I can get one of those sawed-off .22 shotguns. BTW, even though registered silencers and full-auto handguns are legal in Virginia, I'm pretty sure they are illegal to carry even with a permit. I just can't find the cite at the moment. edit: "Handgun" is defined in several parts of the VA Code as "any pistol or revolver or other firearm originally designed, made and intended to fire a projectile by means of an explosion from one or more barrels when held in one hand." However, in the CCW law, handgun is defined as "any pistol or revolver or other firearm, except a machine gun, originally designed, made and intended to fire a projectile by means of an explosion of a combustible material from one or more barrels when held in one hand" (emphasis added). The Super Shorty is still a judgment call, depending on whether it's designed to be used one-handed or two-handed (it does need to be pumped, after all). Also, silenced pistols are considered "assault firearms" and cannot be carried in urban areas (§18.2-287.4) or by aliens (§18.2-308.2:01). __________________ Libertarian for Bush '04 Last edited by David Park; October 1, 2002 at 11:01 PM.

October 1, 2002, 12:52 PM	#2
tetchaje Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2002 Location: Utah Posts: 234	It is legal in Utah, but you definitely need to check your local laws on that one.

October 2, 2002, 07:33 AM	#6
KAMPILAN Member Join Date: February 26, 1999 Posts: 28	Not entirely too sure of the particular statute, but there is one that prohibits the "offensive" use of a machine gun (although personally idon't think that MGs are offensive at all. They're actually kinda fun )b but does not reference AOWs IIRC. I'd check on packing.org......