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Old September 11, 2001, 04:00 PM   #251
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Old September 11, 2001, 04:30 PM   #252
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Jody,

You beat me to the punch. I was just rounding up the same figures.
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Old September 11, 2001, 04:37 PM   #253
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Old September 11, 2001, 04:39 PM   #254
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Hijackers were armed with "knives and cardboard cutters" according to CNN. A lady inside the plane called out from her cellphone.

Also, gas prices taking a monstrous hike to $2-4 a gallon in several states.
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Old September 11, 2001, 04:42 PM   #255
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I think I am going to go rent the movie THE SIEGE to see what happens next.
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Old September 11, 2001, 04:46 PM   #256
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David, I just heard the same thing on local radio here in Idaho, too. Gas prices rising a lot, and people in line.

Haven't been out to confirm...
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Old September 11, 2001, 04:49 PM   #257
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All,

The basic principle we must support right now is unity.

Let each pray to whatever diety he reveres and let those who have no diety do what they want to gain strength.

But let each and every one of us follow our religious beliefs without interference from each other.

It is freedom OF religion - not freedom FROM religion. If that's wrong for you, skip it in the name of unity - as many of us do.

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Old September 11, 2001, 04:53 PM   #258
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CNN- 5:55PM
Kabul Afganistan is under attack.
Several explosions are going off in the background behind the CNN reporter.
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Old September 11, 2001, 04:54 PM   #259
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Maxinquaye,

Thank you for keeping it civil. I hope we are much clearer on what I meant by my post.



Thumper,

The America of today is a very faint shadow of the America I grew up loving.

We have reaped what we have sown, and I am NOT pleased with it. But, I feel that we can not do justice to justice by NOT looking at ourselves. Even now, we look for outside sources for our troubles.

Something about weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth...
It usually happens when I am forced to introspection and hate what I find within.

It was just a matter of time.
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Old September 11, 2001, 04:55 PM   #260
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Dave, I was out at lunch, dropping by Red Cross (they have a one week waiting list already for donations, which is good I suppose). Gas is up around 6-10 cents, last time I was out. I don't expect it to go insane, but it wouldn't surprise me if it creeps up a little more for a few weeks.

-K

Oh -- Red Cross is on Phillipi and Franklin in Boise. Good idea to go...
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Old September 11, 2001, 04:57 PM   #261
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John...understood and agreed.

Admiration might have been a poor choice of words, but I think I understand what you meant.

What's this about explosions in Kabul??
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Old September 11, 2001, 05:01 PM   #262
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Old September 11, 2001, 05:09 PM   #263
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Please, Please, Please.....
Let the explosions in Kabul be a response by GWB. And let us find that he was acting on information that has not yet been released to us. No Congress, No Media, No Debate......
Just Simple American Response.....our FIRST.

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Old September 11, 2001, 05:09 PM   #264
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John - Glad we could work this out - I think it was more of a vocabulary thing...

Rich - You are too gracious - thank you.
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Old September 11, 2001, 05:16 PM   #265
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(paraphrase from CNN)

"...several busloads of reporters are on the way to be briefed by Sec. Rumsfeld"

...timing is right to explain a quick retaliation...

(fingers crossed)
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Old September 11, 2001, 05:23 PM   #266
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Removed erroneous message.

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Old September 11, 2001, 05:27 PM   #267
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No,

fox, cnn and other reporting defense folk saying the kabul is not us. That's NOT
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Old September 11, 2001, 05:28 PM   #268
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DAMNDAMNDAMN

Wolf Blitzer just said it's NOT retaliation...
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Old September 11, 2001, 05:48 PM   #269
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Sec. Rumsfeld giving an address on CNN:
US has no involvement in the action going on in Kabul.
(sorry. missed the above posts.)
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Old September 11, 2001, 05:51 PM   #270
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Patience Maxin ... the ball is just starting to roll.

Better they first establish valid targets, then act. A retaliation in haste, that unduly puts civilian targets in danger, makes us no better than them. There's no way whoever did this is going to survive unscathed, of that we can we certain.

For now.. God Bless us All. It's going to be a hard ride for a while...

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Old September 11, 2001, 06:11 PM   #271
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Gas in Mass (attleboro), still $1.40-1.45 (@ 7:00PM). I figured Irun out after the comment about gas prices rising

My prayers to all the people killed and injured today.

I hope we (the US) do something! It's time to take off the gloves!
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Old September 11, 2001, 06:46 PM   #272
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NYFD reports approx 200 firemen dead/missing

NYPD reports 78 Officers dead/missing

Richard Holbroke says that any country that harbors terrorists must be considered At War with the US. That opens thing wide open.

NOw he says that anyone that doesn't help should be considered an enemy! YIKES!
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Old September 11, 2001, 06:52 PM   #273
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It`s been revised.

Fox reports 250 FDNY missing, 200 NYPD. Wait until the civilian casualty reports are finalized. It will boggle the mind.
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Old September 11, 2001, 07:12 PM   #274
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Gas went from $1.70 to $2.10 today here, it's $2.79 20 miles down the road. They say it's around $3.00 in Lincoln, IL, so I imagine it's higher in Chicago.

My mother was evacuated from an Illinois state government building today and stopped for gas on the way home. She warned me earlier that the clerk at the local station was on the phone with someone who warned that all oil imports would be cut off. I haven't heard that reported anywhere else, but at least in Illinois, they seem to be pricing on that assumption.

Congratulations on your handling of this thread so far, everyone. I didn't get to check in until 4:00 and wasn't sure what I'd find. I should have known better--this is TFL.
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Old September 11, 2001, 07:24 PM   #275
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Admitedly, as much as 40,000 gallons of fuel makes a very large molotov but also, even in a tower fire inferno like these I am unable to see how a fuel fire can take down that much steel and concrete so effectively TWICE.
The answer is very simple, it didn't. What it did is weaken the structure and let gravity do the rest. It only needed one part of the reinforced concrete to fail for the whole thing to come down. That is the reason why the building imploded. Those bastards knew what they where doing.

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