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April 27, 2008, 07:40 PM | #151 |
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I have motion detectors now that let me know in my house if someone is approaching. While in bed, I just turn on the TV when the alarm goes off to see if there is someone approaching, I added cameras outside as well. I keep an 870 18" pump with a Knoxx Spec Ops stock and tactical light mounted under the tube with a touch switch, and 5 rounds of TAP 00 buck and one #7 birdshot after that. I also keep a Firestar .45 loaded with Rem. GS 230 gr. HP's and a Glock 23 with 3 mags full of 180gr. TAP. Always have a Surefire 6p by the bed and with me anytime I do carry. If my doorbell rings at night, I'm ready as family and friends always call first. Even before the burglary, anyone who knows me at all knows I very much frown on surprise visits.
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I know that wasn't my quote that you quoted, but my post did state that I don't mean to target or offend anyone. Carry at will, I'll never knock you for carrying, I just stated where I live people who knew me would think I needed a padded room or a prescription for Valium if I were to be known to carry 24/7. Wait a minute, maybe I can get some Valium out of this!
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I carry 24-7 for safety reasons.Yes,safety reasons!
My Firearms are a part of me.They became such as a youth.The military taught me the same.I have no trouble living with one and do feel something is missing if it is not on me.Except for when I shower,I carry.When I shower my firearm is within arms reach.I eat,I sleep,I live carrying EXCEPT where or when it is unlawful,such as when I have ANY alcohol or legal narcotics for pain.I also carry a whistle,emergency keys and a WW2 P-38 around my neck on a cord that I shower with to keep clean.I also keep a phone within arms reach 24 hours a day when someone is not within speaking distance.And no it does not interfere with my sex life that I can tell!
Statistics are in MY favor when it comes to auto accidents,head injures,fires,eye injures,toes crushed and on and on.YET I and billions more wear safety equipment to prevent such every day.It does prevent millions of injures every year.Folks DO NOT get hurt by things that they believe will happen.They get hurt by things that they do not believe will happen.After all,who of us is dumb enough to something that you know will kill you unless you are suicidal? SAFETY! I am 62,almost 63.Being I ain't smart or brilliant like some,I learn by experience.These views are what I have learned from experience. I have a close friend who let his Sister in his home who was accompanied with a unknown woman.He found out the hard way that the sister had a gun in her back.A male companion waited in the car until entrance was gained.My friend and his pregnant wife were robbed at gun point and under threat of death.They were tied up and left laying on the floor.As the strange woman left,she shot my friends 8 months pregnant wife in the stomach "Just for fun" and locked the door on the way out.The sister was taken along as a hostage.Due to a uncle coming to visit,hearing the thumping of feet,and opening the door as he knew where the key was,his wife and unborn child lived.His sister survived the shootout with law enforcement.The man did not.The woman who shot his wife surrendered after running out of ammo.She then threw up her hands and claimed to be a victim of her dead companion.I have been told that this woman is out now.Perhaps your loved one is next.This happened in rural Bryan County Georgia.Look it up if you wish. A local Craftsman who once built my boat was murdered when he answered his front door.All for his car keys to steal his car.This happened in Falkville which is divided by the county line between Effingham & Chatham county Georgia.Look it up if you wish. I had a elderly school teacher and her husband who lived in rural Effingham County Georgia.They were robbed and beaten 3 different times by the same 3 intruders who bragged that they would be back each time.They did.They strung the time periods out and came as they wished.The couple gave up and moved off of the family farm.Look it up if you wish. About two months ago,I was sleeping in my Easy Chair.About 1.00 am I woke to my dogs barking and someone fumbling at my front door.I hollered" If you don't come in that door,I won't blow you back out of it".They believed.They quit.They left.I heard a car leave quickly.I went to my door,opened it and shut the locked screen door that had been snatched open.I noticed my street light out.No,I did not bother my local law enforcement as I could not ID.them,I could prove no laws were broken.I did tell my electric company what happened and they replaced the damaged bulb in my street light. There are a lot of folk on these forums.We all know that the odds alone mean that we have to have a very diverse bunch of people.Look at the names folk call each other!Some have to be right by the odds alone.How many post under the influence of different drugs?I believe that some make it pretty plain how they feel about certain illegal drugs.The united States Government makes it pretty plain about the laws on the form you sign to buy a firearm.Some on here sound like folks that I have known that did break these laws. Dogs?I was raised with packs of dogs in the dog hunting rural south.I have never seen any two dogs that I did not think that I could kill suddenly as a teen stark buck naked.I can toll any dog or pack of dogs to any fence of my choice with a rope and a Bitch in heat.Even neutered and spayed.I can poison or kill your dog or dogs at my convenience,and make it look natural or a accident.I love dogs.I do not do these things.Our military and the military of other countries teach certain military personnel how to take out dogs.There are thousands of folk who can take care of your dog no matter how well trained or how many. Weird?Has anyone ever known weird folk that did not think others were weird?I have not. Take a person who feels like a prisoner in his own home if he wears a firearm in it and believes that ones that do wear one at home suffer from paranoia.WOW!Either of these thoughts will send me to my mental health center for help.I surely hope folk who feel and think like this think I need help for wearing mine indoors and not feeling like a prisoner in my home with or without it.I really do.Nothing personal,but I honestly feel this way. Now folk who are educated,successful and quit their job to assume a very successful "James Bond" undercover role to benefit our country,yet felt a prisoner in their homes when wearing a gun.Well I do wonder if he mentioned it,they sent him to a shrink,and they retired him suddenly.Especially if he added that thing about folks who wear a gun at home being paranoid folks.I also wonder how a successful white collar worker could quit and go into the dangerous and all that was listed to be a undercover man unless he was already involved and pretty well established in the criminal business.Most have to have years of training.The undercover folk generally keep as low profile as possible during and for the rest of their lives.Most of the ones who brag of it seem to have been so deep undercover that only they ever knew of it. To be such,have the courage and bravery that such takes and yet to feel a prisoner in your home IF you are armed?WOW! I have no understanding. I see nothing wrong if a Japanese female wishes to vacuum with firearms and a naked Gaijin present.I see nothing wrong with a naked Gaijin wishing to have firearms at the places of his choice in his home.I see nothing wrong with this naked Gaijin roaming his home admiring his firearms while the lady vacuums with a firearm dangling from any part of his body if he so chooses. I do not understand a person bringing up statistics about people you know being the ones most likely to commit a violate crime on anyone.I say SO?If you ain't going to shoot someone that you know for committing the same crime that you would shoot a stranger for doing,does not this make you a common murderer?I personally think that anyone who thinks knowing someone gives you the right to assault them with immunity not granted to strangers is on the way to a assault and prison or a graveyard. I have known people and I have had and do have folk that are kin and I love.They have been told and they know that I will do my best to kill them on sight if I see them in my home.They have chosen to live a life that leaves them a danger to their selves and everyone else and have been told to stay out.I will not allow them to endanger or kill anyone in my home.Sorry later is no help and they refuse to accept any responsibility for any of their actions. I was taught and do believe that there is a time to run and a time to stand when under fire.I have done both armed and unarmed as I thought best at the time.I have also stayed out of a gunfight when I did not know who was who doing the shooting.Cops are people.I was raised with them.I know better than to believe someone because he is a Cop or a Preacher.I personally know better.I also believe only a fool will believe he is John Wayne and should draw because he is armed.It can get you killed.I noticed no such consideration was taken on the big talk about the big talking fellow losing his guns.I was not there so I have no way of knowing if he did the correct and smart thing or he froze. I have not condemned anyone on here.I stated my thoughts and beliefs.I really do hope some on here think the same way about me that I do about about some of you. I think the human race is a Joke including you and I.I think that folk who take their selves seriously enough to DEMAND that others do too are the most comical of all.We tell the world much about ourselves when we post.Often far more than we think. Most folk tell a lie long enough,they start believing it their selves.Now where else are you or I going to get this kind of entertainment for this price?I do love it when you all make me laugh.Think about it.read it again,and laugh with me.Thanks. I do think many trust their lives and the lives of their families to a Paper Tiger that dwells only in their minds. I AIN'T DEAD AND I AIN'T QUITTING is one more reason I carry 24-7-365(366 on leap year)alfred |
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Nobody need carry a weapon that pokes them in the ribs all day so they can't wait to take it off. Anybody can find a compfy arrangement if they wish. In fact, my carry is comfortable enough so that I'm in no hurry to disarm myself when I come home. Do I expect sudden unforseen trouble? Nope. I live in a nice neighborhood. Things like that just don't happen here. Same as for people in my community who had their homes invaded in their nice neighborhoods where that just doesn't happen. Seems that such incidents aren't confined anymore to the bad neighborhoods. As somebody mentioned, it's those of us who have nice homes, drive nice cars, and have Credit cards that can quickly access money from ATM's, while someone holds a gun to our loved ones' heads. Of course, the odds are it won't be us---right? Bottom line. If you don't want to be armed at home--don't be. No need to makes excuses to justify it. |
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So open another pack and light up and tell me how you're ready for anything that comes bursting through that door (except when you're sleeping, showering, or doing other things that prohibit you from carrying, which seems to constitute a majority of time you're at home) and how your life is worth defending, while you take steps to undermine the "preparation" you are undertaking. Quote:
Nevertheless, the rest of us still think he looks like a tool. Sure its his right, and sure he has a "reason", but as is clearly the case with my friend, reasons, can be silly or stupid. Pointing out that such reasoning is silly has nothing to do with preparation, and everything to do with the fact that sometimes people do silly things.
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Well, as a stereotypical Large Hairy Barbarian...
I don't really feel like I need to carry in my house. I can pick something up from where it sits generally faster than I can figure out the rest of the dance... If someone can make it through the steel front door faster than I can get to a buck-loaded 12 gauge, I don't think the shotgun is gonna make a whole heckuva lot of difference...
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April 28, 2008, 08:03 AM | #160 |
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It's threads like this that emphasize why letting someone dictate what is "necessary or needed" for another person is a dangerous idea.
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April 28, 2008, 08:42 AM | #161 |
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My beliefs are simple ... Everyone has the god given inherent right to protect themselves. It is my take that for me to defend myself in these times a weapon for protection is a very prudent piece of protection. I also believe that anyone using or carrying a weapon should be required to take a weapons use course of some type. I have seen the all to true of shooting yourself in the foot saying come true on more than a few occasions for the simple fact of the people just not knowing what the hell they were doing.
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I carry all the time, even into the bathroom. During my years in the 75th Ranger Regiment and the Ranger Training Brigade I had it constantly drilled into my head that you never let your weapon out of your hands reach. Used to sleep cuddling my M249 Squad Automatic Weapon (5.56 belt fed machine gun)
as if it were my bride, LOL! So having retired from the military I carry on that lesson learned and have an array of nasty weapons should any punks think about entering my castle. Speaking of which I am trying to petition my state to enact the Castle Doctrine law since other states are realizing we cannot and should not depend on law enforcement to protect us. |
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Yeah sure i carry at home. It has nothing to do with paranoia or stats, or comfort. It's just easier to put the belt on and leave it on rather than putting it on & off all he time or worrying if people think I'm para or not.
The gun keeps my pants up! My belt has stretched from constant gun/holster use so if'n I take it off my pants are loose... |
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yes usually. I keep my Berreta .32acp in my pocket of vest, jacket or pants if I'm outside for any lenght of time. I keep my Makarov handy inside the door I went out.
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The statistical arguments, once again, seem to argue that the most common outcome is the one that always happens.
Since the most common DGU outcome is no shots fired - all those who carry ammo are paranoid fools. So what. As I've said before, you make a reasoned estimate about the most extreme risk you want to be prepared for and act accordingly.
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People who use the stats to justify this are pointing to a ridiculously small number and saying, "yeah its small but the consequences could mean my life". I get that as well. However there are other stats that say that for every 10 miles over the speed limit you drive, your chances of a fatal accident are doubled. The same with people who have had alcohol, even if its under the legal limit. The same with people who eat like crap, drink too much (which you shouldn't do at all if you have gun on) , smoke and do other things that are hazardous. My entire point this whole time is that people are justifying carrying because it may save their life, are doing it out of a fear they they may be injured or killed. Yet, were guns aren't concerned, they do things that place their life in just as much detriment, and intentionally face a greater statistical threat of death and thats perfectly fine. This is both inconsistent and hypocritical. Sure you can do this, but the argument "I'm doing it because there is a chance I might be hurt or killed" isn't valid when you do things that put you at greater risk of the same harm. Quote:
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I wish JohnKSa and Stage 2 would give it a rest. The "I said", then "He said" exchange is getting tiresome. Neither has cited any stats with legs!
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This seems to be a "What if game"for some.
I am trying to relate here.I know what Sandals(Jesus shoes)are and I can see where they would be hard to attach a firearm.I have no idea what "boardshorts"are.Could someone clue me in.
Also.I failed to mention in my earlier post.A intruder could most likely get to most guns stashed or locked up in my home before I can,being that I am a old cripple.Being my firearm is a part of me,I have eliminated arming intruders in my home with my guns.I do not find this socially acceptable or safe.I do not remember when I felt"safe or unsafe"anywhere as I never remember thinking like that when home or being fired at.Thanks. I AIN'T DEAD AND I AIN'T QUITTING.alfred |
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Do you carry at home - Why do people feel safe at home?
Several large dogs told me they would provide my first line of home security in exchange for ear scratching, kind words, and Old Roy.
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It is on now. If it is off, it is on the desk or in the chair. My policy is never put a door between me & my gun.
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I don't personally carry at home for a variety of boring reasons, but for crying out loud, why are the people that choose not to carry at home so obnoxious, and vitriolic against those that choose to do so.
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On top of that, your argument TOTALLY and COMPLETELY ignores the fact that there are more people involved than the person carrying the firearm. Sorry honey, I could have had my gun on me, prevented the home invasion and defended you and the kids but STAGE2 would have called me a hypocrite since I'm overweight and don't want to diet. You've attempted to construct an argument based on:
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