Felonious Stupid

seanc · April 10, 2024, 08:50 AM

There ought to be a "Felonious Stupid" law.

In summary: 2 guys keep each other sharp with "vigilance drills" which sometimes means they point a gun at the other guy. The gun "usually" has dummy rounds. 1 guy gets shot, no charges for the shooting other than child endangerment because there's kids in the room when this nonsense was going on.

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/lo...-deputies-say/

I didn't know if I should post this in the Tactics and Training section or here

.

**Aguila Blanca** · April 10, 2024, 11:13 AM

I moved this to "General Discussion." It doesn't belong in "Law & Civil Rights," and I couldn't see putting it in "Tactics and Training."

jmr40 · April 10, 2024, 06:14 PM

That sort of stuff happens more often than we realize. The cause is often listed as "gun cleaning accident."

We had a young woman training to become a LE officer here in GA several years back who was shot and killed by her instructor. It was after the class ended and she was asking for extra instruction. The instructor forgot that he had reloaded with live rounds.

I did a google search to find a link to the article. I did find it but had to sign up for a service to read it, which I declined. But in my search, I ran across 3-4 other similar incidents involving police officers accidentally shot while training.

DT Guy · April 10, 2024, 09:25 PM

Kids, don't take tactical training advice from the Pink Panther.

Larry

GGALLIN1776 · April 25, 2024, 10:52 PM

Muzzle & trigger awareness month.

GGALLIN1776 · April 25, 2024, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DT Guy

Kids, don't take tactical training advice from the Pink Panther.

Larry

Or youtube "professionals" haha. The pucker factor when watching some videos is off the charts.

Off topic, but that linked content in your signature is some good stuff. Inadvertently ended up reading far past my bedtime.

The Verminator · April 26, 2024, 10:29 AM

Ecclesiastes 4:5

The fool folds his hands and eats his own flesh.

**4V50 Gary** · April 26, 2024, 11:12 AM

If you had to point, get a trainer firearm (dummy non-shooter) or stuff one of those a unloaded chamber flag down the barrel. Each party must inspect it to ensure that it is a non-gonne incapable of shooting.

**44 AMP** · April 26, 2024, 01:00 PM

see if you can find the (now old) video of the cop in a school, shooting himself in the leg because he was "the only one here qualified to handle a Glock Fou-tay"

**Aguila Blanca** · April 26, 2024, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 44 AMP

see if you can find the (now old) video of the cop in a school, shooting himself in the leg because he was "the only one here qualified to handle a Glock Fou-tay"

DEA agent, not cop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzHEOSyMqug

The Verminator · April 26, 2024, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguila Blanca

DEA agent, not cop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzHEOSyMqug

Isn't a DEA agent a cop?

**44 AMP** · April 26, 2024, 08:01 PM

It may be "Technically" inaccurate but in my view, any agent or officer, or any title working for civil authority and armed with arrest powers is a "cop".

GGALLIN1776 · April 27, 2024, 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguila Blanca

DEA agent, not cop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzHEOSyMqug

Depends on the arm, out on raids they're federal police, you'll see the velcro on most agencies.

Hopefully the picture link works:

https://irp.cdn-website.com/cadac795...EA-agents.webp

Prof Young · April 29, 2024, 04:14 PM

Let's talk about things we do to avoid becoming complacent in our hand gun handling. I've had a few scares myself including the time I got to the range, racked my "empty" gun and a cartridge ejected. YIKES!

One thing I do, when reloading, is to say "powder" aloud, when I visually check the brass to see if the powder dropped. If I go to put the finished cartridge in the tray and I don't recall saying "powder" for that specitic bullet then it goes in the reject box.

I'm thinking I should put empty chamber "flags" in all my firearms save for the HD and carry guns. All my firearms, save for the muzzle loaders are locked in a safe. The carry and HD guns are the only one's in the safe that are loaded.

Life is good.
Prof Young

**44 AMP** · April 29, 2024, 05:16 PM

One of the things I put into my "system" of reloading is after the charged cases go into the loading block, and after the visual inspection for high/low charges, or checking charge weight, I put the bullet in the mouth of the case, upside down.

This serves as a visual "flag" showing it is ready for seating. I don't have to remember if I said a word, or not.

From running a reactor, to driving a sub a few feet off the ocean floor, or flying an aircraft 5 miles up, the complex tasks, where steps must be done right, and in the right order use a lot of written checklists,

However, people can, and do get complacent even with those, and sh..tuff still happens and can still be dangerously or deadly wrong.

georgehwbush · April 29, 2024, 06:14 PM

seeing that i only load for rifles; the process is probably a lot different, next to the last step is i weigh every charge and as soon as it's dumped into the case, the bullet is seeted on top of it. last step is the crimp if i crimp. kindof hard to mess that up but i'm sure it can be done

"if you try to make it idiot prof, they will just make a better idiot"

Skans · April 30, 2024, 02:32 PM

Volusia County - they do stuff like this there. Home of the X-Box murders.

April 10, 2024, 08:50 AM	#1
seanc Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 1998 Posts: 590	Felonious Stupid There ought to be a "Felonious Stupid" law. In summary: 2 guys keep each other sharp with "vigilance drills" which sometimes means they point a gun at the other guy. The gun "usually" has dummy rounds. 1 guy gets shot, no charges for the shooting other than child endangerment because there's kids in the room when this nonsense was going on. https://www.clickorlando.com/news/lo...-deputies-say/ I didn't know if I should post this in the Tactics and Training section or here .

April 10, 2024, 11:13 AM	#2
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,495	I moved this to "General Discussion." It doesn't belong in "Law & Civil Rights," and I couldn't see putting it in "Tactics and Training." __________________ NRA Life Member / Certified Instructor NRA Chief RSO / CMP RSO 1911 Certified Armorer Jeepaholic

April 10, 2024, 06:14 PM	#3
jmr40 Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2008 Location: Georgia Posts: 10,817	That sort of stuff happens more often than we realize. The cause is often listed as "gun cleaning accident." We had a young woman training to become a LE officer here in GA several years back who was shot and killed by her instructor. It was after the class ended and she was asking for extra instruction. The instructor forgot that he had reloaded with live rounds. I did a google search to find a link to the article. I did find it but had to sign up for a service to read it, which I declined. But in my search, I ran across 3-4 other similar incidents involving police officers accidentally shot while training. __________________ "If you're still doing things the same way you were doing them 10 years ago, you're doing it wrong" Winston Churchill

April 10, 2024, 09:25 PM	#4
DT Guy Senior Member Join Date: February 4, 2001 Posts: 960	Kids, don't take tactical training advice from the Pink Panther. Larry __________________ He who fights and runs away had better run pretty damn fast. Government, Anarchy and Chaos

April 26, 2024, 11:12 AM	#8
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,855	If you had to point, get a trainer firearm (dummy non-shooter) or stuff one of those a unloaded chamber flag down the barrel. Each party must inspect it to ensure that it is a non-gonne incapable of shooting. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

April 25, 2024, 10:52 PM	#5
GGALLIN1776 Member Join Date: April 24, 2024 Posts: 29	Muzzle & trigger awareness month.

April 26, 2024, 10:29 AM	#7
The Verminator Senior Member Join Date: April 19, 2013 Location: Minnesota Posts: 349	Ecclesiastes 4:5 The fool folds his hands and eats his own flesh.

April 26, 2024, 01:00 PM	#9
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,901	see if you can find the (now old) video of the cop in a school, shooting himself in the leg because he was "the only one here qualified to handle a Glock Fou-tay" __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

April 26, 2024, 08:01 PM	#12
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,901	It may be "Technically" inaccurate but in my view, any agent or officer, or any title working for civil authority and armed with arrest powers is a "cop". __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

April 29, 2024, 04:14 PM	#14
Prof Young Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2007 Location: Illinois - down state Posts: 2,411	Maybe we need a thread about avoiding complacency . . . Let's talk about things we do to avoid becoming complacent in our hand gun handling. I've had a few scares myself including the time I got to the range, racked my "empty" gun and a cartridge ejected. YIKES! One thing I do, when reloading, is to say "powder" aloud, when I visually check the brass to see if the powder dropped. If I go to put the finished cartridge in the tray and I don't recall saying "powder" for that specitic bullet then it goes in the reject box. I'm thinking I should put empty chamber "flags" in all my firearms save for the HD and carry guns. All my firearms, save for the muzzle loaders are locked in a safe. The carry and HD guns are the only one's in the safe that are loaded. Life is good. Prof Young

April 29, 2024, 05:16 PM	#15
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,901	One of the things I put into my "system" of reloading is after the charged cases go into the loading block, and after the visual inspection for high/low charges, or checking charge weight, I put the bullet in the mouth of the case, upside down. This serves as a visual "flag" showing it is ready for seating. I don't have to remember if I said a word, or not. From running a reactor, to driving a sub a few feet off the ocean floor, or flying an aircraft 5 miles up, the complex tasks, where steps must be done right, and in the right order use a lot of written checklists, However, people can, and do get complacent even with those, and sh..tuff still happens and can still be dangerously or deadly wrong. __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

April 29, 2024, 06:14 PM	#16
georgehwbush Senior Member Join Date: July 14, 2023 Location: down town USA Posts: 204	seeing that i only load for rifles; the process is probably a lot different, next to the last step is i weigh every charge and as soon as it's dumped into the case, the bullet is seeted on top of it. last step is the crimp if i crimp. kindof hard to mess that up but i'm sure it can be done "if you try to make it idiot prof, they will just make a better idiot"

April 30, 2024, 02:32 PM	#17
Skans Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2008 Posts: 11,143	Volusia County - they do stuff like this there. Home of the X-Box murders.