Worst Handgun Myths/Fallacies - Page 2

rlong5 · January 3, 2007, 05:48 PM

This is copied from another board that I frequent. It was posted just 2 weeks ago:

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an american GI comes over the wall and is shot once with the mauser in the shoulder he is still able to draw and fire at the german hitting the german in the shoulder and taking the whole d@#& arm off. now at that time .45 ammo was lead and 9mm was copper jacketed.

G-Cym · January 3, 2007, 06:11 PM

PLayboyPenguin is right.

There are developmental stages when every child is born and grows. During Early Childhood(1-4 years) and Middle Childhood(5-10 years), children are still developing the ability to reason, to understand right and wrong, and even to become more self aware. You simply cannot "teach" them something and expect it to stick 100%. And with guns, even a 1% chance of them not understanding or just not caring is more than enough to take extra precautions. Kids at this age naturally think of themselves above anyone else. It's genetic. Human mammals must take care of their children for a long time. For moms this is called the maternal instinct. And for children, it manifests itself with selfishness. So if a child wants something, even if you say NO, he's going to do it if he can. And exploring a gun is something a child should never be able to do without you standing right over him or her.

Again, Playboypenguin is right, no amount of "Teaching" with a child still in Early or Middle Childhood, can replace the value of a good lock or safe.

Kreyzhorse · January 3, 2007, 06:20 PM

That in this day and age, no one needs a CDW permit. It's the police's job to protect us.

63Belair · January 3, 2007, 06:26 PM

+1 for playboypenguin. You can never be too safe with firearms and children. Education combined with prevention is the best way to have both

G-Cym · January 3, 2007, 06:26 PM

That .45ACP 1911s carried C+L is the best pistol configuration anyone can carry.

Greenfurniture · January 3, 2007, 06:52 PM

Man, this is the funniest thread! Who is next?

marlboroman84 · January 3, 2007, 07:18 PM

In response to Playboy Penguin,

I think you're making a broad generalization that is not a FACT. No offense, but psychoanalysts love to do the "well studies have shown" crap. My grandfather never owned a safe in his life until he moved to the city when I was 11. When I was around 5 he took me out for my first shooting lesson and explained all the rules and right and wrongs to me. He kept a loaded shotgun and loaded .22 by his and my Grandma's bed from the time I was 6 on up and I never once bothered with it, because I was taught not to.

Now none of the above is advocating just leaving them lying around, but I am definitely disputing this group mentality, all kids are to dumb to understand what they are told bull crap. Psychology is a science and science is mostly made up of THEORIES let's try to remember that before we go about spouting absolute truths of the universe shall we?

BobR. · January 3, 2007, 07:26 PM

Playboypenguin
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Sorry, but the only one full of beans on this is you
BobR,

Put your money where you mouth is and show me where I am wrong. Give me the benefit of your massive psychological knowledge of small children that disputes what I said.

I do not have to, considering the clip that was on TV that showed children: some with out NRA safety training; the others without the training being exposed to a out of place gun.
None of the trained kids touched the gun and ran for help; the untrained kids curiosity got the best of them.
YOU SAID this truth is a falsehood, you have to prove it is wrong.
So give us your proof, other than your opinion.

G-Cym · January 3, 2007, 07:29 PM

Marlboro, your grandfather took a chance. With you, it worked. But that doesn't mean it always will, or that it's a smart chance to take.

PILMAN · January 3, 2007, 07:30 PM

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I do not have to, considering the clip that was on TV that showed children: some with out NRA safety training; the others without the training being exposed to a out of place gun.
None of the trained kids touched the gun and ran for help; the untrained kids curiosity got the best of them.
YOU SAID this truth is a falsehood, you have to prove it is wrong.
So give us your proof, other than your opinion.

BobR I saw the same show but I can't recall what it was. It was a few years back if I recall, maybe with Operah?

BobR. · January 3, 2007, 07:36 PM

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G-Cym
Member

Join Date: 09-27-2006
Posts: 60

PLayboyPenguin is right.

There are developmental stages when every child is born and grows. During Early Childhood(1-4 years) and Middle Childhood(5-10 years), children are still developing the ability to reason, to understand right and wrong, and even to become more self aware. You simply cannot "teach" them something and expect it to stick 100%. And with guns, even a 1% chance of them not understanding or just not caring is more than enough to take extra precautions. Kids at this age naturally think of themselves above anyone else. It's genetic. Human mammals must take care of their children for a long time. For moms this is called the maternal instinct. And for children, it manifests itself with selfishness. So if a child wants something, even if you say NO, he's going to do it if he can. And exploring a gun is something a child should never be able to do without you standing right over him or her.

Again, Playboypenguin is right, no amount of "Teaching" with a child still in Early or Middle Childhood, can replace the value of a good lock or safe.

Ah you mean no training can replace good old fashioned paranoia.
Perhaps in this day and age where parents get arrested fir spanking their child, some kids are hopeless little brats.
Then of course there are parents who are so inept they should not have guns either.

In the neighborhood I grew up in, if a parent, any parent told you not to do something, a child listened ofrfirst the original parent would slap your ass, and when you got home, you really got it.
We listened, and we listened well.
Bob

Playboypenguin · January 3, 2007, 07:42 PM

BobR,

If children always do what we tell them then why is there ever a need to "slap an ass". Seems to me that the very fact that children get punished means that they did something wrong. So if kids do things wrong wouldn't that mean they don't always do as told?

That a chance you are willing to take with your kids?

BobR. · January 3, 2007, 07:45 PM

Off Topic:
Marlboroman84:
In college I took a women psych. class out of curiosity. There was another fellow in my class who did the same.
The woman teacher, said she liked it when guys did that becasue usually they spoke up, unlike ninety percent of the girls.

One day after class we were talking and I told the instructor that, in my opinion, ten percent of psychologists and psychiatrists were a boon to society. I said the other ninety percent were somewhere between inept, to outright dangerous.
To my surprise, she said she completely agreed with me.
She was a great instructor, which is probably why she ended up suing the college for discrimination, and won.
Bob
PS--The school is quite liberal.

BobR. · January 3, 2007, 07:54 PM

Playboypenguin BobR,

If children always do what we tell them then why is there ever a need to "slap an ass". Seems to me that the very fact that children get punished means that they did something wrong. So if kids do things wrong wouldn't that mean they don't always do as told?

That a chance you are willing to take with your kids?

You are rationalizing.

A child who has been disciplined to whatever degree for X; if that parent says that for Y, what happened at X will seem like a good time, children listen, IF the parents are not just blowing hot air.

In our neighborhood every child was informed of what I said would happen, i.e. that they told other parents to swat away.
None of us was stupid, so none ever tested the system. Including my neighbor across the alley who was the local tough boy.
On several occasions when I was speculating, he convinced me other wise, as he said our parents would kick our butts.
Bob

AFshooter · January 3, 2007, 07:55 PM

A member of my squadron was telling me how he did not like handguns.
He said "If something goes wrong, it all flies right into your face."

When I told him that the chances of that are somewhere around zero, he told me "It happens all the time".

Keep in mind that this person has done everything, and can do it all better than you.

I have also heard the "go off" by itself thing.
Yeah, just like a car fuel tank can explode at any second.
Ignorance.

My all time most hated phrase: "Get guns off the streets." What does that even mean?

otasan · January 3, 2007, 08:08 PM

Bullets, clips, assault rifles, arsenals, etc. Anyone who misuses these terms are unwillingly allied with the leftist dominant media culture.

They are totally ignorant about firearms, ammunition, and their proper use.

cheygriz · January 3, 2007, 08:16 PM

My favorite handgun myths:

A .45 automatic will knock a man down!

Don't expect a semi-auto to be reliable unless it's well lubricated.

Revolvers are more reliable than semi autos.

Handloads aren't safe.

Lead bullets will ruin your barrel.

dixierifleman · January 3, 2007, 08:30 PM

15. The grooves in a rifled barrel are there to let gas seep past the bullet, otherwise the gun would explode.

thats my favorite. i got a good laugh out of it.

i heard this one from someone who i used to go to school with:
"hollow points are meant to tumble in the air, making a real nasty wound. ive seen it"

**Mike Irwin** · January 3, 2007, 09:55 PM

That it's easy to shoot a gun out of someone's hand if you have a gun in your hand.

DarthTedd · January 3, 2007, 10:17 PM

Playboy and Bob both have good points ... I think it comes down to the specific child as all kids are different. My little one is a newborn so I don't have to worry for a bit, but I do admit once he can grab and reach I'm going to move a few around (and higher).

Then, once he's old enough it's off to the range to learn about safety and muzzle control.

I will say this ... there's nothing wrong with a safe and a good gun lock.

orionengnr · January 3, 2007, 10:21 PM

how about,

"The BG will take it away from you!"

Well, since it's so easy to do, I'll just take it right back!

PS--When I was a kid, I learned that if you get your @ss smacked "a little" for the little things, you really don't want to go wrong on the big things. My dad left the .45 on the nightstand throughout my childhood. I knew exactly where it was, and the only time I ever touched it was when he let me shoot it. About twice, if I recall.

Now I've got my own. And no kids.

skeeter1 · January 3, 2007, 10:23 PM

On one trip to the range, there were a couple early-20s age guys who came in and rented a 9mm and proceeded to shoot it horizontally. Didn't hit a damned thing, and once the RO saw them, he gave them a severe tongue-lashing. I've never seen them back there since.

DarthTedd · January 3, 2007, 10:45 PM

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On one trip to the range, there were a couple early-20s age guys who came in and rented a 9mm and proceeded to shoot it horizontally. Didn't hit a damned thing, and once the RO saw them, he gave them a severe tongue-lashing. I've never seen them back there since.

Ahh, the "homie sights". You gotta love that!

ghideon · January 4, 2007, 01:05 AM

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And remember it was a Porcelain Glock 7 made in Germany and it costs more than what you make in a month.

I love that DieHard quote.

PSP · January 4, 2007, 07:52 AM

The right of the people to own and bear arms "shall NOT be infringed".

Yeah...right.

January 3, 2007, 06:52 PM	#31
Greenfurniture Senior Member Join Date: December 7, 2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 209	Man, this is the funniest thread! Who is next? __________________ Drink your Kool-Aid, follow me.

January 3, 2007, 07:18 PM	#32
marlboroman84 Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2006 Location: Memphis,TN Posts: 541	In response to Playboy Penguin, I think you're making a broad generalization that is not a FACT. No offense, but psychoanalysts love to do the "well studies have shown" crap. My grandfather never owned a safe in his life until he moved to the city when I was 11. When I was around 5 he took me out for my first shooting lesson and explained all the rules and right and wrongs to me. He kept a loaded shotgun and loaded .22 by his and my Grandma's bed from the time I was 6 on up and I never once bothered with it, because I was taught not to. Now none of the above is advocating just leaving them lying around, but I am definitely disputing this group mentality, all kids are to dumb to understand what they are told bull crap. Psychology is a science and science is mostly made up of THEORIES let's try to remember that before we go about spouting absolute truths of the universe shall we? __________________ Ban Liberals, not guns! ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE (mo-lone lah-veh)

January 3, 2007, 07:55 PM	#40
AFshooter Senior Member Join Date: January 17, 2006 Location: Eastern Nebraska Posts: 375	A member of my squadron was telling me how he did not like handguns. He said "If something goes wrong, it all flies right into your face." When I told him that the chances of that are somewhere around zero, he told me "It happens all the time". Keep in mind that this person has done everything, and can do it all better than you. I have also heard the "go off" by itself thing. Yeah, just like a car fuel tank can explode at any second. Ignorance. My all time most hated phrase: "Get guns off the streets." What does that even mean? __________________ 03 FFL, Certified Glock Armorer, Nebraska Concealed Carry

January 3, 2007, 08:08 PM	#41
otasan Junior member Join Date: April 17, 2005 Location: Hartford, Vermont Posts: 519	Nomenclature Errors Bullets, clips, assault rifles, arsenals, etc. Anyone who misuses these terms are unwillingly allied with the leftist dominant media culture. They are totally ignorant about firearms, ammunition, and their proper use.

January 3, 2007, 08:16 PM	#42
cheygriz Senior Member Join Date: May 11, 2002 Location: high up in the rockies Posts: 2,289	My favorite handgun myths: A .45 automatic will knock a man down! Don't expect a semi-auto to be reliable unless it's well lubricated. Revolvers are more reliable than semi autos. Handloads aren't safe. Lead bullets will ruin your barrel. __________________ If you think a mighty military force is expensive, wait 'til you see what a weak one costs.

January 3, 2007, 06:11 PM	#27
G-Cym Junior member Join Date: September 27, 2006 Posts: 366	PLayboyPenguin is right. There are developmental stages when every child is born and grows. During Early Childhood(1-4 years) and Middle Childhood(5-10 years), children are still developing the ability to reason, to understand right and wrong, and even to become more self aware. You simply cannot "teach" them something and expect it to stick 100%. And with guns, even a 1% chance of them not understanding or just not caring is more than enough to take extra precautions. Kids at this age naturally think of themselves above anyone else. It's genetic. Human mammals must take care of their children for a long time. For moms this is called the maternal instinct. And for children, it manifests itself with selfishness. So if a child wants something, even if you say NO, he's going to do it if he can. And exploring a gun is something a child should never be able to do without you standing right over him or her. Again, Playboypenguin is right, no amount of "Teaching" with a child still in Early or Middle Childhood, can replace the value of a good lock or safe.

January 3, 2007, 06:20 PM	#28
Kreyzhorse Senior Member Join Date: April 12, 2006 Location: NKY Posts: 12,463	That in this day and age, no one needs a CDW permit. It's the police's job to protect us.

January 3, 2007, 06:26 PM	#29
63Belair Member Join Date: May 25, 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 70	+1 for playboypenguin. You can never be too safe with firearms and children. Education combined with prevention is the best way to have both

January 3, 2007, 07:26 PM	#33
BobR. Junior member Join Date: December 22, 2006 Posts: 70	Playboypenguin Quote: Sorry, but the only one full of beans on this is you BobR, Put your money where you mouth is and show me where I am wrong. Give me the benefit of your massive psychological knowledge of small children that disputes what I said. I do not have to, considering the clip that was on TV that showed children: some with out NRA safety training; the others without the training being exposed to a out of place gun. None of the trained kids touched the gun and ran for help; the untrained kids curiosity got the best of them. YOU SAID this truth is a falsehood, you have to prove it is wrong. So give us your proof, other than your opinion.

January 3, 2007, 07:29 PM	#34
G-Cym Junior member Join Date: September 27, 2006 Posts: 366	Marlboro, your grandfather took a chance. With you, it worked. But that doesn't mean it always will, or that it's a smart chance to take.

January 3, 2007, 07:42 PM	#37
Playboypenguin Junior member Join Date: February 27, 2006 Location: Great Pacific Northwest Posts: 11,515	BobR, If children always do what we tell them then why is there ever a need to "slap an ass". Seems to me that the very fact that children get punished means that they did something wrong. So if kids do things wrong wouldn't that mean they don't always do as told? That a chance you are willing to take with your kids?

January 3, 2007, 07:45 PM	#38
BobR. Junior member Join Date: December 22, 2006 Posts: 70	Off Topic: Marlboroman84: In college I took a women psych. class out of curiosity. There was another fellow in my class who did the same. The woman teacher, said she liked it when guys did that becasue usually they spoke up, unlike ninety percent of the girls. One day after class we were talking and I told the instructor that, in my opinion, ten percent of psychologists and psychiatrists were a boon to society. I said the other ninety percent were somewhere between inept, to outright dangerous. To my surprise, she said she completely agreed with me. She was a great instructor, which is probably why she ended up suing the college for discrimination, and won. Bob PS--The school is quite liberal.

January 3, 2007, 07:54 PM	#39
BobR. Junior member Join Date: December 22, 2006 Posts: 70	Playboypenguin BobR, If children always do what we tell them then why is there ever a need to "slap an ass". Seems to me that the very fact that children get punished means that they did something wrong. So if kids do things wrong wouldn't that mean they don't always do as told? That a chance you are willing to take with your kids? You are rationalizing. A child who has been disciplined to whatever degree for X; if that parent says that for Y, what happened at X will seem like a good time, children listen, IF the parents are not just blowing hot air. In our neighborhood every child was informed of what I said would happen, i.e. that they told other parents to swat away. None of us was stupid, so none ever tested the system. Including my neighbor across the alley who was the local tough boy. On several occasions when I was speculating, he convinced me other wise, as he said our parents would kick our butts. Bob

January 3, 2007, 08:30 PM	#43
dixierifleman Junior member Join Date: November 30, 2006 Posts: 355	15. The grooves in a rifled barrel are there to let gas seep past the bullet, otherwise the gun would explode. thats my favorite. i got a good laugh out of it. i heard this one from someone who i used to go to school with: "hollow points are meant to tumble in the air, making a real nasty wound. ive seen it"

January 3, 2007, 09:55 PM	#44
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	That it's easy to shoot a gun out of someone's hand if you have a gun in your hand. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

January 3, 2007, 10:17 PM	#45
DarthTedd Senior Member Join Date: December 19, 2006 Location: Kansas City Posts: 625	Playboy and Bob both have good points ... I think it comes down to the specific child as all kids are different. My little one is a newborn so I don't have to worry for a bit, but I do admit once he can grab and reach I'm going to move a few around (and higher). Then, once he's old enough it's off to the range to learn about safety and muzzle control. I will say this ... there's nothing wrong with a safe and a good gun lock.

January 3, 2007, 10:21 PM	#46
orionengnr Senior Member Join Date: July 9, 2004 Posts: 5,177	how about, "The BG will take it away from you!" Well, since it's so easy to do, I'll just take it right back! PS--When I was a kid, I learned that if you get your @ss smacked "a little" for the little things, you really don't want to go wrong on the big things. My dad left the .45 on the nightstand throughout my childhood. I knew exactly where it was, and the only time I ever touched it was when he let me shoot it. About twice, if I recall. Now I've got my own. And no kids.

January 3, 2007, 10:23 PM	#47
skeeter1 Senior Member Join Date: April 11, 2006 Location: Northeast Ohio Posts: 3,403	Not what I heard, but what I saw On one trip to the range, there were a couple early-20s age guys who came in and rented a 9mm and proceeded to shoot it horizontally. Didn't hit a damned thing, and once the RO saw them, he gave them a severe tongue-lashing. I've never seen them back there since.

January 4, 2007, 07:52 AM	#50
PSP Senior Member Join Date: June 2, 2006 Location: Bowling Green Virginia Posts: 4,487	The right of the people to own and bear arms "shall NOT be infringed". Yeah...right.