A Declaration of Civil Disobedience - Page 6

BlueTrain · August 7, 2006, 02:38 PM

How do you decide which laws to obey? As someone wrote, this land is planted thick with laws and no man could withstand the wind that would blow were they all cut down.

Don't tell me about the war between the states. One side fought for slavery, which is an institution based on kidnapping. Why do you who cry the loudest for freedom always align yourselves with the South?

atlctyslkr · August 7, 2006, 02:49 PM

I see I'm not the only one out there who drags up old threads. Sometimes It's just that good you have to go back for more!

This should be printed out and framed in every gunshop and range in America. It's the unofficial gun owners' creed.

Supertac · August 7, 2006, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueTrain

Don't tell me about the war between the states. One side fought for slavery, which is an institution based on kidnapping. Why do you who cry the loudest for freedom always align yourselves with the South?

Whatever you say.

Odd-Job · August 8, 2006, 08:27 AM

I see from the posts here,i will have plenty of company on the prison-ship ride to Gitmo.

Oregongundude · August 8, 2006, 08:41 AM

I enjoyed reading this post

Edward429451 · August 8, 2006, 10:11 AM

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Don't tell me about the war between the states. One side fought for slavery, which is an institution based on kidnapping.

Kidnapping?

You need to brush up on your history!

Harley Quinn · August 8, 2006, 10:16 AM

Hi,
Pretty distinct term to apply to the island of Cuba. Maybe you might be so kind as to elucidate?

Odd-Job mentions:
I see from the posts here, I will have plenty of company on the prison-ship ride to Gitmo.

HQ

Supertac · August 8, 2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn

Hi,
Pretty distinct term to apply to the island of Cuba. Maybe you might be so kind as to elucidate?

Odd-Job mentions:
I see from the posts here, I will have plenty of company on the prison-ship ride to Gitmo.

HQ

He's probably speaking of the detention facilities that some of us may sit it later in ou rlives...

Limeyfellow · August 8, 2006, 01:22 PM

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Why do you who cry loudest for freedom always align yourselves with the South

Probrobly to do with something about how the northern siding states such as Kentucky were allowed to keep their slaves after the civil war ended but the south were barred.

Of course slavery has more to do with keeping the British from siding with the Confederacy than much else, since an invasion from Canada would have seen the union go to hell in a hand basket and wasn't mentioned as an issue for a while after the fighting began.

Mannlicher · August 8, 2006, 03:28 PM

A good thread, and one that I am happy to read again.

All I need to know about guns, and their use in America is contained in the following:

United States Constitution, Amendments, Article II:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

What part of this is so frigging diffucult to understand? Frankly, I look at gun control as treason.

Supertac · August 8, 2006, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mannlicher

.....What part of this is so frigging diffucult to understand? Frankly, I look at gun control as treason.

Agreed

ccwolff · August 8, 2006, 11:28 PM

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I see from the posts here,i will have plenty of company on the prison-ship ride to Gitmo.

Well, when we get there, I call top bunk.

I just reread that first post.
I still agree.

Although, it looks as though the "War on Terror" can now be placed right next to the "War on Drugs" with reference to civil liberties.

Jiml3 · August 9, 2006, 12:37 PM

Kudos, great post. I hope everybody reads it.

Jiml3

MeekAndMild · August 9, 2006, 04:03 PM

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One side fought for slavery, which is an institution based on kidnapping. Why do you who cry the loudest for freedom always align yourselves with the South?

I do wish that you'd get your facts straight when you defame people. http://www.courant.com/news/local/no...9.storygallery

skeeter · August 10, 2006, 12:52 AM

Marko - Just a question. So you are illegal carrying in NYC and someone bumps into you and feels a object they think is a gun and they tell an officer and you are stopped and questioned and then searched. In NYC you can get 1 year- what would you do?

BlueTrain · August 10, 2006, 09:38 AM

Here I am again, talking about ancient history.

First of all, the Civil War (the war of northern agression) was about slavery. Yes, it was about states rights, too, that is, the right of states to have legal slavery. As for slavery itself, where did slaves originally come from (I know, they came from Africa)? They were brought here by people who bought them from people who captured them in raids on the west coast of Africa (the Gold Coast), which is basically nothing more than kidnapping. Argue otherwise.

I think all my ancestors alive at the time (of military age) and definately all of my wife's ancestors (including some not of military age) served the South during that unpleasantness. In fact, my wife's great-great-grandfather, give or take a generation, was the adjutant-general of the Confederate Army, having previously been the adjutant-general of the United States Army. However, he was actually a New Yorker and that may cancel out the first credit. Another ancestor was in Pickett's Charge and live to tell about it. Yet another ancestor, who had been the last private owner of Mt. Vernon (Virginia, not New York) and unfortunately managed to get himself killed during the first year of the war. The ancestor she is most proud of is George Mason who first suggested the RKBA, which I irritate my wife with all the time.

You see, this is Virginia, where the chief religion is ancestor worship.

Edward429451 · August 10, 2006, 10:30 AM

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They were brought here by people who bought them from people who captured them in raids on the west coast of Africa (the Gold Coast), which is basically nothing more than kidnapping. Argue otherwise.

No white men ventured inland in Africa in those days because it was too dangerous because of the cannabils. They stayed on the beach and traded with the friendly tribes who would sell off their family members for sugar, rum, & colored cloth. This did four things for the (friendly) Africans. It kept their (traded) family members safe from cannabils. It left them with one less mouth to feed. It let them show a profit for the family. It gave them reassurance that the traded family members would have a better life than if they stayed in Africa.

So you were close but not entirely accurate. Want me to send you some reprints of the old magazine articles that published slave trader journals back then?

Marko Kloos · August 10, 2006, 11:44 AM

Wow...now I know everything I need to know about the history of slavery, specifically the trade mechanisms and the "cannabils".

I think it's fitting that I get to close this thread, since I am the one who started it, albeit a few years back and with different intent than to have ot turn into a Slavery-wasn't-really-slavery-and-the-Civil-War-wasn't-about-slavery-anyway history debate. With the education of post-9/11 paranoia and bigotry since the original post, I retroactively wish I hadn't posted it at all. I'm not sure I have too much in common with many of my so-called "allies" other than the fact that we like guns. Call me jaded, but I don't think there's much hope for the future of individual rights, gun rights or others, when the vast majority of the population jealously guards their own favorite Amendment of the Bill of Rights while simultaneously doing their level best to rip their naighbor's favorite Amendment to shreds.

Like one of our member siglines says, "I'm pro-rights...on gun issues." That sums up about 80% of the pro-RKBA crowd, and on some days I think that's optimistic.

Thread closed.

August 7, 2006, 02:38 PM	#126
BlueTrain Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2005 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 6,141	How do you decide which laws to obey? As someone wrote, this land is planted thick with laws and no man could withstand the wind that would blow were they all cut down. Don't tell me about the war between the states. One side fought for slavery, which is an institution based on kidnapping. Why do you who cry the loudest for freedom always align yourselves with the South? __________________ Shoot low, sheriff. They're riding Shetlands! Underneath the starry flag, civilize 'em with a Krag, and return us to our own beloved homes! Buy War Bonds.

August 8, 2006, 08:41 AM	#130
Oregongundude Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2006 Location: Oregon Posts: 205	Nice Post I enjoyed reading this post

August 8, 2006, 10:16 AM	#132
Harley Quinn Junior member Join Date: August 30, 2005 Location: State of KALI Posts: 1,531	Gitmo Hi, Pretty distinct term to apply to the island of Cuba. Maybe you might be so kind as to elucidate? Odd-Job mentions: I see from the posts here, I will have plenty of company on the prison-ship ride to Gitmo. HQ

August 8, 2006, 03:28 PM	#135
Mannlicher Senior Member Join Date: July 8, 2001 Location: North Central Florida & Miami Posts: 3,209	A good thread, and one that I am happy to read again. All I need to know about guns, and their use in America is contained in the following: United States Constitution, Amendments, Article II: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." What part of this is so frigging diffucult to understand? Frankly, I look at gun control as treason. __________________ Nemo Me Impune Lacesset "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.".........Ronald Reagan

August 10, 2006, 09:38 AM	#141
BlueTrain Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2005 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 6,141	Here I am again, talking about ancient history. First of all, the Civil War (the war of northern agression) was about slavery. Yes, it was about states rights, too, that is, the right of states to have legal slavery. As for slavery itself, where did slaves originally come from (I know, they came from Africa)? They were brought here by people who bought them from people who captured them in raids on the west coast of Africa (the Gold Coast), which is basically nothing more than kidnapping. Argue otherwise. I think all my ancestors alive at the time (of military age) and definately all of my wife's ancestors (including some not of military age) served the South during that unpleasantness. In fact, my wife's great-great-grandfather, give or take a generation, was the adjutant-general of the Confederate Army, having previously been the adjutant-general of the United States Army. However, he was actually a New Yorker and that may cancel out the first credit. Another ancestor was in Pickett's Charge and live to tell about it. Yet another ancestor, who had been the last private owner of Mt. Vernon (Virginia, not New York) and unfortunately managed to get himself killed during the first year of the war. The ancestor she is most proud of is George Mason who first suggested the RKBA, which I irritate my wife with all the time. You see, this is Virginia, where the chief religion is ancestor worship. __________________ Shoot low, sheriff. They're riding Shetlands! Underneath the starry flag, civilize 'em with a Krag, and return us to our own beloved homes! Buy War Bonds.

August 7, 2006, 02:49 PM	#127
atlctyslkr Senior Member Join Date: March 6, 2006 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 613	I see I'm not the only one out there who drags up old threads. Sometimes It's just that good you have to go back for more! This should be printed out and framed in every gunshop and range in America. It's the unofficial gun owners' creed.

August 8, 2006, 08:27 AM	#129
Odd-Job Junior member Join Date: July 9, 2006 Location: No.Nev. Posts: 83	I see from the posts here,i will have plenty of company on the prison-ship ride to Gitmo.

August 9, 2006, 12:37 PM	#138
Jiml3 Senior Member Join Date: July 16, 2004 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 177	Kudos, great post. I hope everybody reads it. Jiml3

August 10, 2006, 12:52 AM	#140
skeeter Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1999 Posts: 883	Marko - Just a question. So you are illegal carrying in NYC and someone bumps into you and feels a object they think is a gun and they tell an officer and you are stopped and questioned and then searched. In NYC you can get 1 year- what would you do?

August 10, 2006, 11:44 AM	#143
Marko Kloos Senior Member Join Date: January 12, 2000 Location: Enfield, NH Posts: 5,521	Wow...now I know everything I need to know about the history of slavery, specifically the trade mechanisms and the "cannabils". I think it's fitting that I get to close this thread, since I am the one who started it, albeit a few years back and with different intent than to have ot turn into a Slavery-wasn't-really-slavery-and-the-Civil-War-wasn't-about-slavery-anyway history debate. With the education of post-9/11 paranoia and bigotry since the original post, I retroactively wish I hadn't posted it at all. I'm not sure I have too much in common with many of my so-called "allies" other than the fact that we like guns. Call me jaded, but I don't think there's much hope for the future of individual rights, gun rights or others, when the vast majority of the population jealously guards their own favorite Amendment of the Bill of Rights while simultaneously doing their level best to rip their naighbor's favorite Amendment to shreds. Like one of our member siglines says, "I'm pro-rights...on gun issues." That sums up about 80% of the pro-RKBA crowd, and on some days I think that's optimistic. Thread closed. __________________ "The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." --A.E. Van Vogt, The Weapon Shops of Isher the munchkin wrangler.