Concealed Carry

1911rocks · January 12, 2010, 04:04 PM

First and Foremost the intent of this post/poll is just to fulfill my own curiosity In no way does it infer any ideological underpinnings. I was asked about this by my Son in Law who's not big on visiting the places defined in the survey. Please understand that I'm not buying or selling a position one way or the other. Just be honest. Again, this is not a "probe" into your personal spiritual lives.

I feel like an Attorney now....the small print

Brian Pfleuger · January 12, 2010, 04:11 PM

Every Sunday, and there are at least 3 others in my church who do likewise.

DMK · January 12, 2010, 04:12 PM

Why not? God's everywhere. He knows I carry everywhere else. If he was going to protect me in church, why would he protect me less anywhere else?

Crime doesn't stop at the door just because it's the house of God, it's still located in man's world.

One day we had a visiting pastor in my church. One of the stories he told us was about a guy who walked in with a 12ga and proceeded to shoot his wife (or ex, I can't remember) as well as a couple guys who got in his way.

kymarkh · January 12, 2010, 04:14 PM

Yes

hoytinak · January 12, 2010, 04:26 PM

I don't go to church but if I did I'd carry just the same as everywhere else I go.

1911rocks · January 12, 2010, 04:37 PM

Everyone that's responded have been very civilized, thank you.

chris in va · January 12, 2010, 05:54 PM

A pastor of a church here in Louisville held an 'open carry' event last year where over 200 people showed up. The media was there, I gave a taped interview that was shown on the 10 o'clock news.

Honestly I feel church is no more sacred than anywhere else. Why someone would choose to disarm themselves for that purpose is beyond me. Also make note of the attempted shootings in Colorado Springs.

I'm not saying open carry necessarily, but at least have some sort of protection system. The world is changing, we must change accordingly.

Kyo · January 12, 2010, 05:57 PM

you are asking people to admitting to breaking federal law. i am surprised this thread hasn't been closed yet...

hoytinak · January 12, 2010, 06:02 PM

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you are asking people to admitting to breaking federal law.

You sure about that?

It's perfectly legal to carry in a church here in Texas.

MTT TL · January 12, 2010, 06:05 PM

Quote:

you are asking people to admitting to breaking federal law. i am surprised this thread hasn't been closed yet..

You are only surprised because you think there is such a federal law. No such law actually exists.

J.Netto · January 12, 2010, 06:06 PM

I also don't go to Church. But, If I did, yes I would carry.

Dragon55 · January 12, 2010, 06:08 PM

The folks in this video experienced a gunman in the church.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/261848...82213#25882213

Knoxville is 40 miles from me. I carry in church as do others.

cycleguru · January 12, 2010, 06:09 PM

I answered no simply because on Sunday mornings I choose to give it a rest. I'm not in any way opposed to carrying in church. In fact, our pastor and about half the guys and even some of the ladies in my church have CC permits. A couple of years ago the church got together and gave Pastor D. a Glock for his birthday! Just for the record, if I'm at church for any evening activity during the week I'm always carrying.

Kyo · January 12, 2010, 06:09 PM

So tell me which state lets you carry to public locations such as churches? Cause I don't know of 1

hoytinak · January 12, 2010, 06:14 PM

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So tell me which state lets you carry to public locations such as churches? Cause I don't know of 1

Like I stated in my previous post..."It's perfectly legal to carry in a church here in Texas" as there are MANY others I'm sure.

Dragon55 · January 12, 2010, 06:15 PM

OK in Tennessee unless otherwise posted

Kyo · January 12, 2010, 06:16 PM

http://handgunlaw.us/states/texas.pdf
so who is right?

Bluesfan · January 12, 2010, 06:22 PM

Sorry Kyo feds can't enact such a law. Does seperation of church and state ring a bell?

hoytinak · January 12, 2010, 06:23 PM

If you'd read that you'd see the * next to the church which means "Do not apply if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06"

I've never seen a church 30.06 posted around here.

Dragon55 · January 12, 2010, 06:24 PM

Where can handguns not be carried?

Below are some Tennessee Code Annotated sections relative to where handguns cannot be carried. Disclaimer: This list is not intended to be legal advice and is not necessarily all inclusive.

* TCA 39-17-1305 - Amended by 2009 Public Chapter 339 - Possession of firearm where alcoholic beverages are served.
* TCA 39-17-1306 - Carrying weapons during judicial proceedings.
* TCA 39-17-1309 - Carrying weapons on school property. Also see Attorney General Opinions 09-129 and 09-160.
* TCA 39-17-1311 - Amended by 2009 Public Chapter 428 - Carrying weapons on public parks, playgrounds, civic centers and other public recreational buildings and grounds. Also see Attorney General Opinions 09-129, 09-160 and 09-169.
* TCA 39-17-1321 - Possession of handgun while under influence.
* TCA 39-17-1359 - Prohibition at certain meetings — Posting notice.
* TCA Title 70, Chapter 4 - Miscellaneous Regulations
* TCA 70-4-103 - Fox hunting - Training of hunting dogs - Penalty.
* TCA 70-4-112 - Hunting and chasing coons regulated - Training season - Violations, penalties.
* TCA 70-4-117 - Amended by 2009 Public Chapter 606 - Possession of weapons in areas inhabited by big game.
* TCA 70-5-101 - Amended by 2009 Public Chapter 606 - Establishment of hunting areas, refuges, and wildlife management areas — Prohibited acts.
* Attorney General Opinion 09-170 - Firearms on Leased Property.
* Note that handguns are also prohibited at airports, military institutions, and any other building/area prohibited by federal law.
* If you plan to visit a federal park, please contact the park ranger to confirm whether you are allowed to carry a hand gun.http://www.doi.gov/news/09_News_Releases/052209c.html

cycleguru · January 12, 2010, 06:24 PM

As far as I know it's OK here in Oregon. Obviously, no one waves his or her gun around in church. That's not exactly what we're there for.

Rich Miranda · January 12, 2010, 06:52 PM

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Do you carry concealed or otherwise into a Church...?

I always do. While I wish I could worship safely without having to carry in church, I view it as necessary.

As someone eloquently stated, it is God's House, but in man's world. There have been lots of times that churches have been targeted. We must remain vigilant.

Dannyl · January 13, 2010, 06:11 AM

I always carry, and going to a synagogue is no different.
As a matter of fact a synagogue is a target and many have been attacked in many countries over the years.
BTW, in the 90's there was also a bunch of "freedom fighters" who chose to burst into a church (in Cape Town) with guns blazing, a single person who was armed confronted them successfully and minimized the damage that they could have done if they had been un-opposed,

Brgds,

Danny

**Bud Helms** · January 13, 2010, 08:02 AM

Look, guys, the question is, "Do you carry concealed or otherwise into a Church, Mosque, Synagogue,Temple,etc.?"

It is not, "If not, why not?

I am not a regular church-goer either, but I refrain on TFL from publiciziing my opinions of organized religion and the dogma resulting therefrom.

You will do the same.

That is two deleted posts in this discussion, so far. Let's be adult about this and excercise some self control. We may not be interested in your religious beliefs.

**Bud Helms** · January 13, 2010, 08:12 AM

One more thing ... discussions of the separation of church and state are appropriate for the Legal & Civil Rights forum, not General Discussion forum.

There is no place on TFL for free-ranging, all inclusive discussions. That is why we have subforums with topic descriptions.

View Poll Results: Do you carry concealed or otherwise into a Church, Mosque, Synagogue,Temple,etc.?
Yes	59	66.29%
No	24	26.97%
Prefer not to Disclose.	6	6.74%
Voters: 89. You may not vote on this poll

January 12, 2010, 04:04 PM	#1
1911rocks Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2006 Posts: 424	Concealed Carry First and Foremost the intent of this post/poll is just to fulfill my own curiosity In no way does it infer any ideological underpinnings. I was asked about this by my Son in Law who's not big on visiting the places defined in the survey. Please understand that I'm not buying or selling a position one way or the other. Just be honest. Again, this is not a "probe" into your personal spiritual lives. I feel like an Attorney now....the small print

January 12, 2010, 04:12 PM	#3
DMK Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2001 Location: Over the hills and far, far away Posts: 3,206	Why not? God's everywhere. He knows I carry everywhere else. If he was going to protect me in church, why would he protect me less anywhere else? Crime doesn't stop at the door just because it's the house of God, it's still located in man's world. One day we had a visiting pastor in my church. One of the stories he told us was about a guy who walked in with a 12ga and proceeded to shoot his wife (or ex, I can't remember) as well as a couple guys who got in his way. __________________ - Homeland Security begins at home: Support your Second Amendment - www.gunowners.org - www.saf.org - act.nraila.org - www.grnc.org

January 12, 2010, 04:37 PM	#6
1911rocks Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2006 Posts: 424	Thank you so far. Everyone that's responded have been very civilized, thank you.

January 12, 2010, 05:57 PM	#8
Kyo Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2009 Posts: 897	you are asking people to admitting to breaking federal law. i am surprised this thread hasn't been closed yet... __________________ 1. The gun is *always* loaded. 2. Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy. 3. Keep your finger off the trigger unless you are ready to shoot. 4. Be be sure of your target and what is beyond it.

January 12, 2010, 04:11 PM	#2
Brian Pfleuger Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Austin, CO Posts: 19,578	Every Sunday, and there are at least 3 others in my church who do likewise. __________________ Nobody plans to screw up their lives... ...they just don't plan not to. -Andy Stanley

January 12, 2010, 04:14 PM	#4
kymarkh Senior Member Join Date: February 6, 2008 Posts: 181	Yes

January 12, 2010, 04:26 PM	#5
hoytinak Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 5,721	I don't go to church but if I did I'd carry just the same as everywhere else I go.

January 12, 2010, 05:54 PM	#7
chris in va Senior Member Join Date: December 26, 2004 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 13,806	A pastor of a church here in Louisville held an 'open carry' event last year where over 200 people showed up. The media was there, I gave a taped interview that was shown on the 10 o'clock news. Honestly I feel church is no more sacred than anywhere else. Why someone would choose to disarm themselves for that purpose is beyond me. Also make note of the attempted shootings in Colorado Springs. I'm not saying open carry necessarily, but at least have some sort of protection system. The world is changing, we must change accordingly.

January 12, 2010, 06:06 PM	#11
J.Netto Senior Member Join Date: April 26, 2009 Location: Elizabethtown, KY Posts: 713	I also don't go to Church. But, If I did, yes I would carry.

January 12, 2010, 06:08 PM	#12
Dragon55 Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2009 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 811	FWIW The folks in this video experienced a gunman in the church. http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/261848...82213#25882213 Knoxville is 40 miles from me. I carry in church as do others. __________________ sailing ... A way to spend lots of money and go real S L O W

January 12, 2010, 06:09 PM	#13
cycleguru Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Location: Orygun USA Posts: 184	I answered no simply because on Sunday mornings I choose to give it a rest. I'm not in any way opposed to carrying in church. In fact, our pastor and about half the guys and even some of the ladies in my church have CC permits. A couple of years ago the church got together and gave Pastor D. a Glock for his birthday! Just for the record, if I'm at church for any evening activity during the week I'm always carrying.

January 12, 2010, 06:15 PM	#16
Dragon55 Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2009 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 811	OK in Tennessee unless otherwise posted __________________ sailing ... A way to spend lots of money and go real S L O W

January 12, 2010, 06:16 PM	#17
Kyo Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2009 Posts: 897	http://handgunlaw.us/states/texas.pdf so who is right? __________________ 1. The gun is *always* loaded. 2. Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy. 3. Keep your finger off the trigger unless you are ready to shoot. 4. Be be sure of your target and what is beyond it.

January 12, 2010, 06:22 PM	#18
Bluesfan Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2009 Posts: 102	Sorry Kyo feds can't enact such a law. Does seperation of church and state ring a bell?

January 12, 2010, 06:23 PM	#19
hoytinak Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 5,721	If you'd read that you'd see the * next to the church which means "Do not apply if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06" I've never seen a church 30.06 posted around here.

January 12, 2010, 06:24 PM	#20
Dragon55 Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2009 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 811	FWIW no mention of churches in Tenn law Where can handguns not be carried? Below are some Tennessee Code Annotated sections relative to where handguns cannot be carried. Disclaimer: This list is not intended to be legal advice and is not necessarily all inclusive. * TCA 39-17-1305 - Amended by 2009 Public Chapter 339 - Possession of firearm where alcoholic beverages are served. * TCA 39-17-1306 - Carrying weapons during judicial proceedings. * TCA 39-17-1309 - Carrying weapons on school property. Also see Attorney General Opinions 09-129 and 09-160. * TCA 39-17-1311 - Amended by 2009 Public Chapter 428 - Carrying weapons on public parks, playgrounds, civic centers and other public recreational buildings and grounds. Also see Attorney General Opinions 09-129, 09-160 and 09-169. * TCA 39-17-1321 - Possession of handgun while under influence. * TCA 39-17-1359 - Prohibition at certain meetings — Posting notice. * TCA Title 70, Chapter 4 - Miscellaneous Regulations * TCA 70-4-103 - Fox hunting - Training of hunting dogs - Penalty. * TCA 70-4-112 - Hunting and chasing coons regulated - Training season - Violations, penalties. * TCA 70-4-117 - Amended by 2009 Public Chapter 606 - Possession of weapons in areas inhabited by big game. * TCA 70-5-101 - Amended by 2009 Public Chapter 606 - Establishment of hunting areas, refuges, and wildlife management areas — Prohibited acts. * Attorney General Opinion 09-170 - Firearms on Leased Property. * Note that handguns are also prohibited at airports, military institutions, and any other building/area prohibited by federal law. * If you plan to visit a federal park, please contact the park ranger to confirm whether you are allowed to carry a hand gun.http://www.doi.gov/news/09_News_Releases/052209c.html __________________ sailing ... A way to spend lots of money and go real S L O W

January 13, 2010, 06:11 AM	#23
Dannyl Senior Member Join Date: April 20, 2009 Location: Cape Town - South Africa Posts: 627	I do I always carry, and going to a synagogue is no different. As a matter of fact a synagogue is a target and many have been attacked in many countries over the years. BTW, in the 90's there was also a bunch of "freedom fighters" who chose to burst into a church (in Cape Town) with guns blazing, a single person who was armed confronted them successfully and minimized the damage that they could have done if they had been un-opposed, Brgds, Danny Last edited by Dannyl; January 13, 2010 at 09:18 AM.

January 13, 2010, 08:02 AM	#24
Bud Helms Senior Member Join Date: December 31, 1999 Location: Middle Georgia, USA Posts: 13,198	Look, guys, the question is, "Do you carry concealed or otherwise into a Church, Mosque, Synagogue,Temple,etc.?" It is not, "If not, why not? I am not a regular church-goer either, but I refrain on TFL from publiciziing my opinions of organized religion and the dogma resulting therefrom. You will do the same. That is two deleted posts in this discussion, so far. Let's be adult about this and excercise some self control. We may not be interested in your religious beliefs.

January 13, 2010, 08:12 AM	#25
Bud Helms Senior Member Join Date: December 31, 1999 Location: Middle Georgia, USA Posts: 13,198	One more thing ... discussions of the separation of church and state are appropriate for the Legal & Civil Rights forum, not General Discussion forum. There is no place on TFL for free-ranging, all inclusive discussions. That is why we have subforums with topic descriptions.