200gr LSWCHP?

Sport45 · August 14, 2002, 11:44 AM

I've read that for a .38 the old "FBI" load with a 158gr LSWCHP s a fair choice for defense. I was just thinking that a semi-wadcutter HP for the 1911 might also be effective, but I haven't seen one. Does anybody make such an animal? Seems like since the .38 and the 45acp operate at about the same velocities, then the bullets might behave similarly.

griz · August 14, 2002, 12:14 PM

T & T reloading sells a 185 SWCHP. IIRC it's Star brand. I bought some at the last gun show but haven't loaded any yet. I was thinking along the same lines, a low pressure but effective load because the bullet would open up well.

Poodleshooter · August 14, 2002, 01:07 PM

I wish T&T would sell a RNHP or a TCHP, as those SWC's won't feed in my Glock 30. For that matter, I'd like to see them sell 185 or 200gr bullets in ANY OTHER profile than SWC. There's a good reason that I've been shooting 230gr bullets exclusively....
Sport45- you could also try casting one. I know that Lee makes hollow point .452" moulds.

Johnny Guest · August 14, 2002, 01:22 PM

Isn't this essentially what the Hornady 200 XTP JHP is? Frontier loads this in 230 and 200 versions and all I've tried were good loads--Accurate and of fairly stiff velocities.

For practice, somewhat less expensively, you can load the 230 jacketed TC flat point bullet. I presume they make the same bullet in 200 gr, but am not positive.

Hornady also makes a 200 FMJSWC bullet they call the "CT," (combat target??) to the same front-end design as the H&G #68 bullet. Practically any pistol that will feed hardball will feed this bullet. It was designed so that the nose and shoulder would be congruent with the ogive of the factory hardball.

I load both this bullet and the H&G 68 design with dies remaining set for 230 ball, and I don't even change the powder settings, when using the 6.2 gr Unique load.

Best,
Johnny Guest

griz · August 14, 2002, 02:52 PM

Poodleshooter,
Here's a RNFP weighing in at a mere 200 grains:

http://www.pennbullets.com/45/45200rnfp.html

Poodleshooter · August 15, 2002, 10:54 AM

RNFP-Now that's a nice design in .452. I'm too cheap to pay for shipping, and too poor to pay for them in quantities that shipping starts to become justifiable.
I could get just about any weight and design I wanted, but the local gunshow vendor (TNT) only stocks 230LRN and 185 and 200gr LSW in .452.
Johnny-XTP's: Aren't those one of those expensive,newfangled jacketed bullets I keep hearing about?

I've shot those and the Sierra bullet that is similar to the HornadyCT, but that gets a might expensive when you start talking 5000ct boxes. Other than combat ammo, I just don't see a need for anything other than swaged or cast lead in a .45 auto.

WESHOOT2 · August 16, 2002, 09:19 PM

Reliability is prime.

Round nose bullets work best; Remington's HP versions work well.

Reliability is so critical as to take total precedence; your gun must go bang.

August 14, 2002, 11:44 AM	#1
Sport45 Senior Member Join Date: May 25, 1999 Location: Too close to Houston Posts: 4,196	200gr LSWCHP? I've read that for a .38 the old "FBI" load with a 158gr LSWCHP s a fair choice for defense. I was just thinking that a semi-wadcutter HP for the 1911 might also be effective, but I haven't seen one. Does anybody make such an animal? Seems like since the .38 and the 45acp operate at about the same velocities, then the bullets might behave similarly. __________________ Proud member of the NRA and Texas State Rifle Association. Registered and active voter.

August 14, 2002, 01:22 PM	#4
Johnny Guest Moderator in Memoriam Join Date: August 28, 1999 Location: North Texas Posts: 4,123	.45 ACP TCHP? Isn't this essentially what the Hornady 200 XTP JHP is? Frontier loads this in 230 and 200 versions and all I've tried were good loads--Accurate and of fairly stiff velocities. For practice, somewhat less expensively, you can load the 230 jacketed TC flat point bullet. I presume they make the same bullet in 200 gr, but am not positive. Hornady also makes a 200 FMJSWC bullet they call the "CT," (combat target??) to the same front-end design as the H&G #68 bullet. Practically any pistol that will feed hardball will feed this bullet. It was designed so that the nose and shoulder would be congruent with the ogive of the factory hardball. I load both this bullet and the H&G 68 design with dies remaining set for 230 ball, and I don't even change the powder settings, when using the 6.2 gr Unique load. Best, Johnny Guest

August 16, 2002, 09:19 PM	#7
WESHOOT2 Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 1999 Location: home on the range; Vermont (Caspian country) Posts: 14,324	SOCIAL WORK Reliability is prime. Round nose bullets work best; Remington's HP versions work well. Reliability is so critical as to take total precedence; your gun must go bang. __________________ . "all my ammo is mostly retired factory ammo"

August 14, 2002, 12:14 PM	#2
griz Senior Member Join Date: July 31, 2000 Location: Middle Peninsula, VA Posts: 1,588	T & T reloading sells a 185 SWCHP. IIRC it's Star brand. I bought some at the last gun show but haven't loaded any yet. I was thinking along the same lines, a low pressure but effective load because the bullet would open up well.

August 14, 2002, 01:07 PM	#3
Poodleshooter Senior Member Join Date: August 7, 2000 Location: Floating down the James River in VA Posts: 2,599	I wish T&T would sell a RNHP or a TCHP, as those SWC's won't feed in my Glock 30. For that matter, I'd like to see them sell 185 or 200gr bullets in ANY OTHER profile than SWC. There's a good reason that I've been shooting 230gr bullets exclusively.... Sport45- you could also try casting one. I know that Lee makes hollow point .452" moulds.

August 14, 2002, 02:52 PM	#5
griz Senior Member Join Date: July 31, 2000 Location: Middle Peninsula, VA Posts: 1,588	Poodleshooter, Here's a RNFP weighing in at a mere 200 grains: http://www.pennbullets.com/45/45200rnfp.html

August 15, 2002, 10:54 AM	#6
Poodleshooter Senior Member Join Date: August 7, 2000 Location: Floating down the James River in VA Posts: 2,599	RNFP-Now that's a nice design in .452. I'm too cheap to pay for shipping, and too poor to pay for them in quantities that shipping starts to become justifiable. I could get just about any weight and design I wanted, but the local gunshow vendor (TNT) only stocks 230LRN and 185 and 200gr LSW in .452. Johnny-XTP's: Aren't those one of those expensive,newfangled jacketed bullets I keep hearing about? I've shot those and the Sierra bullet that is similar to the HornadyCT, but that gets a might expensive when you start talking 5000ct boxes. Other than combat ammo, I just don't see a need for anything other than swaged or cast lead in a .45 auto.