H110 Powder for 44 Mag

deadeyedick · October 7, 2004, 07:00 PM

Howdy all!! A scoop that came with my Lee dies which is 1.6cc measures about 25 grains on my scale, is this close? The Hogdens book for H110 calls for 24 gr for the 240 bullet. Is the 25 gr safe out of a Ruger SBH with a 7 1/2 barrel or should I measure each charge with the scale down to the called for 24 grains. I think I remember loading these for my old T/C with 28 gr, but that might be a bit hot for the revolver???

Thanks in advance for the help!!

HSMITH · October 7, 2004, 07:35 PM

If it were me I would start at 22 and work up from there until you hit 24 or hit the velocity you want, whichever comes first. If you need more power try Lil Gun in your 44 or get a more powerful gun.

steveno · October 7, 2004, 07:49 PM

get a powder scale and measure and then throw the scoop in the trash. 25 grains sounds a little warm. I would NOT shoot 28 grains of anything in a 44 mag TC or revolver.

deadeyedick · October 7, 2004, 08:09 PM

Can you suggest a good powder measure and scale??

steveno · October 7, 2004, 08:24 PM

I have used a RCBS measure for 25 years and a Hornady scale for close to 20 years and never any trouble with either. I would look at RCBS , Hornady , Redding and Lyman

scottys1 · October 7, 2004, 11:09 PM

Ditto on the RCBS measure. I upgraded mine with the micrometer adjustment and like it even more.
For absolute reliability in a scale, get a balance beam. My RCBS 505 has worked great for many years. The Dillon balance scale is identical but is painted blue instead of green. An electronic scale is very convenient but I always worry about their reliability. I had a Midway electronic scale that worked fine for about 3 years until it puked. During a loading session, I will occasionally weigh a bullet to check their consistency. One session, my 180gr bullet weighed 155gr. I checked the same bullet on my RCBS scale and it weighed 180gr. My 6.0gr powder charge still weighed 6.0gr on both scales. I recalibrated the electronic scale with the same results. I tried it with check weights and it was definitely off in the 150-200gr range. The RCBS scale was good. Since it was out of warranty, I chucked the Midway scale. I later bought a Dillon electronic scale and for 4 years now it has been wonderful, but after the first experience I always check it regularly.

629 shooter · October 7, 2004, 11:58 PM

The Hogdens book for H110 calls for 24 gr for the 240 bullet. Is the 25 gr safe out of a Ruger SBH with a 7 1/2 barrel or should I measure each charge with the scale down to the called for 24 grains. I think I remember loading these for my old T/C with 28 gr, but that might be a bit hot for the revolver???

Hornady manual - 4th edition

44 Mag revolver (7.5" Super BH used as test gun)
240XTP
H110

21.8 1200 fps
22.5 1250 fps
23.1 1300 fps
23.7 1350 fps
24.3 1400 fps
24.9 1450 fps

There is no load anywhere near 28 grains of H110 with a 240 JHP, even with the TC. In fact they list the top TC 240XTP load at 25.0 of H110 - virtually indentical to the revolver load.Keep in mind these are loads for the Hornady 240 HP/XTP , not for every type and brand of 44 240 JHP out there.

I would NOT shoot 28 grains of anything in a 44 mag TC or revolver.

Agree if you are using 240 grain bullets. But for bullets like the Hornady 180 or 200 the top loads list 31.5 of H110 for the 180 HP/XTP and 29.1 of H110 for the 200HP/XTP.

My RCBS 505 has worked great for many years.

I have one that I have used since the late 1980's - an excellent choice based on my experience.

steveno · October 8, 2004, 04:57 AM

don't get into the mode that a TC is stronger than a revolver as it isn't. in the old days with the "one piece" locking lug if you overloaded a TC it would stretch the frame enough to break open. if it was a first time happening for you your first words were usually "holy s***" as you were staring at the fired case in the chamber. the "two piece" lugs helped in resolving this problem but it didn't go away. use the extra barrel length and the lack of a cylinder gap to get the extra power you and not thinking you can load it to a higher pressure.

deadeyedick · October 8, 2004, 10:50 AM

Thanks to all of you for you help. As you can tell, I am fairly new to the game. I cant seem to find any data for the amount of H110 and a 180 gr JHC (Power Jacket) bullet. Would it be the same as the Hornady XTP 28-29 grs? Also has anyone shot the 300 gr XTP's? If so, what would be a good load for this awesome chunk of lead!! Thanks again for the help!!

Powderman · October 9, 2004, 05:36 AM

Hi!

I have loaded a bit of .44 Mag, so this is based on my own experience.

First of all, know that H110 and W296 are virtually the same powder. With this in mind, though, consult a good reloading manual for data with the proper powder.

H110 is one of those powders that cannot be loaded too lightly. A bit of compression in the case is even better.

My load for the 180 gr. Sierra is 28.0 of H110, with Magnum primers. It does rather well in my Smith, without shooting it loose.

For midrange loads, I recommend a powder like Blue Dot or Herco. My accuracy load for this cartridge is 8.5 of Unique, under my 250 grain cast bullet, sized to .430 inch.

Remember, when working up a load, it is OK to use data for a heavier bullet (in this case, 200 gr) for a lighter bullet (180 grain). Before you load with H110, though, go to www.hodgdon.com and read the warnings concerning this powder. Remember to use a good, heavy crimp in the cannelure for good ignition.

scottys1 · October 9, 2004, 07:43 PM

Hodgdon No. 27 manual lists:
Hornady 180gr. XTP bullet
H110 29.0 - 31.5 grains
Remington 2 1/2 primers

Lyman 48th edition lists:
Sierra #8600 180gr JHC bullet
H110 29.0 - 30.0 grains
CCI 350 magnum primers

Definetely heed Powderman's advice about the warnings on H110 and proper crimping.

October 7, 2004, 07:00 PM	#1
deadeyedick Member Join Date: October 3, 2004 Posts: 16	H110 Powder for 44 Mag Howdy all!! A scoop that came with my Lee dies which is 1.6cc measures about 25 grains on my scale, is this close? The Hogdens book for H110 calls for 24 gr for the 240 bullet. Is the 25 gr safe out of a Ruger SBH with a 7 1/2 barrel or should I measure each charge with the scale down to the called for 24 grains. I think I remember loading these for my old T/C with 28 gr, but that might be a bit hot for the revolver??? Thanks in advance for the help!!

October 7, 2004, 08:09 PM	#4
deadeyedick Member Join Date: October 3, 2004 Posts: 16	Powder measure and scale Can you suggest a good powder measure and scale??

October 7, 2004, 11:58 PM	#7
629 shooter Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2002 Location: IN , USA Posts: 967	The Hogdens book for H110 calls for 24 gr for the 240 bullet. Is the 25 gr safe out of a Ruger SBH with a 7 1/2 barrel or should I measure each charge with the scale down to the called for 24 grains. I think I remember loading these for my old T/C with 28 gr, but that might be a bit hot for the revolver??? Hornady manual - 4th edition 44 Mag revolver (7.5" Super BH used as test gun) 240XTP H110 21.8 1200 fps 22.5 1250 fps 23.1 1300 fps 23.7 1350 fps 24.3 1400 fps 24.9 1450 fps There is no load anywhere near 28 grains of H110 with a 240 JHP, even with the TC. In fact they list the top TC 240XTP load at 25.0 of H110 - virtually indentical to the revolver load.Keep in mind these are loads for the Hornady 240 HP/XTP , not for every type and brand of 44 240 JHP out there. I would NOT shoot 28 grains of anything in a 44 mag TC or revolver. Agree if you are using 240 grain bullets. But for bullets like the Hornady 180 or 200 the top loads list 31.5 of H110 for the 180 HP/XTP and 29.1 of H110 for the 200HP/XTP. My RCBS 505 has worked great for many years. I have one that I have used since the late 1980's - an excellent choice based on my experience. __________________ "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors."

October 8, 2004, 10:50 AM	#9
deadeyedick Member Join Date: October 3, 2004 Posts: 16	More data needed Thanks to all of you for you help. As you can tell, I am fairly new to the game. I cant seem to find any data for the amount of H110 and a 180 gr JHC (Power Jacket) bullet. Would it be the same as the Hornady XTP 28-29 grs? Also has anyone shot the 300 gr XTP's? If so, what would be a good load for this awesome chunk of lead!! Thanks again for the help!!

October 9, 2004, 05:36 AM	#10
Powderman Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2001 Location: Washington State Posts: 2,166	Hi! I have loaded a bit of .44 Mag, so this is based on my own experience. First of all, know that H110 and W296 are virtually the same powder. With this in mind, though, consult a good reloading manual for data with the proper powder. H110 is one of those powders that cannot be loaded too lightly. A bit of compression in the case is even better. My load for the 180 gr. Sierra is 28.0 of H110, with Magnum primers. It does rather well in my Smith, without shooting it loose. For midrange loads, I recommend a powder like Blue Dot or Herco. My accuracy load for this cartridge is 8.5 of Unique, under my 250 grain cast bullet, sized to .430 inch. Remember, when working up a load, it is OK to use data for a heavier bullet (in this case, 200 gr) for a lighter bullet (180 grain). Before you load with H110, though, go to www.hodgdon.com and read the warnings concerning this powder. Remember to use a good, heavy crimp in the cannelure for good ignition. __________________ Hiding in plain sight...

October 7, 2004, 07:35 PM	#2
HSMITH Senior Member Join Date: June 21, 2002 Posts: 2,019	If it were me I would start at 22 and work up from there until you hit 24 or hit the velocity you want, whichever comes first. If you need more power try Lil Gun in your 44 or get a more powerful gun.

October 7, 2004, 07:49 PM	#3
steveno Senior Member Join Date: June 18, 2004 Location: Minden , Nebraska Posts: 1,407	get a powder scale and measure and then throw the scoop in the trash. 25 grains sounds a little warm. I would NOT shoot 28 grains of anything in a 44 mag TC or revolver.

October 7, 2004, 08:24 PM	#5
steveno Senior Member Join Date: June 18, 2004 Location: Minden , Nebraska Posts: 1,407	I have used a RCBS measure for 25 years and a Hornady scale for close to 20 years and never any trouble with either. I would look at RCBS , Hornady , Redding and Lyman

October 7, 2004, 11:09 PM	#6
scottys1 Senior Member Join Date: May 21, 2004 Posts: 316	Ditto on the RCBS measure. I upgraded mine with the micrometer adjustment and like it even more. For absolute reliability in a scale, get a balance beam. My RCBS 505 has worked great for many years. The Dillon balance scale is identical but is painted blue instead of green. An electronic scale is very convenient but I always worry about their reliability. I had a Midway electronic scale that worked fine for about 3 years until it puked. During a loading session, I will occasionally weigh a bullet to check their consistency. One session, my 180gr bullet weighed 155gr. I checked the same bullet on my RCBS scale and it weighed 180gr. My 6.0gr powder charge still weighed 6.0gr on both scales. I recalibrated the electronic scale with the same results. I tried it with check weights and it was definitely off in the 150-200gr range. The RCBS scale was good. Since it was out of warranty, I chucked the Midway scale. I later bought a Dillon electronic scale and for 4 years now it has been wonderful, but after the first experience I always check it regularly.

October 8, 2004, 04:57 AM	#8
steveno Senior Member Join Date: June 18, 2004 Location: Minden , Nebraska Posts: 1,407	don't get into the mode that a TC is stronger than a revolver as it isn't. in the old days with the "one piece" locking lug if you overloaded a TC it would stretch the frame enough to break open. if it was a first time happening for you your first words were usually "holy s***" as you were staring at the fired case in the chamber. the "two piece" lugs helped in resolving this problem but it didn't go away. use the extra barrel length and the lack of a cylinder gap to get the extra power you and not thinking you can load it to a higher pressure.

October 9, 2004, 07:43 PM	#11
scottys1 Senior Member Join Date: May 21, 2004 Posts: 316	more data Hodgdon No. 27 manual lists: Hornady 180gr. XTP bullet H110 29.0 - 31.5 grains Remington 2 1/2 primers Lyman 48th edition lists: Sierra #8600 180gr JHC bullet H110 29.0 - 30.0 grains CCI 350 magnum primers Definetely heed Powderman's advice about the warnings on H110 and proper crimping.