Taurus: How good are they? - Page 10

bigjack59 · June 27, 2008, 05:52 PM

I quess I will just keep putting rounds through it and see what goes. I am familiar enough with combat firing and combat weapons to trust this weapon in case of a shootout. I keep it clean, use the right mags and the right ammo. Again, I don't know about other people's experiences (although some of the horror stories here make me wonder...) but I am hoping Taurus is improving. The more competition in the gun market the better for us shooters.

Besides if the Taurus jams in a shoot outI will beat the other SOB to death with it.

bigjack59 · June 27, 2008, 05:59 PM

And remember beating someone over the head is somehow more personal...and fun!

Firepower! · June 28, 2008, 08:51 AM

Yes thats the only thing Taurus is good for....beating some one over the head with it!

Then I could just do that with a stone or something.

seeker_two · June 30, 2008, 03:08 PM

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Yes thats the only thing Taurus is good for....beating some one over the head with it!

Nah......Rugers are much better for that....

GNLaFrance · June 30, 2008, 04:45 PM

I had a Model 605 stainless 5-shot .357 Magnum, 2-1/4" barrel, IIRC. Got Hogue grips and loved shooting it... okay, I made pizza-sized groups at 25 yards, but hey, it wasn't designed for that, it was designed to save my fanny if I needed it. Usually I shot .38 Specials and +Ps in it, but once in a while I shoved in some Magnums and boy, howdy, that thing had a sharp recoil. Not to mention muzzle blast like an artillery piece.

I was glad I had it one night about ten years ago, too. I didn't have to use it, God be praised, but I'm pretty sure that the sight of it in my hand saved me an awful lot of pain.

1tomcat · June 30, 2008, 05:12 PM

have had a similar experience GN, I was run off he road by two guys and if [I] hadnt hade my little 22 single action Im not sure would be here today, the beautiful paart of it is you dont even usually have to use them just let the bad guys know your armed

Firepower! · July 3, 2008, 01:42 AM

Yes I agree unless the bad guys are armed and resort to using their gun. In which case you draw your 'taurus' and it double feeds, jams, or drops the mag!

1tomcat · July 3, 2008, 01:40 PM

The same thing could happen gto your whatever your touting today firepower

Ace_Breaker · July 3, 2008, 09:54 PM

Quite a few pro Taurus people are here to defend this brand. For an interesting read see the TFL link regarding the Taurus 1911.

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=300581

It starts off ok, then the positives about Taurus go straight down the tubes. Some veteran TFL members also give their 2 cents. Weapons falling apart, being returned for repair, falling apart again, etc., etc. It's clear as day that you get what you pay for.

Yes, all guns can fail or fall apart, but it would be nice to see the percentages to get a true perspective of what is going on. Without actual facts and data the only way to share the information seems to be here on boards like this. I still have never had a FTE or failure at any level shooting several Sigs and my HK P7. I haven't had flaws with my CZ's for hundreds and hundreds of rounds. I have a Glock 17 that has never failed. For those who have ears, let them hear!

Firepower! · July 6, 2008, 06:06 AM

I agree. And ones who do not want to listen to any advice will figure it out the hard way.

The thing is that folks who like Taurus are ones who dont shoot often. For them its a shinny piece of metal that they admire.

madmag · July 6, 2008, 10:04 AM

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It's clear as day that you get what you pay for.

This is not a specific defense of Taurus, but I don't agree with the "you get what you pay for" as an all inclusive statement. I agree with the general concept that lower cost mechanical devices usually are not as good as the higher cost devices...but not always. A smart low cost mechanical design sometimes beats it's high cost counterparts. As a retired mechanical engineer (not in the gun industry) I can tell you that some mechanical engineers actually take pride in making complicated high cost devices, but simple is best.

I remember buying my Ruger MarkI for $37.50 when Colt Woodsman & Browning Buckmarks were over a $100.00. Lots of Colt & Browning guns owners were saying you get what you pay for and the Rugers would not last. But we know the outcome to that view. I still have and shoot mine to this day.

I also remember my Grease sub-machine gun (.45ACP) I carried in the Army. Made from stamped metal with only the barrel & bolt as machined parts. It was not only reliable, but less problematic than the expensive Thompson it replaced.

So, I am not relating to Taurus, but I just want to point out that there are exceptions to the low cost rule. Good mechanical design can be low cost & reliable at the same time.

On the other side, you can have the best mechanical design in the world, but if you do not have good quality control to assure it meets specs then you still have a poor product.

madmag · July 6, 2008, 10:42 AM

Just to shoot my mouth off one last time about this low cost gun issue.

I was thinking if I could come up with any examples of a high cost design that was not reliable. I think the German Luger would qualify. From a mechanical design concept it is easy to admire. It is beautifully made with a complicated and close tolerance operating system. I think it has more moving parts than any pistol ever designed, but just imagine what a Luger would cost today if it was made to original specs with all machined parts. Many thousands of dollars for sure. And when you paid that money you would not have a pistol that anywhere as close in reliability as say a Glock.

So, my last word (I think). Taurus may not have the quality control they should have, but saying you get what you pay for is not a good explanation of the situation. And no, quality control does not necessarily mean more cost. Sometimes good quality control is just a management issue, not a cost issue.

Ace_Breaker · July 6, 2008, 04:57 PM

We were talking Taurus, so when I say "you get what you pay for," I am referring to them. It was not an all inclusive statement. I understand there are times when it can be different, but the topic is Taurus. It is my opinion that these can be purchased cheaply and that you are getting exactly what you pay for, wether it is by design, components, materials, or quality control. I do though, understand your points sir. Thanks

madmag · July 6, 2008, 05:40 PM

I understand Ace. I just used your quote and probably should have just used the general term. No problem with the specifics of Taurus, but it just seemed that sometimes others, on many threads, have used cost as the only criteria. I understand you don't...point taken.

I own a Taurus that has done well, but it is clear to me that Taurus needs a big improvement in their quality control. Too bad, some of their designs are on target....my opinion.

Ace_Breaker · July 6, 2008, 06:33 PM

Madmag, you are right. They do make some nice looking models. I did like my Taurus revolver. It did have to get returned once, but afterwards it worked just fine. I just got that bad taste in my mouth about them when the 3rd of 3 broke and also needed to be returned. At this point the company would really have to come up with something dramatic in order for me to ever consider making another purchase of one.

SteveG · July 7, 2008, 10:03 AM

Some of the Taurus line are ok, but I avoid them. There is a reason they are cheap.

SteveG · July 7, 2008, 10:04 AM

There PT 92 is ok as are some revolvers.

TheBulldog · July 7, 2008, 04:23 PM

I see a bunch of Taurus bashing here and that is fine.
I personaly have been a customer since the 80s, I love my Taurus guns.
With proper care, they really last a lifetime.

I own a PT92 (Old Style Non Decocker) and it has over 50,000 rounds through it without a jam, breakage or malfunction!

I do not know of many other firearms that can make this happen.

All I do is shoot and care for it properly.

Lots of times things get a bad wrap because the end user does not pay attention.

My newest T Gun addition is a 24/7 .40CAL and It is a fine firearm along with wining the NRA handgun of the year for 2005 if I recall the year correctly.

Yeah, NRA gun of the year, shoots well and under 600 bucks!
Hum, makes you think hu?

Ace_Breaker · July 7, 2008, 04:37 PM

I find myself scratching my head once again. After throughly reading this thread and the link where there are numerous problems with Taurus handguns, the conclusion you've come up with there is a lot of bashing going on? Ever consider any of it maybe being factual? How about, hmmnn, maybe there are problems! Could it be? No, no, it can't, not my Taurus! It's all bashing, all of it I tell you! I'm not going to call you a liar, but I highly doubt your PT92 has seen 50,000 rounds without any type of issue ever. That's quite a claim for post uno.

45_Shooter · July 7, 2008, 04:44 PM

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but I highly doubt your PT92 has seen 50,000 rounds without any type of issue ever. That's quite a claim for post uno.

Especially when Beretta admits the locking blocks are only good for something like 15,000 before replacement. Ask anybody who's been issued one, they ain't going 50k before something's letting loose in em. And that's Beretta, not Taurus, which seems to struggle getting to 50 rounds sometimes. To be fair, I have heard the PT92 is one of their better products.

Avenger11 · July 7, 2008, 05:48 PM

I think he meant to say 500 rounds, which is about the life expectancy of most Tauri, before they go back for the expected and predictable repairs!! I think he mistakenly triple tapped the zero button!
The original question was, " Taurus: How good are they?" The answer is clear: NOT VERY!

Ace_Breaker · July 7, 2008, 07:49 PM

I love it, nice response. I'm glad that I'm not the only one that smelled that line of, well you know....

wllz505 · July 7, 2008, 07:53 PM

i really like taurus handguns. my buddy has a 669 .357, and it is deadly. it has houge combat grips and gold inlay and is extremely attractive. i am currently in the market for the 24/7 pro .40cal. i shot one once and fell in love with it. it is consistent and accurate. like you said, maybe it is luck, but i think that taurus makes a really good gun. i also want to try the oss. it looks sick

Ace_Breaker · July 7, 2008, 08:22 PM

They do seem like a nice gun, until you shoot a Sig, Hk, Beretta, or other fine handgun. Have you tried any of those to compare? Honestly, people that think they are so great often times don't know the difference between a really good handgun and something that is average. Not always, but many times I believe it is lack of experience and knowledge that speaks so highly of the bull. I don't know anyone that can actually say a Taurus autos are as good or better than Sig, Hk, or Glock. If they do, I refer back to to sentence regarding lack of experience and knowledge. I make this statement as a whole, so don't get ruffled feathers about how great the 92 is. I'm talking about the big picture, the company, quality control, etc., compared to other handgun companies. Ever seeing but never understanding....

billdeserthills · July 7, 2008, 08:48 PM

I think they (Taurus) suck, but I do sell quite a few of them to customers who almost never complain. Today I noticed that a Taurus Tracker 4" .44 mag, gun is new in box, damn cylinder turns freely, not supposed to be doing that, just one more irritating Taurus problem. Now I have to call Taurus Repair Center, at least this time they are supposed to be paying the freight both ways, being that this is a new gun that is defective!

View Poll Results: Taurus Experience
I like Taurus	207	44.04%
I do not like Taurus	64	13.62%
I think its a second rate handgun	126	26.81%
I think its under rated handgun	92	19.57%
Niether like nor dislike, its just part of my collection	36	7.66%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 470. You may not vote on this poll

June 27, 2008, 05:52 PM	#226
bigjack59 Senior Member Join Date: June 19, 2008 Location: greenville sc Posts: 221	I quess I will just keep putting rounds through it and see what goes. I am familiar enough with combat firing and combat weapons to trust this weapon in case of a shootout. I keep it clean, use the right mags and the right ammo. Again, I don't know about other people's experiences (although some of the horror stories here make me wonder...) but I am hoping Taurus is improving. The more competition in the gun market the better for us shooters. Besides if the Taurus jams in a shoot outI will beat the other SOB to death with it. __________________ ALWAYS BRING ENOUGH GUN

June 27, 2008, 05:59 PM	#227
bigjack59 Senior Member Join Date: June 19, 2008 Location: greenville sc Posts: 221	And remember beating someone over the head is somehow more personal...and fun! __________________ ALWAYS BRING ENOUGH GUN

June 30, 2008, 04:45 PM	#230
GNLaFrance Member Join Date: June 29, 2008 Location: Near Baltimore, the Soviet Socialist Democratic People's Republic of Maryland Posts: 81	I had a Model 605 stainless 5-shot .357 Magnum, 2-1/4" barrel, IIRC. Got Hogue grips and loved shooting it... okay, I made pizza-sized groups at 25 yards, but hey, it wasn't designed for that, it was designed to save my fanny if I needed it. Usually I shot .38 Specials and +Ps in it, but once in a while I shoved in some Magnums and boy, howdy, that thing had a sharp recoil. Not to mention muzzle blast like an artillery piece. I was glad I had it one night about ten years ago, too. I didn't have to use it, God be praised, but I'm pretty sure that the sight of it in my hand saved me an awful lot of pain. __________________ Guy N. LaFrance Collector of Curios & Relics, Maryland Designated Collector Maryland Shall Issue, GOA, NRA, SAF, JPFO Grand Army of the Frontier, National Congress of Old West Shootists

July 3, 2008, 09:54 PM	#234
Ace_Breaker Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2007 Posts: 1,170	Quite a few pro Taurus people are here to defend this brand. For an interesting read see the TFL link regarding the Taurus 1911. http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=300581 It starts off ok, then the positives about Taurus go straight down the tubes. Some veteran TFL members also give their 2 cents. Weapons falling apart, being returned for repair, falling apart again, etc., etc. It's clear as day that you get what you pay for. Yes, all guns can fail or fall apart, but it would be nice to see the percentages to get a true perspective of what is going on. Without actual facts and data the only way to share the information seems to be here on boards like this. I still have never had a FTE or failure at any level shooting several Sigs and my HK P7. I haven't had flaws with my CZ's for hundreds and hundreds of rounds. I have a Glock 17 that has never failed. For those who have ears, let them hear! Last edited by Ace_Breaker; July 3, 2008 at 09:56 PM. Reason: spell check!!!

June 28, 2008, 08:51 AM	#228
Firepower! Senior Member Join Date: February 3, 2008 Posts: 2,109	Yes thats the only thing Taurus is good for....beating some one over the head with it! Then I could just do that with a stone or something.

June 30, 2008, 05:12 PM	#231
1tomcat Senior Member Join Date: June 27, 2005 Posts: 147	have had a similar experience GN, I was run off he road by two guys and if [I] hadnt hade my little 22 single action Im not sure would be here today, the beautiful paart of it is you dont even usually have to use them just let the bad guys know your armed

July 3, 2008, 01:42 AM	#232
Firepower! Senior Member Join Date: February 3, 2008 Posts: 2,109	Yes I agree unless the bad guys are armed and resort to using their gun. In which case you draw your 'taurus' and it double feeds, jams, or drops the mag!

July 3, 2008, 01:40 PM	#233
1tomcat Senior Member Join Date: June 27, 2005 Posts: 147	The same thing could happen gto your whatever your touting today firepower

July 6, 2008, 06:06 AM	#235
Firepower! Senior Member Join Date: February 3, 2008 Posts: 2,109	I agree. And ones who do not want to listen to any advice will figure it out the hard way. The thing is that folks who like Taurus are ones who dont shoot often. For them its a shinny piece of metal that they admire.

July 6, 2008, 10:42 AM	#237
madmag Senior Member Join Date: February 7, 2007 Location: The South Posts: 4,239	Imagine What It Would Cost Today Just to shoot my mouth off one last time about this low cost gun issue. I was thinking if I could come up with any examples of a high cost design that was not reliable. I think the German Luger would qualify. From a mechanical design concept it is easy to admire. It is beautifully made with a complicated and close tolerance operating system. I think it has more moving parts than any pistol ever designed, but just imagine what a Luger would cost today if it was made to original specs with all machined parts. Many thousands of dollars for sure. And when you paid that money you would not have a pistol that anywhere as close in reliability as say a Glock. So, my last word (I think). Taurus may not have the quality control they should have, but saying you get what you pay for is not a good explanation of the situation. And no, quality control does not necessarily mean more cost. Sometimes good quality control is just a management issue, not a cost issue.

July 6, 2008, 04:57 PM	#238
Ace_Breaker Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2007 Posts: 1,170	madmag We were talking Taurus, so when I say "you get what you pay for," I am referring to them. It was not an all inclusive statement. I understand there are times when it can be different, but the topic is Taurus. It is my opinion that these can be purchased cheaply and that you are getting exactly what you pay for, wether it is by design, components, materials, or quality control. I do though, understand your points sir. Thanks

July 6, 2008, 05:40 PM	#239
madmag Senior Member Join Date: February 7, 2007 Location: The South Posts: 4,239	I understand Ace. I just used your quote and probably should have just used the general term. No problem with the specifics of Taurus, but it just seemed that sometimes others, on many threads, have used cost as the only criteria. I understand you don't...point taken. I own a Taurus that has done well, but it is clear to me that Taurus needs a big improvement in their quality control. Too bad, some of their designs are on target....my opinion.

July 6, 2008, 06:33 PM	#240
Ace_Breaker Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2007 Posts: 1,170	Madmag, you are right. They do make some nice looking models. I did like my Taurus revolver. It did have to get returned once, but afterwards it worked just fine. I just got that bad taste in my mouth about them when the 3rd of 3 broke and also needed to be returned. At this point the company would really have to come up with something dramatic in order for me to ever consider making another purchase of one.

July 7, 2008, 10:03 AM	#241
SteveG Member Join Date: February 7, 2008 Posts: 39	Some of the Taurus line are ok, but I avoid them. There is a reason they are cheap.

July 7, 2008, 10:04 AM	#242
SteveG Member Join Date: February 7, 2008 Posts: 39	There PT 92 is ok as are some revolvers.

July 7, 2008, 04:23 PM	#243
TheBulldog Junior Member Join Date: July 7, 2008 Posts: 1	Great guns! I see a bunch of Taurus bashing here and that is fine. I personaly have been a customer since the 80s, I love my Taurus guns. With proper care, they really last a lifetime. I own a PT92 (Old Style Non Decocker) and it has over 50,000 rounds through it without a jam, breakage or malfunction! I do not know of many other firearms that can make this happen. All I do is shoot and care for it properly. Lots of times things get a bad wrap because the end user does not pay attention. My newest T Gun addition is a 24/7 .40CAL and It is a fine firearm along with wining the NRA handgun of the year for 2005 if I recall the year correctly. Yeah, NRA gun of the year, shoots well and under 600 bucks! Hum, makes you think hu?

July 7, 2008, 04:37 PM	#244
Ace_Breaker Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2007 Posts: 1,170	I find myself scratching my head once again. After throughly reading this thread and the link where there are numerous problems with Taurus handguns, the conclusion you've come up with there is a lot of bashing going on? Ever consider any of it maybe being factual? How about, hmmnn, maybe there are problems! Could it be? No, no, it can't, not my Taurus! It's all bashing, all of it I tell you! I'm not going to call you a liar, but I highly doubt your PT92 has seen 50,000 rounds without any type of issue ever. That's quite a claim for post uno.

July 7, 2008, 05:48 PM	#246
Avenger11 Senior Member Join Date: August 15, 2007 Posts: 311	I think he meant to say 500 rounds, which is about the life expectancy of most Tauri, before they go back for the expected and predictable repairs!! I think he mistakenly triple tapped the zero button! The original question was, " Taurus: How good are they?" The answer is clear: NOT VERY!

July 7, 2008, 07:49 PM	#247
Ace_Breaker Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2007 Posts: 1,170	Avenger I love it, nice response. I'm glad that I'm not the only one that smelled that line of, well you know....

July 7, 2008, 07:53 PM	#248
wllz505 Junior Member Join Date: June 20, 2008 Location: ABQ, NM Posts: 3	taurus handguns i really like taurus handguns. my buddy has a 669 .357, and it is deadly. it has houge combat grips and gold inlay and is extremely attractive. i am currently in the market for the 24/7 pro .40cal. i shot one once and fell in love with it. it is consistent and accurate. like you said, maybe it is luck, but i think that taurus makes a really good gun. i also want to try the oss. it looks sick

July 7, 2008, 08:22 PM	#249
Ace_Breaker Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2007 Posts: 1,170	They do seem like a nice gun, until you shoot a Sig, Hk, Beretta, or other fine handgun. Have you tried any of those to compare? Honestly, people that think they are so great often times don't know the difference between a really good handgun and something that is average. Not always, but many times I believe it is lack of experience and knowledge that speaks so highly of the bull. I don't know anyone that can actually say a Taurus autos are as good or better than Sig, Hk, or Glock. If they do, I refer back to to sentence regarding lack of experience and knowledge. I make this statement as a whole, so don't get ruffled feathers about how great the 92 is. I'm talking about the big picture, the company, quality control, etc., compared to other handgun companies. Ever seeing but never understanding....

July 7, 2008, 08:48 PM	#250
billdeserthills Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2005 Posts: 110	I think they (Taurus) suck, but I do sell quite a few of them to customers who almost never complain. Today I noticed that a Taurus Tracker 4" .44 mag, gun is new in box, damn cylinder turns freely, not supposed to be doing that, just one more irritating Taurus problem. Now I have to call Taurus Repair Center, at least this time they are supposed to be paying the freight both ways, being that this is a new gun that is defective!