What is a "Hellfire" exactly

Doug.38PR · November 17, 2006, 10:40 AM

I have heard different stories from different people here and offline too.

1) Hellfire is something you attack to the trigger guard to spring your finger back and forth to legally allow you to fire in bursts with a semi auto rifle or handgun

2) Hellfire is a mall ninja piece of garbage that isn't all it's cracked up to be and is a waste of money at gunshows

3) Hellfire is an internal trigger adapter that is best not to install because it might accidently make your weapon go full auto making you an instant criminal

Anyone have any pictures of one on their gun or otherwise?. Anyone have any personal stories about one?

VUPDblue · November 17, 2006, 11:04 AM

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1) Hellfire is something you attack to the trigger guard to spring your finger back and forth to legally allow you to fire in bursts with a semi auto rifle or handgun

True. It is a device that aids in 'bump firing'

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2) Hellfire is a mall ninja piece of garbage that isn't all it's cracked up to be and is a waste of money at gunshows

Also True. In fact, truer words have never been spoken.

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3) Hellfire is an internal trigger adapter that is best not to install because it might accidently make your weapon go full auto making you an instant criminal

Not True. See answer to #1 &#2

I have tried it once before on a friends AK. What a useless tool. If you just want to waste rounds, it would probably be your dream come true. If you want to hit anything, buy a scoped bolt gun.

Nick

Art Eatman · November 17, 2006, 11:14 AM

There are two designs of these legal gizmos. They both function, insofar as allowing a high rate of semi-auto fire. One is a sort of back-and-forth trigger; the other is a rotary deal with a little handle to the side.

The problem is that it's almost impossible to stay on target. The motion of actuating the device moves the rifle around, so the bullets go about everywhere except on the target.

Waste of money.

Art

ATW525 · November 17, 2006, 11:43 AM

The rotary trigger activators like the GAT Trigger seem to be the best of the bunch. Of course having a hand crank hanging off the side of your gun that could discharge multiple rounds if accidently brushed might be a major drawback.

**Mike Irwin** · November 17, 2006, 01:38 PM

What is a hellfire?

A waste of money.

ATW525 · November 17, 2006, 03:53 PM

If you're really curious, you can do a search at the US Patent and Trademark Office website under for all patents under the inventor name "Troncoso; Vincent"... this will get you the patents for Hellfire, TAC-Trigger, Tri-Burst and the GAT Trigger (every one sold by Flash Distributing). The relevent patents have all the information you could ever need about how those devices work from a mechanical standpoint.

kc-griz · November 17, 2006, 08:24 PM

It's an optically guided, self propelled, highly explosive, fire and forget message that will be the last the recipient ever gets!

hpg · November 17, 2006, 08:31 PM

Hellfire=waste of your hard earned $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

bennnn · November 17, 2006, 08:47 PM

Hellfire?

Let's get some kindling for the cookfire.....

Who's on the menu?

Does a "spray and pray" device belong in the ART of the RIFLE?

Who am I to say? I practice marksmanship, as an art. I try to make every shot better than the last, but I don't always succeed, maybe I need a hellfire...

Dave Haven · November 17, 2006, 09:56 PM

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Does a "spray and pray" device belong in the ART of the RIFLE?

No.
Good point, bennnn.

constitution · November 19, 2006, 12:59 PM

I put one on a 10/22...for grins to see if it would work

The little strip of spring steel and the small ,flat knob that wedged between the trigger gap and the trigger guard.An waste of money, it also scored my trigger guard pretty bad when it popped out. $1.25 worth of materials for 35 bucks.

Ive yet to hear of an ordinary person buying one and having it function like the video says and shows.

An incredible waste of money.

hpg · November 19, 2006, 02:42 PM

$35.00, wow, they have almost doubled in price since I bought one around 20 years ago @$20.00.............hpg

Death from Afar · November 19, 2006, 03:24 PM

Its also what the theives who sell this junk should get for eternity.

FS2K · November 20, 2006, 02:20 PM

It was the only multiple shot trigger device that worhed for me. It was packaged under the name "HellFire" and not "Hell Fire 2000"

All the device was constructed of was a piece of flat spring steel that was woundinti a circle with a secondary trigger on one end that was shoved up right next to the stock trigger. The rest of the coil was anchored to the trigger guard. The second trigger was fashioned in such a way that everytime it was pushed forward the top of the trigger back causing it to fire. One shot forward, one shot back.

XD Gunner · November 20, 2006, 06:32 PM

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What is a hellfire?

A waste of money.

I thought it was a rocket?

:P

cheygriz · November 20, 2006, 11:26 PM

Wrong forum

Ask the Iraqi "Republican Guards" tank crews what a "Hellfire" is. (Assuming you can find one alive

)

Jseime · November 22, 2006, 01:24 PM

Fired by the Apache attack helicopter the Hellfire missile is significantly cooler than any makeshift trigger goofball modifications.

Apparently every time the pilot releases one of these little dolls it costs taxpayers something like 80K.

Dave Haven · November 22, 2006, 11:41 PM

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Fired by the Apache attack helicopter the Hellfire missile is significantly cooler than any makeshift trigger goofball modifications.

I couldn't have stated that more eloquently.

November 17, 2006, 01:38 PM	#5
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	What is a hellfire? A waste of money. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

November 17, 2006, 08:31 PM	#8
hpg Senior Member Join Date: September 14, 2002 Location: in the Bluegrass State Posts: 1,610	Hellfire=waste of your hard earned $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ __________________ NRA member Semper Paratus

November 17, 2006, 08:47 PM	#9
bennnn Senior Member Join Date: August 26, 2006 Location: almost far enough south.. Posts: 978	Hellfire? Let's get some kindling for the cookfire..... Who's on the menu? Does a "spray and pray" device belong in the ART of the RIFLE? Who am I to say? I practice marksmanship, as an art. I try to make every shot better than the last, but I don't always succeed, maybe I need a hellfire... __________________ I owe a lot to the man who first cradled this rifle in his hands... wish I could tell him thanks.-- mdshooter

November 19, 2006, 12:59 PM	#11
constitution Member Join Date: October 1, 2006 Location: USA Posts: 51	What is it?? a gimmick. I put one on a 10/22...for grins to see if it would work The little strip of spring steel and the small ,flat knob that wedged between the trigger gap and the trigger guard.An waste of money, it also scored my trigger guard pretty bad when it popped out. $1.25 worth of materials for 35 bucks. Ive yet to hear of an ordinary person buying one and having it function like the video says and shows. An incredible waste of money.

November 19, 2006, 02:42 PM	#12
hpg Senior Member Join Date: September 14, 2002 Location: in the Bluegrass State Posts: 1,610	$35.00, wow, they have almost doubled in price since I bought one around 20 years ago @$20.00.............hpg __________________ NRA member Semper Paratus

November 17, 2006, 10:40 AM	#1
Doug.38PR Junior member Join Date: January 18, 2005 Posts: 3,298	What is a "Hellfire" exactly I have heard different stories from different people here and offline too. 1) Hellfire is something you attack to the trigger guard to spring your finger back and forth to legally allow you to fire in bursts with a semi auto rifle or handgun 2) Hellfire is a mall ninja piece of garbage that isn't all it's cracked up to be and is a waste of money at gunshows 3) Hellfire is an internal trigger adapter that is best not to install because it might accidently make your weapon go full auto making you an instant criminal Anyone have any pictures of one on their gun or otherwise?. Anyone have any personal stories about one?

November 17, 2006, 11:14 AM	#3
Art Eatman Staff in Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX; Thomasville, GA Posts: 24,798	There are two designs of these legal gizmos. They both function, insofar as allowing a high rate of semi-auto fire. One is a sort of back-and-forth trigger; the other is a rotary deal with a little handle to the side. The problem is that it's almost impossible to stay on target. The motion of actuating the device moves the rifle around, so the bullets go about everywhere except on the target. Waste of money. Art

November 17, 2006, 11:43 AM	#4
ATW525 Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2005 Location: Concord, NH Posts: 2,723	The rotary trigger activators like the GAT Trigger seem to be the best of the bunch. Of course having a hand crank hanging off the side of your gun that could discharge multiple rounds if accidently brushed might be a major drawback.

November 17, 2006, 03:53 PM	#6
ATW525 Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2005 Location: Concord, NH Posts: 2,723	If you're really curious, you can do a search at the US Patent and Trademark Office website under for all patents under the inventor name "Troncoso; Vincent"... this will get you the patents for Hellfire, TAC-Trigger, Tri-Burst and the GAT Trigger (every one sold by Flash Distributing). The relevent patents have all the information you could ever need about how those devices work from a mechanical standpoint.

November 17, 2006, 08:24 PM	#7
kc-griz Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2006 Location: NW MO Posts: 145	It's an optically guided, self propelled, highly explosive, fire and forget message that will be the last the recipient ever gets!

November 19, 2006, 03:24 PM	#13
Death from Afar Senior Member Join Date: November 7, 2004 Location: Living the dream in Christchurch, NEW ZEALAND Posts: 1,635	Its also what the theives who sell this junk should get for eternity. __________________ "Beware of the Man with one gun...he probably isnt into guns enough to be safe with it".

November 20, 2006, 02:20 PM	#14
FS2K Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2006 Posts: 1,853	back in the late 80's early 90's I bought something called a "hell fire" It was the only multiple shot trigger device that worhed for me. It was packaged under the name "HellFire" and not "Hell Fire 2000" All the device was constructed of was a piece of flat spring steel that was woundinti a circle with a secondary trigger on one end that was shoved up right next to the stock trigger. The rest of the coil was anchored to the trigger guard. The second trigger was fashioned in such a way that everytime it was pushed forward the top of the trigger back causing it to fire. One shot forward, one shot back. __________________ Just a big fan of guns.

November 20, 2006, 11:26 PM	#16
cheygriz Senior Member Join Date: May 11, 2002 Location: high up in the rockies Posts: 2,289	Wrong forum Ask the Iraqi "Republican Guards" tank crews what a "Hellfire" is. (Assuming you can find one alive ) __________________ If you think a mighty military force is expensive, wait 'til you see what a weak one costs.

November 22, 2006, 01:24 PM	#17
Jseime Senior Member Join Date: December 31, 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,775	Fired by the Apache attack helicopter the Hellfire missile is significantly cooler than any makeshift trigger goofball modifications. Apparently every time the pilot releases one of these little dolls it costs taxpayers something like 80K. __________________ I love the smell of fresh shotgun in the morning.