The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The Conference Center > Law and Civil Rights > Legal and Political

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old April 11, 2008, 09:03 AM   #26
Wildalaska
Junior member
 
Join Date: November 25, 2002
Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska
Posts: 14,172
Quote:
I'm sorry to see more than a few people in this thread get sucked in by this obviously common liberal tactic.
Dude nobody is being sucked into anything except maybe the chance to critically think and analyze....soemthing that seems to be a bit lacking here sometimes

Quote:
But if someone comes in the front door shooting I am going out the back, so why do I need a weapon? In case the back door it blocked with an accomplise.
Heaven's sake Billy, you would run? In your OWN CASTLE? My god man, why wouldn't you STAND your ground and ENGAGE with MAXIMUM FORCE to DESTROY the ANIMAL! Good idea that you have a gun, especially if you are in the bathroom....being you are a healthy speciman like moi, may I suggest my technique of Seecamp ductaped crossdraw under second belly roll level? I used to have mine duct taped betwen my man boobs, but was losing too much hair when I drew...why just the other day I heard footsteps on the porch and IMMEDIATELY went into CONDITION MAGENTA to prep for action...raising the M1A with the ACOG, I looked out the window to IDENTIFY the THREAT with that wonderful optic, seeing only schoolchildren playing clearly through the glass...one was so close the Red Chevron hid her nose, the little devil, got to love Trrijicon, great for threat identification using your rifle...there was a KNOCK on the door and the DOORKNOB RATTLED!!! I screamed for SWMBO to take cover and ripped open the door holding the M1A at the high strike position, bayonett at the ready (thank god I live in a state where we are allowed bayonet lugs, every knows laws against bayonet lugs violate the constitution, what part of shallnotbeinfringed don't you understand, you must be TRAITOR by the way if you question that), and dang, you should have seen that GOBLIN disguised as a Girl Scout Cookie salesgirl run! Thank god I had carried my M1A all around the house that day in the ready position with my TACTICAL sling, you never know when there might be a HOME INVASION on a Sunday afternoon....

WildnorambosismouttherenopeAlaska TM
Wildalaska is offline  
Old April 11, 2008, 09:35 AM   #27
copenhagen
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 12, 2007
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 592
Wild, you really should shave the chest. Then the ducttape won't hurt anymore. Doesn't the tape cause pain to your pistol's finish anyway? Why not just handcuff it to your hand in some fashion? An M1A with an ACOG? Too bad you haven't gotten a quad rail system for it and installed an M203 yet. It might not be a bad idea to invest in some sort of flame thrower and claymore yard defense system either.
__________________
'The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.' Thomas Jefferson
National Rifle Association Life Member
copenhagen is offline  
Old April 11, 2008, 10:33 AM   #28
Garand Illusion
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 4, 2005
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,278
Quote:
Thats wrong. There is a difference between Rambo and criminal..Rambo doesnt have intent to do harm or break laws.
I agree with this statement totally. I have friends who buy nothing but tactical looking weapons, carry 24/7, and are fine and upstanding people working in the community. You might call them "rambo" but they're hurting nobody and if they should find themselves in a bad situation of some type they do have many tools available (somebody here has a sig that says "when the zombies come, you know which house they'll be coming to", or something to that affect).

Some people with a Rambo mentality, however, are "on the edge." I'm just judging this from what I read online as I haven't met anyone to this level, but they are just sure that some group (an ethnic/religious/political group) will be assaulting their neighborhood at any time, and they have based their life on being ready to "go down fighting" or "join the revolution" or whatever. These people scare me ... just because when you're looking for a fight, you generally find one eventually.

BTW -- although I have far fewer guns than many on this site, and only one military style rifle (a cheap SKS) many of my neighbors consider me a Rambo for owning any guns, and for my NRA shirts/membership. I guess being a Rambo is relative to where you live.


Quote:
Garand how do you see this:

Quote:
That conclusion was crystallized for me years ago when a state legislator from suburban Atlanta announced in a gun debate that he would never dare to dine in an Atlanta restaurant unless he was carrying a firearm.

Now, frail little old ladies with walkers ate in those restaurants regularly without apparent fear, but this guy — a young man well over 6 feet tall — thought it was too dangerous unless he could carry a gun with him.
That doesnt make you raise an eyebrow?

It's not the carrying of the gun, it's the attitude. An attitude, I am coming to realize by the way, that women completely lack
This story reminds me of a thread some years ago about stopping at a convenience store late at night. Some posters called them "stop and robs" and said they would NEVER go to one no matter how well armed. And I'm thinking ... but our 7-11 has a little old lady working the counter at night who's there every night and never packs. Is american courage now based on armament?

IF I understand what you're saying ...

As boys, especially in some cultures, we're raised that we're the protectors of our family/wives/women. This is a heavy burden, and some men (especially when they get older and start wondering if they can still throw a hard punch) turn this into fear that can only be assauged by having lethal fire power at their fingertips.

Women, I tend to think, are not given such a heavy burden for their own defense societally -- not something we speak about, but something that is inherent in our movies and culture. There are many, many exceptions to this obviously ... I'm talking about generalities, not hard and fast rules.

My .02 ...

I'd be lying if I didn't say my age somewhat affects my desire to carry a weapon. 15 years ago I was quite confident (falsely or not) that I could flatten any schmuck who dared lay a hand on me. Now I am not.

With the change in laws in Colorado I now carry a weapon as casually as I carry my keys -- but then, I don't always carry all my keys either. Because I recognize where I live/what the dangers are/etc. are highly unlikely to put me in a really bad situation. Highly unlikely, not impossible.

When I'm travelling (which I do often) I don't bring a weapon unless it's a car trip through states that are CCW friendly to me (which means I almost never carry when travelling). I'm not in fear at these times, but when you're at a rest stop in the middle of Kansas at 3:00 a.m. with groups of shady looking people loitering about having a .38 tucked in my belt does make me feel a little more secure about using the restroom.

Am I a Rambo? Y'all decide. I will accept the title if I must.

Some may consider me a "sheeple." I'll accept that title as well if you think it fits.
__________________
Lots of idiots in this forum. I think they must breed here. Enjoy!
Garand Illusion is offline  
Old April 11, 2008, 11:35 AM   #29
HKuser
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 24, 2008
Location: PA
Posts: 625
I run across LOTS of Rambos. Round here we call them POLICE.*



*_Only (kinda, the official Rambos are the worst) kidding_
HKuser is offline  
Old April 11, 2008, 12:06 PM   #30
obxned
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 30, 2007
Location: OBX, NC
Posts: 1,128
I don't carry a pistol to become a hero, I do it so that I might avoid becoming a statistic.
__________________
“If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth.” Ronald Reagan

I'm a proud member of a North Carolina Committee of Safety
obxned is offline  
Old April 11, 2008, 12:52 PM   #31
Billy Sparks
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 10, 1999
Location: Winston-Salem, NC 27105
Posts: 745
Quote:
understand the general theme of what you are saying, but please tell us why you think it is a problem in our culture. How many people have you seen carrying a concealed weapon whom you thought had a Rambo mentality? What someone says on a web forum and what happens in real-life are two entirely different things.
Maybe I should have been more specific. I meant the culture of gun owners on internet forums and such. It becomes a problem when what we say gets used against us or allows some newbie to think it is perfectly okay to ID a target with a ACOG on a rifle or draw down on a homeless person. It becomes a problem when people posting on a public internet forum are suggesting things that are borderline illegal if not fully.

Quote:
I don't carry a pistol to become a hero, I do it so that I might avoid becoming a statistic.
There is the main reason I carry and quite frankly I can avoid 80% of the situations that might cause me to draw a gun.
Billy Sparks is offline  
Old April 11, 2008, 02:20 PM   #32
FireMax
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 14, 2008
Location: MOLON LABE
Posts: 1,063
Quote:
wildalaska
Thank god I had carried my M1A all around the house that day in the ready position with my TACTICAL sling, you never know when there might be a HOME INVASION on a Sunday afternoon....
It's easy to make light of these types of situations.... until it happens to you. I just read about a woman in Orlando who had stopped by Wal Mart at 6am with her 1 year old baby. When she was walking back to her car, a perp forced her into her car, and raped her while her 1 year old baby was in the back seat. http://usatoday.feedroom.com/?fr_sto...006&rf=sitemap

Yeah, it's really easy to make light of the reality. Most of us will never need to ever draw our guns at home or while conceal carrying. However, in our society, these types of things happen all too often. It's best to be prepared.
__________________
Bob Barr for President 2008
Conservative. NRA Board Member. Conservatives Do Have a Choice in November.
Official Site: www.bobbarr2008.com >>> Barr on Hannity & Colmes
FireMax is offline  
Old April 11, 2008, 02:44 PM   #33
ssilicon
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 5, 2005
Posts: 459
It is the antis that are truly fearful.

The antis suffer from burry head in sand disease. They are so frightful of the prospect that there are bad people in this world and cannot bear to believe it, that they hide from that truth.

And with their heads burried so far in the sand about the nature of (some) people, they fail to see any valid purpose a lawful use of a gun. After all, if you don't acknowledge that there are evil doers about, then why would you need a firearm for protection?

So then, they (the antis) start to speculate about why somone so deperately wants to carry a gun around if it has no benign purpose.... eureka! They must want it for a malevolent purpose of some kind. The irony is then, that they actually start to see proponents of firearms for SD as being bad evil people (that they fear).

It is a mentally deffective, fearful twist of insane reasoning that these anti fools operate under. They are some of the most cowardly, fearful, unwilling to take personal responsability sorry representations of human beings there are. And they DARE to call those of us who do have the courage to take personal responsability cowards?

In short, the antis want to ban guns because it is their equivilent version of pulling to covers up over their head so they do not have to face the real world. The world they do not wish to accept because it frightens them. :barf:
ssilicon is offline  
Old April 11, 2008, 02:57 PM   #34
pesta2
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 1, 2006
Location: Fairmont, WV
Posts: 1,682
Quote:
you should have seen that GOBLIN disguised as a Girl Scout Cookie salesgirl run!
Wild you have it easy. For some reason at the exact same time and day Monday through Saturday some guy wearing a uniform no doubt (I think he is a jackbooted thug) comes to my house and no less steps on my porch. He then proceeds to put information packets into this metal box that was installed on the exterior wall. I draw on him every day with my .300 mag with attached 10 power scope while peaking out behind the blind (for some reason everything is blurry though). I swear if I ever find out whom he is, what is this USPS anyways?
__________________
http://www.stevekonya.com
pesta2 is offline  
Old April 11, 2008, 03:27 PM   #35
Jermtheory
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 20, 2007
Posts: 1,283
well,speaking as a "Rambo"(must be,i own an AR and i carry)...

...although i dont draw down on Girl Scouts.

ive seen many violent attacks in my life(i guess some of us are luckier than others).

never had anyone ive known,killed or hurt from carbon monoxide...yet almost everyone i know has detectors.

go figure.
Jermtheory is offline  
Old April 11, 2008, 03:29 PM   #36
Wildalaska
Junior member
 
Join Date: November 25, 2002
Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska
Posts: 14,172
Quote:
I just read about a woman in Orlando who had stopped by Wal Mart at 6am with her 1 year old baby. When she was walking back to her car, a perp forced her into her car, and raped her while her 1 year old baby was in the back seat. http://usatoday.feedroom.com/?fr_sto...006&rf=sitemap
I just read about a lightning strike, so now I'm going to wear a lightning rod on my head

Quote:
The antis suffer from burry head in sand disease. They are so frightful of the prospect that there are bad people in this world and cannot bear to believe it, that they hide from that truth.
My 75 year old mom goes out every day in Raliegh, North Carolina, unarmed. Is she hiding from the truth?

Quote:
Maybe I should have been more specific. I meant the culture of gun owners on internet forums and such.
Thank you Billy...now you can be a "anti" too...I was fat and lonely!

Quote:
I swear if I ever find out whom he is, what is this USPS anyways?
Dude you are in big trouble, bet they follow you to work too

WildoroborousAlaska ™
Wildalaska is offline  
Old April 11, 2008, 03:33 PM   #37
FireMax
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 14, 2008
Location: MOLON LABE
Posts: 1,063
Quote:
Quote:
firemax
I just read about a woman in Orlando who had stopped by Wal Mart at 6am with her 1 year old baby. When she was walking back to her car, a perp forced her into her car, and raped her while her 1 year old baby was in the back seat. http://usatoday.feedroom.com/?fr_sto...006&rf=sitemap
I just read about a lightning strike, so now I'm going to wear a lightning rod on my head
I think you are a little late on that.
__________________
Bob Barr for President 2008
Conservative. NRA Board Member. Conservatives Do Have a Choice in November.
Official Site: www.bobbarr2008.com >>> Barr on Hannity & Colmes
FireMax is offline  
Old April 11, 2008, 03:33 PM   #38
Wildalaska
Junior member
 
Join Date: November 25, 2002
Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska
Posts: 14,172
Quote:
well,speaking as a "Rambo"(must be,i own an AR and i carry
Thats where you miss thge whole point. Ownership of ninjatools and carrying, in and of themselves, does not a Rambo make.

Wildthinkjermthink!Alaska ™
Wildalaska is offline  
Old April 11, 2008, 03:38 PM   #39
Jermtheory
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 20, 2007
Posts: 1,283
Quote:
Thats where you miss thge whole point. Ownership of ninjatools and carrying, in and of themselves, does not a Rambo make.
does that mean i cant take out bg's shooting from the hip,while bullets dodge me(and all of the bystander's)?
Jermtheory is offline  
Old April 12, 2008, 07:31 PM   #40
wncchester
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 1, 2002
Posts: 2,832
From the article: "Good Guy pulls his own gun and kills Bad Guy, saving lives and becoming a hero. In real life that rarely if ever happens."

Certainly true, as it's stated and as any liberal would see it. But, I think it might become much less rare if real "common sense" gun laws permited more sane folks to carry without fear of legal reactions. Right now most of us are as helpless as the sheeple when murderous idiots pull out their arms and start shooting!
wncchester is offline  
Old April 12, 2008, 08:32 PM   #41
elza
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 31, 2007
Location: North Texas
Posts: 138
Quote:
That conclusion was crystallized for me years ago when a state legislator from suburban Atlanta announced in a gun debate that he would never dare to dine in an Atlanta restaurant unless he was carrying a firearm.
I don’t share the same outlook as this un-named legislator. If I won’t go someplace unarmed I wouldn’t go there armed either. I don’t go looking for trouble. Quite the opposite; I avoid it at all costs. Unfortunately trouble has a bad habit of finding people in the best of places. I carry just in case this happens to me.

As to the ‘Rambo syndrome’ I’ve encountered it over the internet but never in real life.
__________________
Fred Schroeder
NRA Life Member
"Behold the superfluous. They are always sick. They vomit their gall and call it a newspaper." Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche 1844-1900
elza is offline  
Old April 13, 2008, 12:08 PM   #42
jakeswensonmt
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 31, 2006
Location: Western Montana
Posts: 913
If you grabbed a shovel and followed a bull around in a very short time you could fill a wheelbarrel full of opinions better than Jay Bookman's.
jakeswensonmt is offline  
Old April 14, 2008, 01:21 AM   #43
Yellowfin
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 7, 2007
Location: Lancaster Co, PA
Posts: 2,311
I simply defend that which is valuable to my soon-to-be wife and our family just the same as one guards a bank bag full of cash. No further aspirations than that. Any violence is the other party's choice; mine is merely not being on the losing end.
Yellowfin is offline  
 


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:48 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2021 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Page generated in 0.10568 seconds with 8 queries