Shoot or Talk?

[AZAK]

After spending a lot of time in the Soviet sticks, I don't care for peasants one whit. The Communist Manifesto had an excellent point in complimenting the bourgeoisie for rescuing a considerable part of the population from the idiocy of rural life. I am all in favor of elitism, provided that anyone can join in on personal merits. If American exceptionalism has any lesson to benefit the sullen masses

(emphasis mine.)

Shall we take a look at the actual mechanics involved here? And since you are mixing your political, social and time periods together, how about the "While Man's" approach to the Native American.

And while the Fairy tale that "anyone" can succeed like Lincoln, truly how many of the elite are "of and for the people?"

Unfortunately, it seems to me that you are taking a "means justifies the ends" approach to life/world view. And a very solid us/them mentality. In that I assert that I will continue to disagree and again state, "Tu quoque."

If you personally find that you enjoy purchasing 2K+ firearms I am happy that you have found your boundaries; however, please to not pretend to impose your personal opinion upon the rest of "the people" as more than your opinion.

[JAYBIRD78]

I just love these armchair romps.

One mans garbage is another mans treasure.

Can't we just all agree that Glocks, Ket-tecs and Smiths with internal locks are crap.

Some people have $7500 guns, some people have $500 guns.

Some people drive a Bentley, and some drive a Chevy.

Both get the job done in the end, correct?

This is the essence of class struggle, we should all become socialists so that everyone is the same.

OH YEAH I forgot, everyone bleeds the same color and still wipes their own ass.

[NRAhab]

It takes a peasant mind to parlay these reasons into the all-encompassing mindset that Tupperware is better than porcelain.

So I'll take that as a no, then? You wouldn't want to go mano-y-mano with Dave Sevigny? How about me? I've got a box stock Glock 24 that I'm adding Trijicon Red-Dot to, so that makes the "out of the box" value of the gun and all its parts about 1k, even though I only paid $700. We can have a shoot-off, I think it would be fun.

What's hilarious is that I never said Glocks (or Paras, or Berettas, or whatever) were/are better than your 2k blasters, all I said was that dismissing a gun because of the price tag is a pretty stupid way to go about life.

[Rembrandt]

Unfortunately we American colonist failed to preserve some of the finer elements of the British Sportsman. A time when the avid sportsman attired in his smoking jacket savored cognac and fine cigars in the study with his companions. From there they would dress in fine English tweeds, jump in the Bently for an afternoon in the country. The game keepers would beat the brush pushing game while the ladies loaded shotguns for the gentlemen....aaah yes, back when shooting and hunting was done in style.

[larvatus]

Shall we take a look at the actual mechanics involved here? And since you are mixing your political, social and time periods together, how about the "While Man's" approach to the Native American.

The White Man's approach to the alternatively complexioned underwent considerable improvement in the five decades of my lifetime. I was six years old when Martin Luther King, Jr. challenged America to become a nation where his children will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I cannot think of another country that comes closer to realizing this principle. Can you?

And while the Fairy tale that "anyone" can succeed like Lincoln, truly how many of the elite are "of and for the people?"

What did Danton lose his head for, or why was there a Napoleon, if it wasn't to make a nobility of us all? And this universal eligibility to be noble, taught everywhere, was what gave Simon airs of honor, Iroquois posture and eagle bearing, the lithe step that didn't crack a twig, the grace of Chevalier Bayard and the hand of Cincinnatus at the plow, the industry of a Nassau Street match-boy who became the king of corporations.
-- Saul Bellow, The Adventures of Augie March

Unfortunately, it seems to me that you are taking a "means justifies the ends" approach to life/world view. And a very solid us/them mentality. In that I assert that I will continue to disagree and again state, "Tu quoque."

What exactly does that mean, beyond a hifalutin way of saying "I'm rubber and you're glue, everything you say bounces off of me and sticks on you"? As it happens, I am very much in favor of the idea that the means justify the end. If you meant to tar me with the Machiavellian brush, consider transposing your terms. Likewise, I endorse a very solid us/them mentality, against the hopeful notion that walls are good only for being torn down. Perhaps you could humor me by spelling out a more sound principle for our commonwealth.

If you personally find that you enjoy purchasing 2K+ firearms I am happy that you have found your boundaries; however, please to not pretend to impose your personal opinion upon the rest of "the people" as more than your opinion.

Since I never pretended to impose my personal opinion upon anyone else, it seems to me that what you are really claiming here is a right not to be confronted with opinions that offend your delicate sensibilities. Get over it already. This world is big enough for each of us to have his say.

[larvatus]

So I'll take that as a no, then? You wouldn't want to go mano-y-mano with Dave Sevigny? How about me? I've got a box stock Glock 24 that I'm adding Trijicon Red-Dot to, so that makes the "out of the box" value of the gun and all its parts about 1k, even though I only paid $700. We can have a shoot-off, I think it would be fun.

When I said that I don't compete, I left out one possibility. It is my custom to accept proper challenges to a duel. Needless to say, as the challenged party, I would get to choose the arms.

What's hilarious is that I never said Glocks (or Paras, or Berettas, or whatever) were/are better than your 2k blasters, all I said was that dismissing a gun because of the price tag is a pretty stupid way to go about life.

I feel your pain. It's all gone downhill since they outlawed literacy tests for breathing.

[Wildalaska]

You know philosophically, Larvatus has a point...for indeed isn't it socialist to consider that all things are equal? We all scream about politically correct cultural relativism in terms of Western Culture vis a vis the world, why can't we recognize that in terms of socio politcal refinement? Class envy? Lets face it, a $2000 pistol qua pistol is more refined than a $150 Bersa, The great Masters of Art and Music rise above the seething pap of pop culture...surely you don't consider the collected works of Bach to be the equal to the collected works of Johnny Rotten, nor Pynchon as opposed to Dick and jane or manga.

I too beleive in the liberation of the peasantry, lumpenproletariat and proletariat from their shackles...which shackles, under American capitalism, are self imposed.

I could go on but would stray into forbidden areas....in that regard, consider....I don't envy anyone elses life, although I may not want to live some. We should all aspire to owning things like registered magnums, SIG 210s...

WildgoodbooksgoodgunsgoodmusicAlaska TM

[NRAhab]

I can't speak for anyone but me, but like I said above, I never said that a 2k Sig wasn't "better" than a Glock - much like my Lexus is a much better car than my old Ford Explorer. I like nice, expensive things, and I deeply appreciate the quality that that the extra cost often brings.

What I am saying is that I would be an idiot to dismiss the Explorer on the grounds of price tag alone. Because I see the inherent value in a thing that may not be so pretty, but is functional and fulfills an important role. It's not that the tupperware is the equal of the fine china, but you can't dismiss the value of tupperware and call the people who use it peasants because you don't have to.

And to larvatus, I'll tell you what - I'll knock the Trijicon off my Glock and switch to the non-ported barrel, if would make you feel more comfortable.

What do you say to 10 rounds on the clock at a standard IDPA target at 10 yards? Two mags with five rounds each, fire five, do a reload on the clock, and fire the next fire? Standard IDPA scoring, so hits outside of the "down zero" zone add additional time to your raw score, fastest time wins.

I mean hey, I've got nothing to lose here. If I lose, that means I got beat by someone with a gun that cost roughly 2.5 times what my gun cost, there's no shame in a Ford Explorer being beaten in a race by a Porsche.

[larvatus]

What do you say to 10 rounds on the clock at a standard IDPA target at 10 yards?

You seem to be unclear on the concept of dueling.

[larvatus]

You know philosophically, Larvatus has a point...for indeed isn't it socialist to consider that all things are equal?

When I worked in law enforcement in the early Eighties, the ultimate duty gun was a Colt Python. It seems that today every constable clamors for "combat Tupperware". Ironically, by the time their agency fails at teaching them the elements of safety, they will have had enough sweat equity vested into them to cover the cost of several blue steel duty guns.

[Wildalaska]

It's not that the tupperware is the equal of the fine china, but you can't dismiss the value of tupperware and call the people who use it peasants because you don't have to.

Why not?

WildisnthtattheamericanwayAlaska TM

[NRAhab]

Okay, like I said - I guess when it's time to shoot, you'd rather just talk. And I'm totally fine with that, this little verbal tango has been kind of fun. But now that I've gotten what I came for, I think I'll take my leave of this thread.

[TheBluesMan]

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