April 16, 2024, 10:38 AM | #26 | |
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I shoot my Glock 23 with reset trigger. It is almost like a DA/SA. If I don't reset the trigger (totally let go of the trigger after each shot) the trigger is indeed consistent DA-like. -TL Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk |
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April 16, 2024, 03:47 PM | #27 |
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Couple months ago I bought boy a CZ-75. I forget further nomenclature, it’s a discontinued model. He found it because he couldn’t wait to get a deal on a Browning HP.
Ok the point is he just got it and had shot a box of S&B 9mm, more less plinking. He is already taking about trigger kits, aftermarket performance parts, etc. How many shooters are capable of gaining any advantage from this stuff? Not many is my answer. These combat style pistols are for shooting people either defensively or offensively. Neither one is match shooting. If not involved in competition you are better off to put the money into ammo and range time. |
April 16, 2024, 04:17 PM | #28 |
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Case for DA/SA…
Point taken. I was reacting to the implication in the original comment that these designs were seemingly forced upon ignorant Americans by Europeans who thought they knew better, without acknowledging that the designs themselves were popular with Americans even in the presence of other options. People actually did, and some still do, like DA/SA, which is why American manufacturers then designed and produced their own pistols with that action type.
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April 16, 2024, 04:45 PM | #29 | |
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It may be that the trade-off for the perceived safety of hammer down carry is worth it to some people, for some use cases. But the trade-off is real, and unavoidable. I don't personally have a need for it. |
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April 16, 2024, 04:59 PM | #30 | |
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My point was some of the difficulty can be mitigated, like many things, with training, and in my experience a lot of people don’t like things without necessarily spending the time to get better at them. The videos are meant as tips for other people working on getting better with DA/SA, and also to illustrate that some of your points about DA/SA, from my experience, don’t always hold true. I will reiterate again on this thread that I have said that if someone didn’t want to invest that training that it was their call. It’s completely reasonable to share why you don’t like DA/SA, as to a large extent that is the point of this thread. |
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April 16, 2024, 06:52 PM | #31 |
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Post-war fascination with the P-38 set back service pistol design for decades.
DA/SA is a bureaucrat's gun, something that an administrator would choose for people who have to do the actual shooting. I had one for a short time, put maybe 200 rounds through it, then quickly sold it on.
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April 16, 2024, 08:03 PM | #32 |
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1. I like a heavy first pull instead of a safety.
2. I like having a second strike with the pull of a trigger in case a primer doesn't ignite right away. 3. I like to have the ability to place a thumb on the hammer when holstering. 4. I don't have to pull the trigger to remove the slide. 5. While most DA/SA triggers have some take up, it doesn't feel like a staple gun. 6. I don't like triggers with a "dingus" or an extra hinge in the middle. |
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I consider both of those cases as a bit of a training issue more than a real case. This is honestly, probably me not hearing the case as valid. At this point I’ve converted to an SA or striker gun with well shootable triggers and manual safeties. I’m comfortable enough where I’m at. Still interested in learning. That said, i don’t have to shoot DA to SA transitions well. I hope someone is doing that under 0.4s. |
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If people are comfortable with cocked and locked, or with pistols that can be carried that way, then they would likely be carrying that way. The fact that they are not means that option is probably off the table for them and so it doesn't make sense to use it as a basis for comparison. I think the two biggest reasons that people (who have thought about the issue vs. just buying a gun that they like) have for buying DA/SA is that they: Want to carry a chambered round but don't want to or can't carry an SA cocked and locked. or Want to carry a gun without a safety but don't want to manually chamber a round before shooting and don't want to or can't carry a striker-fired gun.
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I suppose one possible reason we "still" have DA/SA semi autos is because it gives people options.
Of the dozens of pistols I've owned over the years, only 4 have been DA/SA designs. The Mauser HSc, and the Walther P.38 because of their historical significance, not because of their function. The Browning BDA .45, which is a true gem, and I feel the best DA/SA service class pistol. and a truly unique one, the Wildey .45 Win Mag. I have no clue why Wildey designed it that way, but he did.
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What you wrote here is interesting for sure… it’s also absolutely false. It’s especially curious that you brought up a 1006 in to the conversation too. The 1006 setup is the same as the 4506 (and the 5906 and the 4006) and they all work the same, and NOT the way you detailed in your post. Lever forward/horizontal and you can fire. Long double action if the hammer is down or short pull single action if your hammer is cocked. If/when you lower that slide-mounted lever, the pistol is made safe. If it was cocked, the hammer will fall in concert with the lever throw, and it will be decocked. If the hammer was already down, nothing will fall but your trigger will be wholly disconnected from the hammer and the sear. There were precious few S&W 1-2-3rd Gen pistols with the ability to cock & lock, and of those precious few, none had decock levers. (52, 745, 845, 3566 Limited, 952, Super 9, PPC-9, 4006 Limited)
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A fair and correct comment. I was not referring to this thread - but there seems to me a lot of animus in other discussions against an "unnecessary" safety on a DA/SA pistol.
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April 17, 2024, 05:48 PM | #39 | |
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I don’t think a person saying they think a manual safety on a DA/SA is unnecessary is the same as questioning someone’s manliness, though. I don’t want a manual safety on a DA/SA pistol because I think it’s superfluous, not because I’m afraid it will put my masculinity into question. At the end of the day what some other person chooses to use to defend themselves is their business, and unless it directly impacts my safety I generally don’t care. |
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I have a PX4, type F, which is exactly what I wanted. Great pistol. Soft shooter. The transition from DA to SA is noticeable. I shoot better SA than the first shot in DA, no doubt. My next pistol will be a FN Reflex with a manual safety, when that pistol becomes available. We all have our reasons and comfort zone.
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