Disappointed in PMP (Denel) 9x19 FMJ

Oleg Volk · August 17, 2000, 11:22 PM

Picked up 500 rounds as an alternative to Fiocchi. Should have stayed with Fiocchi: PMP has more of a muzzle flash and, coming out of a Glock 17, a shower of sparks! Really freaking annoying and conductive to flinching.

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Big Al · August 18, 2000, 09:37 AM

Oleg,

I'm surprised that you've had trouble with the PMP stuff - I ordered 1000 rounds a couple of moths ago and it works really well in my Glock 19. To be honest, it's really quite accurate; way more accurate than the UMC crap from Wally World and it's more accurate than the last 1000 rounds of S&B I had. It's a bit milder than the S&B stuff, but it seems to be more accurate and it's WAY cleaner. I've never noticed any exhorbitant muzzle flash or sparks from the PMP stuff - mabye you got a bad batch.

P.S. have you tried the NAA guardian finer extensions on you P32 yet?

AL

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Matt VDW · August 18, 2000, 09:37 AM

I've shot a box or two of the PMP and the flash hasn't bothered me. As cheap as it is, I'm not going to complain!

Oris · August 18, 2000, 10:36 AM

I did notice some sparks too while shooting
PMP ammo in CZ-75B. PMP seems to be a lot milder load than Fiocchi, which is my favorite brand in 9x19. On the positive note,
I must also admit that 9mm PMP seems to be a very, very accurate ammo, I was really surprised that it was at least as good as Fiocchi in accuracy department.

Oleg Volk · August 18, 2000, 11:44 AM

Accuracy seemed OK. I have not fired my Glock 17 in a long time and, even with my flinching, could do very well last night. I finally got used to Glock triggers, I guess. I fired a few rounds of several other brands side by side and PMP produced sparks and others did not. I am going back to Fiocchi.

Interestingly, the G17 with that crappy ammo was enough to get a first-time shooter hooked. She was with her BF who was starting her out on a Cobray. I fired that specific Cobray and, while it was fairly accurate and 100% reliable, it was also heavy and ill-balanced, and had a muzzle brake...not a good gun for a petit first time user. I lend them my K17 .22 S&W, then let them try the G17. After the first mag, the girl said: this is waaay cool, could I shoot a few more mags through it?"

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Oleg Volk · August 18, 2000, 11:54 AM

And now Fiocchi doesn't seem to be available anywhere...doh!

Ben · August 18, 2000, 01:11 PM

Fiocchi is usually available at Galyans for cheap. I don't know if there's a Galyans near you though :| You've got a GREAT site by the way.

take care
Ben

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Walt Sherrill · August 18, 2000, 10:58 PM

I've shot lots (1000s of rounds) of Sellier & Bellot 9mm , nearly as much PMP and Denel, IMI, and Magtech. I get whichever of the bunch are cheapest when I need to buy. If they're all about the same, I go with S&B.

I agree with someone else, though: I think the Denel is loaded a tad lighter than the rest. (With S&B just a bit hotter and dirtier. But I really like it. I've gotten three cases in the last three months.)

(I've had a lot of misfires and squibs with Blazer; it is no longer a brand I'll use.)

Stephen A. Camp · August 20, 2000, 08:59 AM

Hello. The PMP 115 gr ball averages 1125 ft/sec from my Browning HP. I don't have figures on the S&B and Fiochhi. PMP is accurate ammo, but as has been noted, a little light on velocity. Still, for the price and punching paper, it is fine. Best.

August 17, 2000, 11:22 PM	#1
Oleg Volk Staff Alumnus Join Date: December 6, 1999 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 7,022	Picked up 500 rounds as an alternative to Fiocchi. Should have stayed with Fiocchi: PMP has more of a muzzle flash and, coming out of a Glock 17, a shower of sparks! Really freaking annoying and conductive to flinching. ------------------ Oleg "peacemonger" Volk http://dd-b.net/RKBA

August 18, 2000, 09:37 AM	#2
Big Al Senior Member Join Date: January 3, 2000 Location: West "By God" Virginny, USA Posts: 364	Oleg, I'm surprised that you've had trouble with the PMP stuff - I ordered 1000 rounds a couple of moths ago and it works really well in my Glock 19. To be honest, it's really quite accurate; way more accurate than the UMC crap from Wally World and it's more accurate than the last 1000 rounds of S&B I had. It's a bit milder than the S&B stuff, but it seems to be more accurate and it's WAY cleaner. I've never noticed any exhorbitant muzzle flash or sparks from the PMP stuff - mabye you got a bad batch. P.S. have you tried the NAA guardian finer extensions on you P32 yet? AL ------------------ Glock 19 S&W 629 Classic KelTec P32 "Oh yeah? Well I talk LOOOUDLY! And I carry a BIIIGGER stick! And I'll use it, too." -Yoesemite Sam

August 18, 2000, 09:37 AM	#3
Matt VDW Senior Member Join Date: July 27, 1999 Posts: 1,315	I've shot a box or two of the PMP and the flash hasn't bothered me. As cheap as it is, I'm not going to complain!

August 18, 2000, 10:36 AM	#4
Oris Junior member Join Date: October 2, 1999 Posts: 566	I did notice some sparks too while shooting PMP ammo in CZ-75B. PMP seems to be a lot milder load than Fiocchi, which is my favorite brand in 9x19. On the positive note, I must also admit that 9mm PMP seems to be a very, very accurate ammo, I was really surprised that it was at least as good as Fiocchi in accuracy department.

August 18, 2000, 11:44 AM	#5
Oleg Volk Staff Alumnus Join Date: December 6, 1999 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 7,022	Accuracy seemed OK. I have not fired my Glock 17 in a long time and, even with my flinching, could do very well last night. I finally got used to Glock triggers, I guess. I fired a few rounds of several other brands side by side and PMP produced sparks and others did not. I am going back to Fiocchi. Interestingly, the G17 with that crappy ammo was enough to get a first-time shooter hooked. She was with her BF who was starting her out on a Cobray. I fired that specific Cobray and, while it was fairly accurate and 100% reliable, it was also heavy and ill-balanced, and had a muzzle brake...not a good gun for a petit first time user. I lend them my K17 .22 S&W, then let them try the G17. After the first mag, the girl said: this is waaay cool, could I shoot a few more mags through it?" ------------------ Oleg "peacemonger" Volk http://dd-b.net/RKBA

August 18, 2000, 11:54 AM	#6
Oleg Volk Staff Alumnus Join Date: December 6, 1999 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 7,022	And now Fiocchi doesn't seem to be available anywhere...doh!

August 18, 2000, 01:11 PM	#7
Ben Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 1999 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,633	Fiocchi is usually available at Galyans for cheap. I don't know if there's a Galyans near you though :\| You've got a GREAT site by the way. take care Ben ------------------ Almost Online IM: BenK911 ICQ # 53788523 "Gun Control Is Being Able To Hit Your Target" [This message has been edited by Ben (edited August 18, 2000).]

August 18, 2000, 10:58 PM	#8
Walt Sherrill Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 1999 Location: Winston-Salem, NC USA Posts: 6,348	I've shot lots (1000s of rounds) of Sellier & Bellot 9mm , nearly as much PMP and Denel, IMI, and Magtech. I get whichever of the bunch are cheapest when I need to buy. If they're all about the same, I go with S&B. I agree with someone else, though: I think the Denel is loaded a tad lighter than the rest. (With S&B just a bit hotter and dirtier. But I really like it. I've gotten three cases in the last three months.) (I've had a lot of misfires and squibs with Blazer; it is no longer a brand I'll use.)

August 20, 2000, 08:59 AM	#9
Stephen A. Camp Staff In Memoriam Join Date: April 16, 1999 Posts: 2,570	Hello. The PMP 115 gr ball averages 1125 ft/sec from my Browning HP. I don't have figures on the S&B and Fiochhi. PMP is accurate ammo, but as has been noted, a little light on velocity. Still, for the price and punching paper, it is fine. Best.