Installing wilson muzzle brake, I would like o double check what my gunsmith told me.

NYCOP · December 10, 2002, 01:25 PM

Does the barrel have to be torqued or can it only go one way? does anything need to be torqued? Or just tighten intill it is lined up? if I am not going to permenatly install should I use some kind of lock tight? should I install the set screw? should I put locktight on the barrel or the set screw or both? thanks
P.S feel free to add anything that I did not cover.

Glockster35 · December 10, 2002, 03:59 PM

My answers are based on not knowing what type of rifle you are inquiring about.

Does the barrel have to be torqued or can it only go one way?
Yes, it should only go on one way, and should be torqued after being lined up, for dependability and accuracy reasons. Depending on the rifgle this might be used for headspacing also.

If I am not going to permenatly install should I use some kind of lock tight?
Locktite would be a no-go for me. I would want to be able to easily replace the barrel if need be. Not sure what type of stuff you would use here. Will also depend on the gun I think.

Should I install the set screw? Should I put locktight on the barrel or the set screw or both?
I would locktite a set screw to make sure it doesn't back itself out. I would never loctite a barrel.

Hope this helps you out some. Without more specifics I can't do much more for you.

AR-10 · December 10, 2002, 06:44 PM

You are talking about installing a muzzle brake on an AR-15, right?

Is the end of the barrel threaded on the outside?

If it is, is the rifle lower a pre-ban or a post-ban?

If it is a post-ban, you will need to attach the muzzle brake in such a permanent way that it would be better if a qualified gunsmith did it for you. It will need to be pinned and welded, or pinned and soldered with a high temp solder.

If it is a pre-ban rifle, you need a peel (?) washer.

If you are going to use a brake that slips on an unthreaded barrel and then is held tight with screws, just throw the brake away. It will go flying sooner or later anyway.

dZ · December 11, 2002, 12:35 AM

http://www.fulton-armory.com/M16Parts3.htm

Flash Suppressor Crush Washer, f/A2 Suppressor
Tired of messing with those fershuggina peel washers? This is the answer!

$2.95

NYCOP · December 11, 2002, 02:45 AM

I am having my gunsmith thread my barrel to put the wilson muzzle brake on, my ? is since I am giveing him my gun what parts does he need to take off and is there a speical way to take them off and then put them back on so I get my gun back just the way I gave it to (but with the brake on it now) http://www.wilsoncombat.com/ar/muzz_break.asp

NYCOP · December 11, 2002, 02:52 AM

Bushmaster A3 20 inch Hbar

dZ · December 11, 2002, 12:11 PM

it doesn't sound like your smith knows ARs

i would send it to Kurts Kustom and have him lightweight profile the barrel while its in the lathe and repark the whole deal.
http://www.kurtskustomfirearms.citym.../page/8932.htm
i gather since you are a police officer you are building it for "duty" use

didja know that when you retire, yer baby becomes contraban?

NYCOP · December 11, 2002, 02:24 PM

Why do you say it is for duty use?

dZ · December 11, 2002, 11:07 PM

only LEOs getting a rifle on department letterhead can buy a post 1994 rifle in a preban configuration

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

AR-10 · December 11, 2002, 11:32 PM

The wilson brake he is looking at is not a flash suppressor. As long as he has the brake installed permanently, so that it cannot be removed, the upper will still be post-ban. Assuming he does not have a bayonet lug.

Interesting that the Wilson site does not spell brake correctly.

Redlg155 · December 12, 2002, 12:33 AM

As stated before, if it is a pre ban or LEO weapon you need a peel washer or what DZ mentioned, but then If I had a pre ban I'd rather use an A2 flash supressor/brake that is commonly available for a fraction of the cost.

I don't think Wilson Combat makes their brake as a sleeve type item, much like Olympic Arms brakes that secure with a set screw. The Wilson brakes need to be installed by a competent gunsmith.

I would suggest sending it off as it sounds like your Smithy doesn't really know too much about ARs. As mentioned in a previous response, I'd give a lot of though towards going to Kurts. I think his Tuac Brake looks more authentic. Price and turnaround time are about the same, with the Wilson time frame being a little faster if they are accurate with the stated 3 weeks.

Good Shooting
RED

December 10, 2002, 01:25 PM	#1
NYCOP Member Join Date: October 23, 2002 Posts: 64	Installing wilson muzzle brake, I would like o double check what my gunsmith told me. Does the barrel have to be torqued or can it only go one way? does anything need to be torqued? Or just tighten intill it is lined up? if I am not going to permenatly install should I use some kind of lock tight? should I install the set screw? should I put locktight on the barrel or the set screw or both? thanks P.S feel free to add anything that I did not cover.

December 11, 2002, 12:35 AM	#4
dZ Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 1999 Location: Exiled, Fetid Swamp, DC Posts: 7,548	http://www.fulton-armory.com/M16Parts3.htm Flash Suppressor Crush Washer, f/A2 Suppressor Tired of messing with those fershuggina peel washers? This is the answer! $2.95 __________________ "O tell the Lacedomecians to damn the torpedoes." BOTR, Chapter V: Some Monsters

December 11, 2002, 12:11 PM	#7
dZ Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 1999 Location: Exiled, Fetid Swamp, DC Posts: 7,548	it doesn't sound like your smith knows ARs i would send it to Kurts Kustom and have him lightweight profile the barrel while its in the lathe and repark the whole deal. http://www.kurtskustomfirearms.citym.../page/8932.htm i gather since you are a police officer you are building it for "duty" use didja know that when you retire, yer baby becomes contraban? __________________ "O tell the Lacedomecians to damn the torpedoes." BOTR, Chapter V: Some Monsters

December 11, 2002, 02:24 PM	#8
NYCOP Member Join Date: October 23, 2002 Posts: 64	Why do you say it is for duty use? __________________ BUSHMASTER AR-15 A3 20 INCH H/BAR, HANDLE MOUNTED COLT SCOPE 3/20.

December 11, 2002, 11:07 PM	#9
dZ Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 1999 Location: Exiled, Fetid Swamp, DC Posts: 7,548	only LEOs getting a rifle on department letterhead can buy a post 1994 rifle in a preban configuration "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." __________________ "O tell the Lacedomecians to damn the torpedoes." BOTR, Chapter V: Some Monsters

December 10, 2002, 03:59 PM	#2
Glockster35 Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2001 Location: Spangdahlem AB, Germany Posts: 223	My answers are based on not knowing what type of rifle you are inquiring about. Does the barrel have to be torqued or can it only go one way? Yes, it should only go on one way, and should be torqued after being lined up, for dependability and accuracy reasons. Depending on the rifgle this might be used for headspacing also. If I am not going to permenatly install should I use some kind of lock tight? Locktite would be a no-go for me. I would want to be able to easily replace the barrel if need be. Not sure what type of stuff you would use here. Will also depend on the gun I think. Should I install the set screw? Should I put locktight on the barrel or the set screw or both? I would locktite a set screw to make sure it doesn't back itself out. I would never loctite a barrel. Hope this helps you out some. Without more specifics I can't do much more for you.

December 10, 2002, 06:44 PM	#3
AR-10 Senior Member Join Date: January 10, 2001 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,182	You are talking about installing a muzzle brake on an AR-15, right? Is the end of the barrel threaded on the outside? If it is, is the rifle lower a pre-ban or a post-ban? If it is a post-ban, you will need to attach the muzzle brake in such a permanent way that it would be better if a qualified gunsmith did it for you. It will need to be pinned and welded, or pinned and soldered with a high temp solder. If it is a pre-ban rifle, you need a peel (?) washer. If you are going to use a brake that slips on an unthreaded barrel and then is held tight with screws, just throw the brake away. It will go flying sooner or later anyway.

December 11, 2002, 02:45 AM	#5
NYCOP Member Join Date: October 23, 2002 Posts: 64	I am having my gunsmith thread my barrel to put the wilson muzzle brake on, my ? is since I am giveing him my gun what parts does he need to take off and is there a speical way to take them off and then put them back on so I get my gun back just the way I gave it to (but with the brake on it now) http://www.wilsoncombat.com/ar/muzz_break.asp

December 11, 2002, 02:52 AM	#6
NYCOP Member Join Date: October 23, 2002 Posts: 64	Bushmaster A3 20 inch Hbar

December 11, 2002, 11:32 PM	#10
AR-10 Senior Member Join Date: January 10, 2001 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,182	The wilson brake he is looking at is not a flash suppressor. As long as he has the brake installed permanently, so that it cannot be removed, the upper will still be post-ban. Assuming he does not have a bayonet lug. Interesting that the Wilson site does not spell brake correctly.

December 12, 2002, 12:33 AM	#11
Redlg155 Senior Member Join Date: March 13, 2001 Location: NW Florida Posts: 2,307	As stated before, if it is a pre ban or LEO weapon you need a peel washer or what DZ mentioned, but then If I had a pre ban I'd rather use an A2 flash supressor/brake that is commonly available for a fraction of the cost. I don't think Wilson Combat makes their brake as a sleeve type item, much like Olympic Arms brakes that secure with a set screw. The Wilson brakes need to be installed by a competent gunsmith. I would suggest sending it off as it sounds like your Smithy doesn't really know too much about ARs. As mentioned in a previous response, I'd give a lot of though towards going to Kurts. I think his Tuac Brake looks more authentic. Price and turnaround time are about the same, with the Wilson time frame being a little faster if they are accurate with the stated 3 weeks. Good Shooting RED