Help Me Identify These Guns!!!

Impact of Reason · January 24, 2007, 06:28 PM

My friend (well, kinda) just inherited these old guns from his grandfather, and asked me to help identify them. I have a few ideas about some of them, but I need ya'lls help to be sure. Here are the pictures of the 5 of them.

Gun #1

Gun #2

Gun #3

Gun #4

Gun #5

liliysdad · January 24, 2007, 06:53 PM

#1 is a '73 Winchester.

#2 is a Hungarian M95 of some sort

#3 looks like a Bubba'd 71/84 Mauser, but its hard to tell with the angle

#4 is a Carcano, 91 looks like

#5 looks like Last Ditch 99 Arisaka

Hedley · January 24, 2007, 06:57 PM

edit-Lilly beat me to the punch.

And my guesses were all wrong.

Jim Watson · January 24, 2007, 06:58 PM

1 is an 1873 Winchester saddle ring carbine.
2 is an 1895 Steyr straight pull carbine.
3 is a cut down French Lebel.
4 is an 1888 Comission rifle, 8mm J.
5 is an Arisaka, looks like a late WWII rifle with wood buttplate and simplified bolt knob.

FirstFreedom · January 24, 2007, 07:08 PM

yeah, #4 is definitely a Commission Rifle of 1888, and #1 is the 1873, as mentioned...I did not know the others, but I'm sure these guys have it nailed down for ya. Do NOT shoot modern ammo in any of them until you have them checked out by a gunsmith, and get info from the smith as to what ammo is suitable and what is not. For example, don't shoot anything but commercial hunting ammo or light reloads in 8mm in the commission rifle - NOT hot milsurp ammo.

Hedley · January 24, 2007, 07:13 PM

Wait, I take that back. I was right on the 1888. I feel a little better now.

liliysdad · January 24, 2007, 07:24 PM

dammit, youre right. I honestly do not know why I said that. The barrel shroud is a dead giveaway.

As for the Lebel, that was my first thought, but I couldnt see the steel receiver. Now that I look harder, I can see the receiver and two piece stock.

Impact of Reason · January 24, 2007, 10:26 PM

Thanks guys, I had guessed 1, 2, and 5 correctly, but couldn't get 3 or 4.

270Win · January 25, 2007, 12:18 AM

What are Winchester '73s going for these days?

10 MickeyMouse · January 25, 2007, 01:03 PM

Quote:

1 is an 1873 Winchester saddle ring carbine.
2 is an 1895 Steyr straight pull carbine.
3 is a cut down French Lebel.
4 is an 1888 Comission rifle, 8mm J.
5 is an Arisaka, looks like a late WWII rifle with wood buttplate and simplified bolt knob.

Absolutely correct, but will add this:

#4, some '88 commission rifles and carbines were chambered/rechambered for 8mm JS. Look for an "S" stamped into the top of the reciever. If it does not have an "S" stamp, do not fire 8x57mm JS ammo in it. The older J. Patrone (or I. Patrone) cartridge uses a .318" bullet; the JS uses the modern .323" projectile.

#5, the late-war T.99 Arisaka's were known as "last-ditch". The wood butt plate and lack of forend groove are clues, but the poorly finished bolt knob/rear of bolt and welded barrel bands are the real giveaway's. Be careful; some of the last-ditch rifles were so poorly manufactured they are unsafe to fire (it is rumored that some were made that way deliberately and left behind to injure American GI's that recovered them). I have one and shot it before knowing this. Luckily, it must have been one of the OK ones, as I still have all body parts

. Have it chacked by a good smith. Type 99's are 7.7x58mm.

P.S.: If the Arisaka still has an in-tact crysanthemum on the reciever, it is worth about double.

January 24, 2007, 10:26 PM	#8
Impact of Reason Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2005 Location: nacogdoches, texas Posts: 205	Thanks guys, I had guessed 1, 2, and 5 correctly, but couldn't get 3 or 4. __________________ Those who believe in gun control think that we don't need guns to protect us against an oppressive government, because the Constitution has internal safeguards, and the government should ban and seize all guns, therefore violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments of that Constitution, thereby becoming an oppressive government.

January 24, 2007, 06:28 PM	#1
Impact of Reason Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2005 Location: nacogdoches, texas Posts: 205	Help Me Identify These Guns!!! My friend (well, kinda) just inherited these old guns from his grandfather, and asked me to help identify them. I have a few ideas about some of them, but I need ya'lls help to be sure. Here are the pictures of the 5 of them. Gun #1 Gun #2 Gun #3 Gun #4 Gun #5 __________________ Those who believe in gun control think that we don't need guns to protect us against an oppressive government, because the Constitution has internal safeguards, and the government should ban and seize all guns, therefore violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments of that Constitution, thereby becoming an oppressive government.

January 24, 2007, 06:53 PM	#2
liliysdad Senior Member Join Date: June 7, 2004 Posts: 1,145	#1 is a '73 Winchester. #2 is a Hungarian M95 of some sort #3 looks like a Bubba'd 71/84 Mauser, but its hard to tell with the angle #4 is a Carcano, 91 looks like #5 looks like Last Ditch 99 Arisaka

January 24, 2007, 06:57 PM	#3
Hedley Senior Member Join Date: May 9, 2006 Location: South Texas Posts: 1,279	edit-Lilly beat me to the punch. And my guesses were all wrong.

January 24, 2007, 06:58 PM	#4
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,560	1 is an 1873 Winchester saddle ring carbine. 2 is an 1895 Steyr straight pull carbine. 3 is a cut down French Lebel. 4 is an 1888 Comission rifle, 8mm J. 5 is an Arisaka, looks like a late WWII rifle with wood buttplate and simplified bolt knob.

January 24, 2007, 07:08 PM	#5
FirstFreedom Junior member Join Date: May 31, 2004 Location: The Toll Road State, U.S.A. Posts: 12,451	yeah, #4 is definitely a Commission Rifle of 1888, and #1 is the 1873, as mentioned...I did not know the others, but I'm sure these guys have it nailed down for ya. Do NOT shoot modern ammo in any of them until you have them checked out by a gunsmith, and get info from the smith as to what ammo is suitable and what is not. For example, don't shoot anything but commercial hunting ammo or light reloads in 8mm in the commission rifle - NOT hot milsurp ammo.

January 24, 2007, 07:13 PM	#6
Hedley Senior Member Join Date: May 9, 2006 Location: South Texas Posts: 1,279	Wait, I take that back. I was right on the 1888. I feel a little better now.

January 24, 2007, 07:24 PM	#7
liliysdad Senior Member Join Date: June 7, 2004 Posts: 1,145	dammit, youre right. I honestly do not know why I said that. The barrel shroud is a dead giveaway. As for the Lebel, that was my first thought, but I couldnt see the steel receiver. Now that I look harder, I can see the receiver and two piece stock.

January 25, 2007, 12:18 AM	#9
270Win Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2005 Location: Damascus, Maryland Posts: 921	What are Winchester '73s going for these days?