Remington ShurShot Heavy Dove #6 Self Defense??

Mr.XD9mm · March 19, 2006, 01:14 AM

What do ya'll think about shooting a intruder with 12gauge ShurShot Heavy Dove rounds in #6. 2 3/4 length shells with 1265 FPS loaded with 1 1/8 oz's of shot.Have a full 25qty box would this be a great addition to my 9mmXD?

BobK · March 19, 2006, 01:21 AM

Believe it or not, bird shot does not penetrate enough. Stick with 00 buck.

kudu · March 19, 2006, 08:30 AM

It would be devistating inside of 10-15 feet, past that it spreads it's small pellets too far apart to help insure any pentration. The biggest bird shot I would feel comfortable with is #4 bird shot, even then heavy clothing would restrict some of the penetration, but I would use it inside of 30feet and feel comfortable. I have used the same #4 to kill fox out to 45 yards with the pellets penetrationg to 4" through meat and a few pellets pentrated into the skull. Better yet would be #2's or BB's for self defense.

Sturmgewehr-58 · March 19, 2006, 01:45 PM

It would be perfect for self defense against angry doves.

trigger happy · March 19, 2006, 01:51 PM

nobody will shrug it off

seabat · March 21, 2006, 03:23 PM

the vice pres shot his huntin buddy within 30 yards and he aint dead, stick to xx buck. It's put down many a bad man!!

Death from Afar · March 21, 2006, 04:16 PM

Stick to buckshot unless ranges are real close and over penetration is a real problem. And, of course, pattern your gun with it so you know exactly what it will do ...

Ga Johnny · March 22, 2006, 05:37 PM

if it's all you got, it's better than stick

Death from Afar · March 22, 2006, 06:52 PM

or throwing a rock.

wacki · March 22, 2006, 08:01 PM

For self defense nothing beats "cubic shot", not even 00 buck.

johnbt · March 23, 2006, 08:19 AM

Do you really want a fast opening pattern for self defense?

"12 GAUGE CUBIC SHOT
THESE SHELLS CONTAIN PELLETS EXTRUDED AND CUT INTO SMALL UNIFORM CUBES, RESULTING IN A FAST OPENING LETHAL PATTERN, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME REDUCING THE POSSIBILITY OF RICOCHETS. THESE SHELLS ARE PARTICULARLY EFFECTIVE IN HEAVY COVER ON GAME TARGETS SUCH AS GROUSE, SWAMP RATS, ETC." - http://www.hi-vel.com/Catalog__17/Sp..._ammuniti.html

wacki · March 23, 2006, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Do you really want a fast opening pattern for self defense?

Inside a house? yes.

johnbt · March 23, 2006, 12:20 PM

Why, so some of the load misses the target?

John

wacki · March 23, 2006, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Why, so some of the load misses the target?

Or hits the target when your wife misses, or you get surprised and barely miss.

226 · March 23, 2006, 12:53 PM

Do your research and make your decision based on data; terminal ballistics, proven performance. Personally, I would stay away from exotic shotshells. Other than slugs, there is a reason buckshot is mentioned more often than any other SD / HD / CD/ TEOTWAWKI load. Proven performance, effective measured terminal performance. When you hear advice to pattern the load with "your" shotgun yourself, they are not just blowing smoke up your pant leg. Each shotgun's bore parameters vary slightly so you need to find which load your shotgun patterns best, after you decide on a gauge. Some reading.

Shotgun Home Defense Ammunition

#4 Buck 12 ga.

birdshot for close range

Shotgun home defense loads

Buckshot: How Many Hits are Needed?

Shotguns are 'too dangerous' for home defense...What?!

...

March 19, 2006, 01:14 AM	#1
Mr.XD9mm Senior Member Join Date: September 11, 2005 Posts: 199	Remington ShurShot Heavy Dove #6 Self Defense?? What do ya'll think about shooting a intruder with 12gauge ShurShot Heavy Dove rounds in #6. 2 3/4 length shells with 1265 FPS loaded with 1 1/8 oz's of shot.Have a full 25qty box would this be a great addition to my 9mmXD?

March 19, 2006, 08:30 AM	#3
kudu Senior Member Join Date: May 18, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 273	It would be devistating inside of 10-15 feet, past that it spreads it's small pellets too far apart to help insure any pentration. The biggest bird shot I would feel comfortable with is #4 bird shot, even then heavy clothing would restrict some of the penetration, but I would use it inside of 30feet and feel comfortable. I have used the same #4 to kill fox out to 45 yards with the pellets penetrationg to 4" through meat and a few pellets pentrated into the skull. Better yet would be #2's or BB's for self defense. __________________ "a shootin' we will go"

March 19, 2006, 01:51 PM	#5
trigger happy Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2006 Location: Pensacola Posts: 759	nobody will shrug it off __________________ "You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass" Admiral Yamamoto "You have enemies ? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life" Winston Churchill

March 21, 2006, 04:16 PM	#7
Death from Afar Senior Member Join Date: November 7, 2004 Location: Living the dream in Christchurch, NEW ZEALAND Posts: 1,635	Stick to buckshot unless ranges are real close and over penetration is a real problem. And, of course, pattern your gun with it so you know exactly what it will do ... __________________ "Beware of the Man with one gun...he probably isnt into guns enough to be safe with it".

March 22, 2006, 06:52 PM	#9
Death from Afar Senior Member Join Date: November 7, 2004 Location: Living the dream in Christchurch, NEW ZEALAND Posts: 1,635	or throwing a rock. __________________ "Beware of the Man with one gun...he probably isnt into guns enough to be safe with it".

March 19, 2006, 01:21 AM	#2
BobK Senior Member Join Date: June 19, 2005 Posts: 838	Believe it or not, bird shot does not penetrate enough. Stick with 00 buck.

March 19, 2006, 01:45 PM	#4
Sturmgewehr-58 Member Join Date: June 19, 2004 Posts: 40	It would be perfect for self defense against angry doves. __________________ Thus saith the Lord GOD; This is Jerusalem: I have set it in the midst of the nations and countries that are round about her. And she hath changed my judgments into wickedness more than the nations, and my statutes more than the countries that are round about her: for they have refused my judgments and my statutes, they have not walked in them. Ezekiel 5:5-6

March 21, 2006, 03:23 PM	#6
seabat Junior Member Join Date: March 15, 2006 Posts: 10	ask the VP the vice pres shot his huntin buddy within 30 yards and he aint dead, stick to xx buck. It's put down many a bad man!!

March 22, 2006, 05:37 PM	#8
Ga Johnny Member Join Date: January 19, 2006 Posts: 75	if it's all you got, it's better than stick

March 22, 2006, 08:01 PM	#10
wacki Senior Member Join Date: December 19, 2004 Location: Moving out of Indiana Posts: 426	For self defense nothing beats "cubic shot", not even 00 buck.

March 23, 2006, 08:19 AM	#11
johnbt Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 1999 Location: Richmond, Virginia USA Posts: 6,004	Do you really want a fast opening pattern for self defense? "12 GAUGE CUBIC SHOT THESE SHELLS CONTAIN PELLETS EXTRUDED AND CUT INTO SMALL UNIFORM CUBES, RESULTING IN A FAST OPENING LETHAL PATTERN, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME REDUCING THE POSSIBILITY OF RICOCHETS. THESE SHELLS ARE PARTICULARLY EFFECTIVE IN HEAVY COVER ON GAME TARGETS SUCH AS GROUSE, SWAMP RATS, ETC." - http://www.hi-vel.com/Catalog__17/Sp..._ammuniti.html

March 23, 2006, 12:20 PM	#13
johnbt Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 1999 Location: Richmond, Virginia USA Posts: 6,004	Why, so some of the load misses the target? John

March 23, 2006, 12:53 PM	#15
226 Member Join Date: May 7, 2005 Location: USA Posts: 99	Do your research and make your decision based on data; terminal ballistics, proven performance. Personally, I would stay away from exotic shotshells. Other than slugs, there is a reason buckshot is mentioned more often than any other SD / HD / CD/ TEOTWAWKI load. Proven performance, effective measured terminal performance. When you hear advice to pattern the load with "your" shotgun yourself, they are not just blowing smoke up your pant leg. Each shotgun's bore parameters vary slightly so you need to find which load your shotgun patterns best, after you decide on a gauge. Some reading. Shotgun Home Defense Ammunition #4 Buck 12 ga. birdshot for close range Shotgun home defense loads Buckshot: How Many Hits are Needed? Shotguns are 'too dangerous' for home defense...What?! ...