April 14, 2002, 08:07 PM | #1 |
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Walther P99 v HK USP?
I'm talking about the GERMAN weapons....NOT the S&W junk.
Which do you prefer and WHY? TIA
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I have several P99s. In 9mm. They have never malfunctioned EVER. I have several HK USPs, albeit none in 9mm. They have never malfunctioned EVER. But there is no evidence you can produce that indicates that the HK is "twice" as tough and more accurate as well. My favorite pistols are my P7s. They are also the most accurate. The P99 is second. It has the advantage of packing twice as much ammo is about the same size package. I just shoot my P7 better. I cannot shoot my HK USPs better, but I don't have a 9mm, just .357Sig, .40 and .45. The P99 is more accurate than any of my USPs. Regards, James
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I beg to differ George.
My P99 is just as accurate as the H&K Tactical I had, and has a better DA/SA trigger as well. As far as reliability, my P99 9mm, is working on 3000+ rounds without any problems at all. How is the H&K "twice as tough"? The steel is steel, the polymer is polymer, and the P99's Tenifer finish is one of the toughest finishes available. And I just don't like that plastic safety/decocker on the USP, it seems cheesy on a $700 pistol. As far as ergonomics, the H&K isn't even in the same class as the P99, maybe the new H&K P2000 will be as ergonomic, but the USP's are not very user-friendly, especially when compared to the Walther. The H&K definately has snob appeal, but thats about it. IMHO of course.
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The controls on the USP are where I expect them to be, and easy to reach. The decocker on the P99 is not easy to reach, so I find the Walther to be less ergonomic. And for the record, I do own a P99.
I do like the USP compact. The full size is a bit large for my hands. |
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I prefer my USPs to most anything else. Controls are where they should be w/o manipulating grip, accuracy is superb and reliability & durability are top notch.
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The USP is a good, solid gun. One thing I cannot understand however is why it is so expensive for a polymer gun. The USP has proven itself which is something the P99 is yet to do as it needs more time in the market.
The USP appears to be better built and stronger. The P99 is clearly however a more accurate pistol (shoot one and see) and it has a very fast trigger reset which is comparable to, if not faster than that of the Glock. You can't go wrong with either, it comes down to personal choice. For me, I prefer the USPc because I find it more concealable than the P99 and as I said before it has proven itself esp. reliability and durability. |
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I'm with George. If I were going to buy a plastic gun, it'd be an HK USP-C.
It has a manual safety that you can ignore if you insist on the P-99 like decocker instead. It's got it all. |
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http://www.streetpro.com/usp/torture.html
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We all have different opinions. Don't get pissy if someone disagrees with yours. And don't give me the line that those tests are only for the full size pistol. The designs are very simialr. Other than size, the only difference is the simplified recoil buffer system on the springs.
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I have yet to find an HK USP9, or USP9c, that is more accurate than my Walther P99. I have also seen HK USPs fail at the range. Hell, I been present for two different HK USP mainspring failures. In both of those cases the new owner failed to read the instructions because they had "fired a USP before and knew how they worked." The bright orange warning sticker was only read just before returning the guns for repair.
HK's cost more, but their customer service sucks.:barf:
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Tit for tat: Okay, the Sentinel is an HK publication. Here is Tetragon's torture test report on the P99:
Durability We made the P99 take tests that were harder that any real situation could ever be. During sustained firing tests, more than 250.000 rounds of the extremely powerful +P ammunition were fired by us under adverse conditions. There were rapid firing tests at temperatures of 45 'C and also at + 75 'C which demanded the most from the material The P99 passed all these tests with distinction. Drop test According to the test requirements of the German police academy, the P99 is to take the drop test. The cocked pistol is being dropped from levels between 1,3 and 2 meters, at different angles, onto surfaces of steel, concrete or plastic. The weapon must not fire. The P99 fulfills the highest safety requirements of a Single Action/Double Action weapon. Here's the link to their site: http://www.tetragon.ca/p99/pg2.html#police Regards, James
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I have to say, my USPs have been much more accurate than most guns I have fired at the range, including one P99 in 9mm. I believe that with most quality guns you'd find only individual variation in accuracy. That is to say that any given example of any given modle will beat any other. What we may be arguing is the experiences each of us have had with different specimens (ie. the USP I fired was extremely accurate, the P99 not so accurate, and vice versa). Shake
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HK USP over the p99.
p99 trigger sucks. I have a p99 that I'm having trouble selling.
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Own a P99 and a USP
The grip of the Tac is the right size, but it really needed a Hogue sleeve to be comfortable for me. The P99 is completely ergonomic, and feels great! I disagree with the posters who claim the USP is more comfortable. The USP grip is more positive, however.
The USP (Tac .45 fullsize) is definitely more accurate in my hands than the P99 for slow firing. I can put all shots in the black, nicely grouped at 50 feet with the Tac. They spread out quite a bit with the Walther. I attribute some of this to the chintzy sights on the P99 and the good sites on the USP. USP seems to have a softer recoil, but muzzle flip is higher (this is .45 vs 9mm, so dunno how informative this is - I have shot a USP in 9mm, and from what I can remember, the P99 feels "snappy" - more of a sharp kick.) Close range, there's not that much difference in group size, but the Tac still edges the Walther. The recoil spring assembly in the P99 strikes me as very cheap. This is one of the parts I would like to replace (other being the sights.) For quick drills in "defensive range", I would go with the Walther - this is probably a feature of the caliber, but it's quick and light to deploy, fits my hand like a glove, and points right on. I can shoot much more quickly (I think this is the advantage of not having the USP's recoil reduction double spring system.) Generally, I think the USP is more of a quality piece with classy, confidence-inspiring components, but the P99 is beautiful to my eye and hand, and a superior choice for carry. Matt |
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I prefer the P99 because I don't own a USP. I do like my P9s though.
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Both are superb fighting pistols. Durable, reliable and accurate.
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In my experience, my P99 is just as accurate as my USP Tactical. A better comparison for the $$$ would be a USP Tactical vs. the Walther P88 Comp.
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Okay, my rebuttal page is up. Now remember, this is in direct response to George Hill's statement:
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See my page and decide for yourself. Take the reviews for what they are worth. You may have a lemon P99, and there may be spectacular shooting USP Compacts out there. I just haven't seen them yet. Walther P99 vs USP/USP-C Regards, James
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Yes I have a LEMON P99-9mm-German Walther..I love these threads. It gives me a chance to vent my anger at something not someone..My P99 shoots pretty straight, when it shoots, but it's not in the same class as my HK Tactical.In my humble opinion, based on my experience with the Walther,The Walther should not be classified as a pistol for any purpose other than PLINKING .It malfunctions (fails to fire,fails to release the firing pin with the trigger in the rear most position) etc etc etc..The N.J. STATE POLICE sent them back, and cancelled their order because they did not work !! Too many failures to fire!! I keep mine just so I can complain when the occasion arises..Try the other brands, then decide..To me, them that say the P99 German or otherwise,are great ,are used to using more inferior products than the P.O.CRA* I have..:barf:
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Wishbone:
Excuse me but the Tactical costs about 40% more than the P99, not a fair comparison. And, it's not 9mm. And you are quite incorrect regarding the NJ State Police and their SW99 (NOT P99) problems. Regardless of what the anti-P99 crowd will lead people to believe, the Smith & Wesson SW99 is NOT the same gun as the Walther P99. Regards, James
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Field strip them both.
Then decide. Examine the feed ramp and the recoil assembly especially closely. Have a look at the factory sights.
P99 wins: 1) Ergos - no question. 2) Swappable backstraps - maybe we can compare again when the HK P2000 comes out 3) Adjustable rear sight 4) Quality metal mags (9mm USP is plastic blended to metal) 5) Cool aesthetics and nice finish. 6) Thinner and more streamlined 7) FTE/FTF count: 6 in the first 100 rds - none since 8) 007 fantasies optional... HK wins: 1) Quality iron sights 2) Steel recoil assembly (not a plastic stick like the P99) 3) Smooth and well designed feed ramp. The P99 is basically a flat face leading to the mouth of the barrel. The HK is rounded and blended into the countour of the barrel mouth. 4) External safety (plus or minus - I like it) 5) Rugged, severe aesthetic - no foolin' around 6) Slide release is easier to hit 7) Mag release is easier to hit 8) De-cocker is much easier to use (but also sticks out more - and when do you really need to use this in a hurry, anyway?) 9) FTE/FTF count - you're kidding, right? 0 of course 10) Lara Croft fantasies optional? Anyway, a field strip should quickly show you where your extra $$$ was spent. Accuracy shouldn't be an issue either way. If I were buying 9mm again, I would again get the Walther. Sweet little piece. Any other caliber, or another 9mm, definitely HK. |
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