Brit attacks US guns

JTWard · October 28, 2002, 07:30 AM

Tourists Say Sale of Toy Guns at Disney a "contradiction"
The Associated Press
Published: Oct 28, 2002

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) - Some visitors to Disney World's top-drawing park, the Magic Kingdom, have raised complaints in recent days about the use of shooting galleries at the park, along with the sale of toy muskets and pistols as souvenirs.

The post-Sept. 11 increases of security and concerns, heightened in recent days by the sniper shootings in the Washington, D.C. area, have left some Disney patrons taken aback by the availability of toy weaponry and calling for its removal.

"It just seems a complete contradiction to be selling toy guns at a time when security searches are trying to detect concealed weapons and explosives that may be about to be used by terrorists," said Les Wright, a tourist from Oldham, England.

Disney World spokeswoman Jacquee Polak said the theme park is simply relying on parents to make proper judgments.

"Believing that parents know their children best, we have always respected our guests' ability to choose what is an appropriate toy for their children," Polak said.

In California, Disneyland removed most of its toy guns from sale racks shortly after the April 1999 shootings at Columbine High School, in which 12 students and one teacher were killed by two gunmen who then committed suicide. Officials at Disneyland even removed video games which were deemed too violent.

Wright, a 47-year-old public housing manager, said he would like to see Disney World officials follow the lead of their California counterparts.

"Disney prides itself in supporting traditional family values. It should set a better example," Wright said.

Not all tourists are offended by the use of toy guns and other make-believe weapons at Disney World.

Marilyn McCormick's two sons, ages 4 and 8, loaded a cannon from a faux powder keg and fired rifles to defend their fort at Tom Sawyer's Island, which she said represented a chapter in American history

"We can't deny our past," McCormick said.

Blackhawk · October 28, 2002, 07:56 AM

Wright, a very low level Brit welfare bureaucrat, comes to Florida and tells Disney how to eat the cabbage. Imagine, coming all those miles to meddle...!

**Tamara** · October 28, 2002, 07:57 AM

Anybody who confuses the toy muskets for sale at Disney World with a real gun needs psychiatric attention.

If it's just the symbology of gun-shaped toys that's getting these people's BVD's in a bowline, what are they proposing to do to children who make gun shapes with their fingers?

iso1 · October 28, 2002, 08:02 AM

Tamara

They'll probably call out the armed police squads and shoot the kids on sight.....

Betty · October 28, 2002, 08:10 AM

Les Wright, please go back to England and stay there.

Sodbuster · October 28, 2002, 08:31 AM

"We can't deny our past."

David Scott · October 28, 2002, 08:45 AM

Coming soon from Disney:

HOMELAND SECURITY MICKEY!

This feature length film stars Mickey Mouse (Bruce Willis) as Homeland Security Mickey, an Air Marshal who springs into action when terrorist Gamal Da Camel (Gary Oldman) takes flight attendant Minnie Mouse (Winona Ryder) hostage during a hijack attempt. With the help of Vietnam veteran pilot Gyro Gearloose (Willem Dafoe), Mickey manuevers the terrorists into strike position for Navy DUCKS (Discrete Urban Combat Killer Squad) Huey, Dewey and Louie (Brad Pitt, Ethan Hawke, and in his feature debut, Justin Timberlake). Cameo appearances by Donald Trump as airline CEO Scrooge McDuck and George W. Bush as President Goofy.

Coming soon to a theater near you!

Hkmp5sd · October 28, 2002, 08:47 AM

Hey, that shooting gallery at Disney is one of my favorite things there. Don't mess with it.

Lavan · October 28, 2002, 09:22 AM

Send em to England for the next "Guns For Britain" campaign

Dave R · October 28, 2002, 09:27 AM

The place is called "Frontier Land". Frontier land with no shooting gallery and no muskets may be politically correct, but would not be historically accurate.

treeprof · October 28, 2002, 10:30 AM

Frontier Land w/no guns? Sounds like "Bellesiles Land".

MessedUpMike · October 28, 2002, 11:06 AM

Frontier land with no guns? Sounds like Eastern France in the late 1930s.

and shortly following the rest of France.

Oh did I go there?
Mike

SIGarmed · October 28, 2002, 11:18 AM

The bad part is that they print the "feelings" of some socialist tourist as if we want to hear it and that it even matters. It is totally insane. When you really think about it we are in a really sad state when to be mainstream a paper takes this opinion seriously.

Schuey2002 · October 28, 2002, 11:26 AM

The British are idiots......these are the same people that never learned how to master a TOOTHBRUSH!!!!!!!!

Fred Hansen · October 28, 2002, 11:37 AM

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Send em to England for the next "Guns For Britain" campaign

KEWL! I have some loser cousins that sniveled for us to send them guns during WWII. All of those guns wound up confiscated and destroyed. If they ever ask for help again, that is exactly what I will send them.

There is a reason why we threw those people out of this country.

aikidoka - mks · October 28, 2002, 11:43 AM

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"Disney prides itself in supporting traditional family values. It should set a better example," Wright said.

Hmm - well in America - I would think Disney should then be offering firearms safety lessons for kids and taking them out hunting :-)

Mark

yorec · October 28, 2002, 11:58 AM

If your own system is failing, try to point out problems with other people's systems. It's called redirection...

Doesn't neccessarily work when the other people don't think what you point out is a problem, but that isn't what he cares about - he just want his own people to forget about the crummy things going on in Britain reference gun control.

Our problem is that some of our people will actually listen to this shmuck and think he has a point. It just plain ain't any of his business, never mind he's full of dung....

King · October 28, 2002, 12:00 PM

Sounds like a slow day in British journalism to me.....The guy need to go elsewhere for his next vacation....perhaps Iraq, Pakistan or Afganistan...pick one.......

dud614 · October 28, 2002, 12:41 PM

What do expect from people who, in the 21st. century, still bow to a queen or a king? There were good reasons we dissolved our political connections to them. Next go-round, let the Germans have them.

DaleA · October 28, 2002, 12:55 PM

David Scott:
I'm pretty sure LOTS of screen plays started with less. You might need to copyright some of that.

anonymouse1940 · October 28, 2002, 01:28 PM

Well, I still grin everytime I look at one of the new quarters for Massachusetts with the Minuteman carrying a rifle on it. I still have yet to find the trigger lock on that musket. How many Boston school children have been kicked out of school for carrying an image of a firearm in their pockets?

Wait, this was about a foreign reporter drawing questions about reality while visiting Disneyland. Sorry for the off-topic conversation. I wonder if the reporter bought a Mickey Mouse hat and had the "real Mickey" autograph the ears on it.

hutch24 · October 28, 2002, 02:33 PM

The english were just having flashbacks of when we kicked their butts outta here with those muskets.

jason10mm · October 28, 2002, 03:29 PM

I think they already took down the air-pop rifles from the fort. Remember those? They were mounted on little pintle mounts and had a little air compressor to make a pop when you squeezed teh trigger. I think you could take aim at the tourists across the water, but I can't remember. That used to be the best part of Frontier Land. Do they still have the boat guide on the River ride shoot the gator? Have the Pirates of the Carribean given up their pistols and rum for PC welfare handouts and green cards? Later.

agricola · October 28, 2002, 03:42 PM

why is it that half-brained, no-nothing comments and articles from the UK are (rightly) panned, wheras stuff from the Cato Insititute which is equally, if not even more incorrect is lauded to the skies on TFL?

answers on a postcard please.....

Skunkabilly · October 28, 2002, 03:45 PM

Quote:

This feature length film stars Mickey Mouse (Bruce Willis) as Homeland Security Mickey, an Air Marshal who springs into action when terrorist Gamal Da Camel (Gary Oldman) takes flight attendant Minnie Mouse (Winona Ryder) hostage during a hijack attempt. With the help of Vietnam veteran pilot Gyro Gearloose (Willem Dafoe), Mickey manuevers the terrorists into strike position for Navy DUCKS (Discrete Urban Combat Killer Squad) Huey, Dewey and Louie (Brad Pitt, Ethan Hawke, and in his feature debut, Justin Timberlake). Cameo appearances by Donald Trump as airline CEO Scrooge McDuck and George W. Bush as President Goofy.

Sweet!! I'd watch it....How about Abu as Sarah Brady? Tee hee!

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The British are idiots......these are the same people that never learned how to master a TOOTHBRUSH!!!!!!!!

To give them credit, the toothbrush WAS invented there. Anywhere else and it would have been a TEETHbrush

(oh wait, that's supposed to be a banjo player inventd the toothrbrush...)

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What do expect from people who, in the 21st. century, still bow to a queen or a king? There were good reasons we dissolved our political connections to them. Next go-round, let the Germans have them.

Would that put Heckler & Koch back in German ownership?

October 28, 2002, 07:30 AM	#1
JTWard Member Join Date: October 16, 2002 Location: Brandon, Florida Posts: 53	Brit attacks US guns Tourists Say Sale of Toy Guns at Disney a "contradiction" The Associated Press Published: Oct 28, 2002 ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) - Some visitors to Disney World's top-drawing park, the Magic Kingdom, have raised complaints in recent days about the use of shooting galleries at the park, along with the sale of toy muskets and pistols as souvenirs. The post-Sept. 11 increases of security and concerns, heightened in recent days by the sniper shootings in the Washington, D.C. area, have left some Disney patrons taken aback by the availability of toy weaponry and calling for its removal. "It just seems a complete contradiction to be selling toy guns at a time when security searches are trying to detect concealed weapons and explosives that may be about to be used by terrorists," said Les Wright, a tourist from Oldham, England. Disney World spokeswoman Jacquee Polak said the theme park is simply relying on parents to make proper judgments. "Believing that parents know their children best, we have always respected our guests' ability to choose what is an appropriate toy for their children," Polak said. In California, Disneyland removed most of its toy guns from sale racks shortly after the April 1999 shootings at Columbine High School, in which 12 students and one teacher were killed by two gunmen who then committed suicide. Officials at Disneyland even removed video games which were deemed too violent. Wright, a 47-year-old public housing manager, said he would like to see Disney World officials follow the lead of their California counterparts. "Disney prides itself in supporting traditional family values. It should set a better example," Wright said. Not all tourists are offended by the use of toy guns and other make-believe weapons at Disney World. Marilyn McCormick's two sons, ages 4 and 8, loaded a cannon from a faux powder keg and fired rifles to defend their fort at Tom Sawyer's Island, which she said represented a chapter in American history "We can't deny our past," McCormick said. __________________ John T. Ward Brandon, Florida

October 28, 2002, 07:57 AM	#3
Tamara Staff Join Date: March 11, 2000 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 15,527	Anybody who confuses the toy muskets for sale at Disney World with a real gun needs psychiatric attention. If it's just the symbology of gun-shaped toys that's getting these people's BVD's in a bowline, what are they proposing to do to children who make gun shapes with their fingers? __________________ MOLON LABE! 2% Unobtainium, 98% Hypetanium. The Arms Room: An Online Museum. Last edited by Tamara; October 28, 2002 at 08:21 AM.

October 28, 2002, 08:31 AM	#6
Sodbuster Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 1999 Location: Gallatin Co MT Posts: 1,129	"We can't deny our past." __________________ Remember, many times what we view as a curse in the present turns out to be a blessing in the future. Don't worry about it a lot. Things have a way of working out. Trust me on this one. -- Uncle Bill Martino

October 28, 2002, 08:45 AM	#7
David Scott Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2000 Posts: 2,458	Coming soon from Disney: HOMELAND SECURITY MICKEY! This feature length film stars Mickey Mouse (Bruce Willis) as Homeland Security Mickey, an Air Marshal who springs into action when terrorist Gamal Da Camel (Gary Oldman) takes flight attendant Minnie Mouse (Winona Ryder) hostage during a hijack attempt. With the help of Vietnam veteran pilot Gyro Gearloose (Willem Dafoe), Mickey manuevers the terrorists into strike position for Navy DUCKS (Discrete Urban Combat Killer Squad) Huey, Dewey and Louie (Brad Pitt, Ethan Hawke, and in his feature debut, Justin Timberlake). Cameo appearances by Donald Trump as airline CEO Scrooge McDuck and George W. Bush as President Goofy. Coming soon to a theater near you! __________________ "As I looked at my two young sons, each with his gun, and considered how much the safety of the party depended on these little fellows, I felt grateful to you, dear husband, for having acquainted them in childhood with the use of firearms." -- Elisabeth Robinson, in The Swiss Family Robinson by Johann Wyss

October 28, 2002, 08:47 AM	#8
Hkmp5sd Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2001 Location: Winter Haven, Florida Posts: 4,214	Hey, that shooting gallery at Disney is one of my favorite things there. Don't mess with it. __________________ NRA Certified Instructor: Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun, Home Safety, Personal Protection, Range Safety Officer NRA Life Member

October 28, 2002, 07:56 AM	#2
Blackhawk Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 2001 Posts: 5,053	Wright, a very low level Brit welfare bureaucrat, comes to Florida and tells Disney how to eat the cabbage. Imagine, coming all those miles to meddle...!

October 28, 2002, 08:02 AM	#4
iso1 Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2000 Location: Reno, Nevada Posts: 581	Tamara They'll probably call out the armed police squads and shoot the kids on sight.....

October 28, 2002, 08:10 AM	#5
Betty Senior Member Join Date: March 22, 2000 Location: southern U.S. Posts: 1,774	Les Wright, please go back to England and stay there.

October 28, 2002, 09:22 AM	#9
Lavan Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 1999 Location: Dianneaforney Posts: 1,978	Confiscate the toy muskets. Send em to England for the next "Guns For Britain" campaign

October 28, 2002, 09:27 AM	#10
Dave R Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2000 Location: Idaho Posts: 5,405	The place is called "Frontier Land". Frontier land with no shooting gallery and no muskets may be politically correct, but would not be historically accurate. __________________ I am Pro-Rights (on gun issues).

October 28, 2002, 10:30 AM	#11
treeprof Senior Member Join Date: June 6, 2000 Posts: 574	Frontier Land w/no guns? Sounds like "Bellesiles Land".

October 28, 2002, 11:06 AM	#12
MessedUpMike Senior Member Join Date: July 31, 2002 Location: Metro DC Posts: 251	Frontier land with no guns? Sounds like Eastern France in the late 1930s. and shortly following the rest of France. Oh did I go there? Mike __________________ "Crush your enemies, See them driven before you, Hear the lamentations of their women" Ghengis Khan on the greatest joys in life The second amendment protects all of the others.

October 28, 2002, 11:18 AM	#13
SIGarmed Senior Member Join Date: July 13, 2001 Posts: 456	The bad part is that they print the "feelings" of some socialist tourist as if we want to hear it and that it even matters. It is totally insane. When you really think about it we are in a really sad state when to be mainstream a paper takes this opinion seriously. __________________ california gun owner

October 28, 2002, 11:26 AM	#14
Schuey2002 Senior Member Join Date: September 21, 2002 Posts: 856	The British are idiots......these are the same people that never learned how to master a TOOTHBRUSH!!!!!!!!

October 28, 2002, 11:58 AM	#17
yorec Senior Member Join Date: February 2, 2000 Location: Wyoming Posts: 2,341	If your own system is failing, try to point out problems with other people's systems. It's called redirection... Doesn't neccessarily work when the other people don't think what you point out is a problem, but that isn't what he cares about - he just want his own people to forget about the crummy things going on in Britain reference gun control. Our problem is that some of our people will actually listen to this shmuck and think he has a point. It just plain ain't any of his business, never mind he's full of dung.... __________________ What part of "... shall not be infringed..." don't you understand? My site - stop by n see what I'm all about... Yes, there is gun stuff.

October 28, 2002, 12:00 PM	#18
King Senior Member Join Date: May 11, 2002 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 297	Sounds like a slow day in British journalism to me.....The guy need to go elsewhere for his next vacation....perhaps Iraq, Pakistan or Afganistan...pick one....... __________________ "King"

October 28, 2002, 12:41 PM	#19
dud614 Junior Member Join Date: March 24, 2002 Location: Fernandina Beach, Florida Posts: 4	Brits What do expect from people who, in the 21st. century, still bow to a queen or a king? There were good reasons we dissolved our political connections to them. Next go-round, let the Germans have them.

October 28, 2002, 12:55 PM	#20
DaleA Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2002 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 151	David Scott: I'm pretty sure LOTS of screen plays started with less. You might need to copyright some of that.

October 28, 2002, 01:28 PM	#21
anonymouse1940 Member Join Date: October 18, 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 40	Well, I still grin everytime I look at one of the new quarters for Massachusetts with the Minuteman carrying a rifle on it. I still have yet to find the trigger lock on that musket. How many Boston school children have been kicked out of school for carrying an image of a firearm in their pockets? Wait, this was about a foreign reporter drawing questions about reality while visiting Disneyland. Sorry for the off-topic conversation. I wonder if the reporter bought a Mickey Mouse hat and had the "real Mickey" autograph the ears on it. __________________ Subjugate: force to submit; conquer.

October 28, 2002, 02:33 PM	#22
hutch24 Member Join Date: October 10, 2002 Location: Kenai, Alaska Posts: 47	The english were just having flashbacks of when we kicked their butts outta here with those muskets.

October 28, 2002, 03:29 PM	#23
jason10mm Senior Member Join Date: April 29, 2001 Location: San Antonio, Tx Posts: 231	I think they already took down the air-pop rifles from the fort. Remember those? They were mounted on little pintle mounts and had a little air compressor to make a pop when you squeezed teh trigger. I think you could take aim at the tourists across the water, but I can't remember. That used to be the best part of Frontier Land. Do they still have the boat guide on the River ride shoot the gator? Have the Pirates of the Carribean given up their pistols and rum for PC welfare handouts and green cards? Later.

October 28, 2002, 03:42 PM	#24
agricola Senior Member Join Date: April 1, 2002 Location: cymru Posts: 941	why is it that half-brained, no-nothing comments and articles from the UK are (rightly) panned, wheras stuff from the Cato Insititute which is equally, if not even more incorrect is lauded to the skies on TFL? answers on a postcard please..... __________________ pete wylie: " I've never had a fight in me life. But after 40 years of living as a half-decent human being I gained a criminal record for doing my Joe Pesci thing. But it was Joe Pesci played by Michael Crawford."