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Old September 9, 2004, 08:27 AM   #1
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Why The Republicans Have Earned My Vote On Gun Rights

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1. UN Small Arms Restrictions blocked by US

2. Attorney General declares Second Amendment is individual right - reverses 35 years of previous Justice Department doctrine on the matter.

3. Attorney General refuses to allow legitimate purchase of NICS data to be used for fishing expedition - Ashcroft stops grabbers from sifting through NICS data of legitimate purchasers to look for "terrorists".

4. Ashcroft changes NICS data holding from 90 days to 1 day - NICS data on legitimate purchases will now be purged from the system in a single day as the law intended rather than being held onto for 90 days per Clinton policy

5. Bush supports and will sign lawsuit preemption bill

6. Bush ends taxpayer funding of useless HUD gun buybacks

7. Signs bill arming airline pilots. Signs bill closing loophole that prevented cargo pilots from being armed

8. Signed the appropriations bill containing the Tiahrt Amendment that protects gunowner privacy by making item #4 the law of the land.

9. Gets chance to have several things he claims to support (lawsuit preemption, gunshow background checks, semi-auto ban) on a single bill. Sends letter to Congress asking them to consider only lawsuit preemption.

10. Partially repeals Clinton ban on import of some semi-auto firearm parts instituted in Summer of 2000 to allow import of parts for repair purposes. Doesn't repeal any Executive Orders relating to guns instituted by previous Presidents.

And here is the big one:

The Republican party has now gone to bat for us, not once, but THREE times (March, July, and September) to stop any renewal of the ban. This is a ban that polls show having the support of greater than 60% of the public. Admittedly, the public wouldn't support it if they were better informed but that is beside the point... the Republicans bucked the majority to support us.

Anybody catch the horrendous grilling the Republicans took last night? See the horrendous lies being told about the ban and the blame being piled on the Republicans? It would be hard to miss since it was on the nightly news for ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN as well as special coverage on Nightline and World News Tonight. That doesn't even count pro-ban editorials in the NYT, USA Today, Washington Post, Atlanta Journal Constitution, Chicago Sun-Herald and San Fransisco Gate as well as dozens of smaller papers.

Not only did the Republicans do this for us, they did it DURING AN ELECTION YEAR when every single House seat, 1/3 of Senate seats and the White House are up for grabs.

Forget for a moment that most of the pro-RKBA candidates running for office are Republican. Forget that two Republican Senate candidates have declared support for repealing the 1934 NFA during their campaigns. Forget that if a Republican candidate replaces all the GOA F rated Senators retiring this year, we will get 5 Senators who are rated B or better by the GOA.

The Republicans could have saved themselves a major beating in the press by simply selling us down the river. They didn't. They stood by us even when the polls showed it wasn't the popular thing to do and that does not happen too damn often in politics. The Republicans have earned my vote on gun rights
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Old September 9, 2004, 08:33 AM   #2
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I have to hand it to Frist and, especially, DeLay. Their recent public statements show some pretty serious chutzpah, a quantity that has been sadly lacking from the folks ostensibly on our side these days.
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Old September 9, 2004, 08:40 AM   #3
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Speaking of which, I contacted both offices today to thank them for their support. If anyone else wishes to do the same, here is the info:

The Honorable Tom DeLay:

http://www.majorityleader.gov/CONTACT.ASP?a=form

Majority Leader Office
H-107 The Capitol
Washington, DC 20515
p. (202)225-4000
f. (202)225-5117

Congressional Office
242 Cannon HOB
Washington, DC 20515
p. (202)225-5951
f. (202)225-5241

District Office
10701 Corporate Drive ,Suite 118
Stafford, TX 77477
p. (281)240-3700
f. (281)240-2959



The Honorable Bill Frist, MD:

http://frist.senate.gov/index.cfm?Fu...st.ContactForm

Washington, D.C.:
Office of Senator Bill Frist
461 Dirksen Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
202-224-3344
202-228-1264 (fax)

Nashville:
Office of Senator Bill Frist
28 White Bridge Road
Suite 211
Nashville, TN 37205
615-352-9411
615-352-9985 (fax)
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Old October 18, 2004, 02:55 PM   #4
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Just in case anyone forgot what happened last month []
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Old October 20, 2004, 08:17 PM   #5
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Thanks for putting all of that together!!!!!

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Old October 20, 2004, 08:39 PM   #6
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No, no, no! Don't you know there's not a dimes worth of difference between Republicans and Democrats?


Knock it off with this fact business, fella!





Mind you, there's not as much of a difference as I'd like, but there's enough to make the vote clear.
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Old October 21, 2004, 12:51 PM   #7
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Oh thank you Arnold for signing the .50 ban! Thank you Republicans!

Thank you Bush for again professing your love for the "Assault Weapons Ban" at the last "debate".

Oh thank you Republican Administration for disarming pilots 2 months before 9/11 and then at first opposing re-arming them. And then making the requirements so ridiculous that almost no pilots are armed.

Thank you G.H.W.B. for the 1989 import ban.

Thank you Reagan for the 86' MG ban!
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Old October 21, 2004, 10:47 PM   #8
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How you vote should depend on where you live....

When it comes to the Presidential Election gun owners in swing states should vote for President Bush. We cannot afford to let John Kerry win. A second Bush term means more of the same. Given the Sunset of the Assault Weapons Ban and the end to crooked and crippling federally supported lawsuits against the gun industry, more of the same sounds pretty good to me.

The fact is most gun owners would be happy that we've merely held the line at the federal level for a solid four years. I know gun owners would have been quite grateful to have even that under the dark days of Clinton. Under Bush we've actually made some significant progress and if we play our cards right and work hard to elect pro-gun Representatives and (particularly) Senators we could stand to gain even more.

I ask gun owners who live in swing states cruelly curtail our progress by not voting for Bush. Building a pro-gun executive branch and legislature (which can lead to an all important pro-gun Supreme Court) takes years. If we get derailed now the work of the last four years (the 2000 and 2002 elections will be wiped out).

What's more, John Kerry will get to pick at least one Supreme Court nominee if he wins. Some of those Justices are just too old to hold out any longer for a Republican President and a sufficiently large majority in the Senate. We all know that given the media bias they'll be up against and who the media blamed for "shutting down the government" last time around the Republicans will lack the stomach to fillibuster nominees for a full four years only on the basis of ideology just as the Democrats have done.

Yes you always reserve the right to vote as you wish but there is such a thing as solidarity.

Gun owners in safe states (like North Dakota) should feel entirely free to vote for whoever they want for President (save Kerry) and their conscience shouldn't bother them.

Obviously, if you have the opportunity to vote in a Senate or House race you should vote for the pro-gun nominee and eschew third parties. The President can't do very much to pass lawsuit protection, an end to the DC Gun Ban or anything of the sort so long as the Democrats can fillibuster in the Senate. Neither can he appoint justices and judges that would make the effort we put into getting him elected especially worthwhile.
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Old October 22, 2004, 02:34 PM   #9
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Gun owners in safe states (like North Dakota)
We don't have open carry. We don't have CCW in city parks.

Our Representative (Earl Pomeroy) and both of our Senators (Dorgan and Conrad) voted for the "Assault Weapons Ban".




Thank you for extending the ban on Norinco products while transfering sensitive technology to the People's Republic of China Mr. Bush. Now nothing on the shelves in Walmart will be Chinese.....Hahahahahahahaah....sigh....
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Old October 23, 2004, 12:08 PM   #10
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The party that really supports 100% gun rights are the Libertarians...

"Solutions: We oppose all laws at any level of government restricting, regulating or requiring the ownership, manufacture, transfer or sale of firearms or ammunition. We oppose all laws requiring registration of firearms or ammunition. We support repeal of all gun control laws. We demand the immediate abolition of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms."
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Old October 23, 2004, 01:22 PM   #11
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The party that really supports 100% gun rights are the Libertarians...
Uh huh. It is easy being perfect when there is a zero percent chance you will ever have to do anything about it. The Libertarian party might as well be a 5th column of anti-gun activists. They have the potential to do more damage to gun rights than the Democrats ever could by themselves.
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Old October 23, 2004, 11:53 PM   #12
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Forget that two Republican Senate candidates have declared support for repealing the 1934 NFA during their campaigns.
Who are those people? Never heard of them.
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Old October 24, 2004, 12:17 AM   #13
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We don't have open carry. We don't have CCW in city parks.

Our Representative (Earl Pomeroy) and both of our Senators (Dorgan and Conrad) voted for the "Assault Weapons Ban".
We have Feinstein who wrote the AWB and CCW is a chimera in our most dangerous counties.
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Old October 24, 2004, 04:09 PM   #14
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Yea, we all know about Caleeforneeah. No news flash there dude.
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Old October 27, 2004, 05:12 PM   #15
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Who are those people? Never heard of them.
Senate candidate Alan Keyes (R-IL) and Senate candidate Pete Coors (R-CO).

Keyes is going to lose in a spectacular implosion that will probably doom his political career forever; but Coors is actually running in a statistical tie with his opponent (who supports a semi-auto ban based on silly cosmetic features and has signed the MMM pledge card).

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Thank you Bush for again professing your love for the "Assault Weapons Ban" at the last "debate".
The list of what the Republicans have done for us on the national level speaks for itself. What John Kerry would have done in many of those same situations is already well known to us. If you have some viable suggestion on how to catapult the LP from 0.36% of the popular vote in 2000 to a contender in 2004, I would love to hear it. Until then, you have a pretty clear cut choice between Bush and Kerry on this issue.
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Old October 27, 2004, 08:43 PM   #16
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If you have some viable suggestion on how to catapult the LP from 0.36% of the popular vote in 2000 to a contender in 2004, I would love to hear it.
Yea, it's called don't vote for Bush or Kerry like a mindless drone because they are a couple of douches. If you like the Green Party or the Socialists or the Constitution party or whoever then by all means vote for that candidate. I just can't comprehend how people can vote for the lesser of two evils. I guess some of us have pride and need to be able to look themselves in the mirror and some don't.
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Old October 27, 2004, 09:12 PM   #17
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By "safe" I meant "Red" or "Bush" states...

I'm sorry to hear that your senators stink and that you lack open carry. I live in Florida and all we have is Concealed Carry and that with a number of restrictions. Still, fifteen years ago we didn't have must issue permits so we have been making progress.

But, as I said, your state is safe for Bush and since so your Senators are lacking voting for a Libertarian in that case (since there is no risk of helping Kerry into the White House) is actually laudable rather than merely acceptable.
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Old October 27, 2004, 09:21 PM   #18
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Well, I imagine the old guard of the Libertarian Party is out of date, out of touch and old hat by now. But. Dr. John Hospers, the Party's first Presidential candidate (1972), thinks this particular election is too important for 'conscience' voting.

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Old October 28, 2004, 05:17 AM   #19
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Senate candidate Alan Keyes (R-IL) and Senate candidate Pete Coors (R-CO).
Keyes has reversed on that issue, actually.

Any link to Coors?
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Old October 28, 2004, 05:22 AM   #20
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No, no, no! Don't you know there's not a dimes worth of difference between Republicans and Democrats?
Facts, here:

Republicans gave us RICO. Republicans suport the War on Drugs, the Campaign Finance Reform Act, and increased FCC penalties on the likes of Stern. They also gave us the FOPA, import ban, and voted for the Brady Bill. And then there's the Patriot Act

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Old October 28, 2004, 10:44 AM   #21
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Yea, it's called don't vote for Bush or Kerry like a mindless drone because they are a couple of douches. If you like the Green Party or the Socialists or the Constitution party or whoever then by all means vote for that candidate.
So that is your magic strategy to go from 0.36% to winning this election? Let me suggest that your strategy is unviable at best. I know it is a popular belief amongst some that if everyone who held Libertarian beliefs voted that way, the LP candidate would win; but unfortunately there is about 30 years of electoral history suggesting something different.

I voted for candidate I like best out of all the candidates (third-party included). It just so happens that the candidate I like best and the candidate that is the most pragmatic way to preserve my gun rights coincided this election. I'd also point out that gun rights are not the only area where President Bush is laying the groundwork to reduce the welfare state.

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I take my pride from feeling I have accomplished something rather than looking in the mirror, so that probably explains the difference. Principles-wise, I guess I believe that it is more principled to advance towards my goals partially rather than refuse any compromise and be driven back further.
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I am not voting for the lesser of two evils, but for a very good president, George W. Bush.

As I read various threads regarding politics, it is obvious to me that the Libertarian Party with the views expressed will never be a viable party nationally. There is zero chanch of one ever being elected president. It is a party in which many are basically anarchist, who think of a nation that never was. They find fault with everyone on every issue, and make the claim that they are for liberty.
However, it is much like the Dems who want liberty as they see it, and PC. The LP would force its view of liberty with its porn, and bottom of the barrel moral views on the rest of us.

However, it is not going to happen. If they have any sense they will do the best for the nation, and that is GWB in this election.

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[quote]The LP would force its view of liberty with its porn...[/quote[]

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Don't you realize that there is a lot of speech which is not protected? Porn is not necessarily protected speech with unlimited right of exposure.

The religious values of a nation are reflected in its laws and attitudes. That also seems to escape many Libertarians.

Your post confirms what I have posted.

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1. Jerrym, so, what about not establishing a religion? What about all the Pagans, Wiccans, Muslims, Satanists and worshippers of Barney the Purple Dinosaur holding citizenship in America?

2. I believe SCOTUS ruled slightly differently, but I might be wrong.
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