Have you ever carried where you shouldn't?

AttackTurtle · January 26, 2005, 08:27 PM

Ill be getting my ccw permit soon and in FL, there are many places I wont be able to carry. Some are obvious like schools and police stations. Others are more cryptic or inconvenient. I think liquor stores are included in the inconveniant. I personally understand why you woundnt carry at a bar but liquor stores are what I consider one of the more dangerous places I go. How many people here have carried where they shouldnt and what is your reasoning?

Dwight55 · January 26, 2005, 10:01 PM

I walked into my barber shop (after they posted, . . . and I didn't see it) and this is my only experience with your question.

In Ohio, . . . it is a serious offence to do this, . . . therefore, I just steer clear of those places. I can keep my CCW license without going in their establishments, . . . but if caught in one of them, . . . I might lose my CCW. It is just not worth it to me.

Yes, . . . I have a new barber.

May God bless,
Dwight

AttackTurtle · January 26, 2005, 10:54 PM

Has anybody carried in a national forest when your not supposed to?

Marko Kloos · January 27, 2005, 05:33 AM

From experience, I can tell you that the "no CCW in places that serve liquor" offense is probably the most common misdemeanor among TN CCW holders.

moonstone · January 27, 2005, 09:42 AM

"From experience, I can tell you that the "no CCW in places that serve liquor" offense is probably the most common misdemeanor among TN CCW holders."

I'm also in east TN, what are the consequences of this?

woodland · January 27, 2005, 01:17 PM

Erich · January 27, 2005, 01:43 PM

U.S. Const., Amend. V: "No person shall . . . be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself . . . ."

Perhaps folks might reflect on the wisdom of this language before they post on threads such as this one.

FirstFreedom · January 27, 2005, 01:46 PM

Well, in my state, if you carry in a private property place that is posted, such as a bank, restaurant, whathaveyou, then ONLY thing they can do is ask you to leave (ceast and desist trespassing), and that gives you an opportunity to in fact leave, before one's liability for trespassing kicks in. So I regularly do that, and see no reason to do otherwise. But of course, one would be wise to remain perfectly concealed if following such a course of action.

OTOH, places *specifically* prohibited by the CCW law, like government buildings, public sporting events, bars and the bar areas of restaurants, schools, etc.....no, I do NOT carry there...too much to risk. I just avoid them if I can. Unfortunately, I cannot avoid them all, since the courthouse is one place I'm required to go regularly in my job. So I am disarmed by the (unconstitutional) law several times a week.

As for the post office, yes I have carried in there once when I was literally going to be inside just 2 seconds or so, just to drop off letters into the slot, then immediately leave. But I shouldn't have done this even, won't do it again, and I think that one should definitely avoid this practice...my guess is the federalis would fry you pretty badly.

cyf7tkwl · January 27, 2005, 06:18 PM

No.

Bullrock · January 27, 2005, 06:55 PM

Not that I'm aware of

mmike87 · January 27, 2005, 11:13 PM

I thought you COULD carry in a National Forest, just not a National Park. There IS a significant difference between the two.

Erich · January 28, 2005, 08:32 AM

That's my understanding as well, subject to local laws, of course (for instance, IIRC, FL does not allow CCW in natl. forests by state statute unless certain conditions are met).

wild_billz · January 28, 2005, 09:10 AM

In Florida you can carry in a liquor store, not in a bar, chack the state Dept of State website, yu can carry in a restuarant, but not in the bar section.

glennv · January 28, 2005, 03:16 PM

Not illegal but I stopped to get directions from these two security guards outside some building. As I pulled away I realized it was an abortion clinic. That's all I'd need is to have them see me printing.

Nimitz87 · January 28, 2005, 10:02 PM

for all you Fl guys...here

http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/wea...ossession.html

beenthere · January 28, 2005, 10:35 PM

I've never asked a lawyer (I probably should) but since I live across the street from a middle school I'm probably illegal even sitting in my home. I guess that would make it definitely if I went out to the car.

9mmsnoopy · January 29, 2005, 01:21 AM

in texas you can carry in liquor stores

Shamus · January 29, 2005, 10:34 AM

Aside from the state/federal areas where you can't carry here in Ohio there are many signs posted in Malls and other stores. My approach is that I have excellent concealment without concern of printing so I don't bother disarming when I go into those businesses. A couple of reasons. 1) Thats the place where I am most likely to be needing a firearm. 2) I don't like disarming in my car in the parking lot where anyone might be able to see me and be tempted to break into my car to take what I just hid.

The odds that I'll ever need a firearm are extremely low but I would rather have quick access than leave it at home and until they start installing metal detectors or doing a body search I'll keep mine with me.

AttackTurtle · January 29, 2005, 10:51 AM

Thanks Nimitz87 and wild_billz.

When I read "any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption* from http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/wea...ossession.html < I thought it didnt matter where the consumption was to take place.

from the FL Statute ":any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose"

I feel better now. Didnt think I was going to be able to go anywhere common.

JR Guns · January 29, 2005, 07:07 PM

Of course not!!!......

Lycanthrope · January 30, 2005, 12:38 AM

I always get a kick out of this.

No one really makes a big deal about talking about carrying where you aren't allowed.

I've done this myself and I feel that if I have to draw, then I am in the process of saving my own life. If I have to save my life then the litigation involved is the least of my concerns........but......

....bring up the idea of carrying handloads (where being convicted due to using them is pure speculation) and people crawl out of the walls all enraged about how you will be sued and give the anti's more ammunition in the news.

I think that if you are carrying where you shouldn't you will be prosecuted if you use your weapon. I feel it's the lesser of evils in comparison to my life, but I wonder about why we look the other way in some cases and not others....

Not to start a flame war, but carrying has a LOT of social responsibility. If you have to go to the liquor store at 10 am to avoid possible trouble then that's when you need to go.

Joint/Strike · January 30, 2005, 01:13 PM

I found a great site that gives many of the particulars of CCW for any state.

Packing.org

Boilermaker · January 30, 2005, 02:02 PM

Thanks for the info from packing.org. I'm from Indiana and there was a short list on there about places that are prohibited such as schools, airports, etc. Does anyone know if it is illegal to carry in any other establishments such as those that sell liquor, drug stores, or if there a complete list, this list just seemed short? I normally don't carry alot but I have wondered about this? I will say that where I live there is a Walgreens drug store within a block of my house, that I usually walk to (most of the time late at night since its the only place open 24hrs). They were robbed about 4 times in the 3 1/2 years i've lived here, so I always carry when I go there. One time we found about it when the police were out front of the house in haul @$$ mode guns drawn flashlights out searching the cars and the fence in the backyard. I have never carried in a place that sells or allows you to drink alcohol, just seems like a common sense place not to

. I would be curious to know if its illegal to carry in restraunt/bars, as there are alot of those around here.

38splfan · January 30, 2005, 03:49 PM

I have never intentionally carried in places not lawful. I'm sure that I have done it unknowingly in the past, or will do so in the future, but purely accidental.
Living in a place that sometimes just stinks with anti's, I do my best to watch my toes when at all possible.

Socrates · January 30, 2005, 11:12 PM

I'm a teacher. Thanks to Bill Clinton, I can't protect myself at my place of work.
:barf:

s

January 26, 2005, 08:27 PM	#1
AttackTurtle Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2005 Location: Washington NJ Posts: 248	Have you ever carried where you shouldn't? Ill be getting my ccw permit soon and in FL, there are many places I wont be able to carry. Some are obvious like schools and police stations. Others are more cryptic or inconvenient. I think liquor stores are included in the inconveniant. I personally understand why you woundnt carry at a bar but liquor stores are what I consider one of the more dangerous places I go. How many people here have carried where they shouldnt and what is your reasoning? __________________ RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET

January 26, 2005, 10:01 PM	#2
Dwight55 Senior Member Join Date: June 18, 2004 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 2,568	I walked into my barber shop (after they posted, . . . and I didn't see it) and this is my only experience with your question. In Ohio, . . . it is a serious offence to do this, . . . therefore, I just steer clear of those places. I can keep my CCW license without going in their establishments, . . . but if caught in one of them, . . . I might lose my CCW. It is just not worth it to me. Yes, . . . I have a new barber. May God bless, Dwight __________________ www.dwightsgunleather.com If you can breathe, . . . thank God! If you can read, . . . thank a teacher! If you are reading this in English, . . . thank a Veteran!

January 26, 2005, 10:54 PM	#3
AttackTurtle Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2005 Location: Washington NJ Posts: 248	Has anybody carried in a national forest when your not supposed to? __________________ RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET

January 27, 2005, 05:33 AM	#4
Marko Kloos Senior Member Join Date: January 12, 2000 Location: Enfield, NH Posts: 5,521	From experience, I can tell you that the "no CCW in places that serve liquor" offense is probably the most common misdemeanor among TN CCW holders. __________________ "The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." --A.E. Van Vogt, The Weapon Shops of Isher the munchkin wrangler.

January 27, 2005, 09:42 AM	#5
moonstone Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 2004 Posts: 120	"From experience, I can tell you that the "no CCW in places that serve liquor" offense is probably the most common misdemeanor among TN CCW holders." I'm also in east TN, what are the consequences of this? Last edited by moonstone; January 27, 2005 at 11:47 AM.

January 27, 2005, 01:17 PM	#6
woodland Senior Member Join Date: December 26, 2001 Location: western wa. Posts: 564	__________________ "There is no spoon..." Last edited by woodland; January 27, 2005 at 05:29 PM.

January 27, 2005, 01:43 PM	#7
Erich Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 1999 Location: Albuquerque, NM, USA Posts: 2,543	U.S. Const., Amend. V: "No person shall . . . be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself . . . ." Perhaps folks might reflect on the wisdom of this language before they post on threads such as this one.

January 27, 2005, 01:46 PM	#8
FirstFreedom Junior member Join Date: May 31, 2004 Location: The Toll Road State, U.S.A. Posts: 12,451	Well, in my state, if you carry in a private property place that is posted, such as a bank, restaurant, whathaveyou, then ONLY thing they can do is ask you to leave (ceast and desist trespassing), and that gives you an opportunity to in fact leave, before one's liability for trespassing kicks in. So I regularly do that, and see no reason to do otherwise. But of course, one would be wise to remain perfectly concealed if following such a course of action. OTOH, places specifically prohibited by the CCW law, like government buildings, public sporting events, bars and the bar areas of restaurants, schools, etc.....no, I do NOT carry there...too much to risk. I just avoid them if I can. Unfortunately, I cannot avoid them all, since the courthouse is one place I'm required to go regularly in my job. So I am disarmed by the (unconstitutional) law several times a week. As for the post office, yes I have carried in there once when I was literally going to be inside just 2 seconds or so, just to drop off letters into the slot, then immediately leave. But I shouldn't have done this even, won't do it again, and I think that one should definitely avoid this practice...my guess is the federalis would fry you pretty badly.

January 27, 2005, 06:18 PM	#9
cyf7tkwl Member Join Date: January 15, 2005 Posts: 56	Have you ever carried where you shouldn't? No.

January 27, 2005, 06:55 PM	#10
Bullrock Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2004 Posts: 2,686	Not that I'm aware of

January 27, 2005, 11:13 PM	#11
mmike87 Member Join Date: July 4, 2004 Posts: 75	I thought you COULD carry in a National Forest, just not a National Park. There IS a significant difference between the two. __________________ SIG P220 ST, SIG P228, SIG P239, SIG P232SL, SIG P226ST, SIG P229R-DAK Kimber Team Match II, Les Baer SuperTac HK USP Tactical 45, CZ 75B Tactical Rock River M4gery

January 28, 2005, 08:32 AM	#12
Erich Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 1999 Location: Albuquerque, NM, USA Posts: 2,543	That's my understanding as well, subject to local laws, of course (for instance, IIRC, FL does not allow CCW in natl. forests by state statute unless certain conditions are met).

January 28, 2005, 09:10 AM	#13
wild_billz Member Join Date: September 17, 2004 Posts: 31	where to carry and where not In Florida you can carry in a liquor store, not in a bar, chack the state Dept of State website, yu can carry in a restuarant, but not in the bar section.

January 28, 2005, 03:16 PM	#14
glennv Junior Member Join Date: November 25, 2004 Posts: 11	Not illegal but I stopped to get directions from these two security guards outside some building. As I pulled away I realized it was an abortion clinic. That's all I'd need is to have them see me printing.

January 28, 2005, 10:35 PM	#16
beenthere Senior Member Join Date: November 16, 2004 Location: NE Indiana Posts: 460	Off limits places I've never asked a lawyer (I probably should) but since I live across the street from a middle school I'm probably illegal even sitting in my home. I guess that would make it definitely if I went out to the car.

January 29, 2005, 01:21 AM	#17
9mmsnoopy Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Location: Thrillsville ,Tx Posts: 904	in texas you can carry in liquor stores __________________ beretta cx4 storm .40 caliber sig P290 Kahr PM9 Glock 26 Bushmaster AR15

January 29, 2005, 10:34 AM	#18
Shamus Member Join Date: May 31, 2004 Location: Ohio Valley Posts: 94	Aside from the state/federal areas where you can't carry here in Ohio there are many signs posted in Malls and other stores. My approach is that I have excellent concealment without concern of printing so I don't bother disarming when I go into those businesses. A couple of reasons. 1) Thats the place where I am most likely to be needing a firearm. 2) I don't like disarming in my car in the parking lot where anyone might be able to see me and be tempted to break into my car to take what I just hid. The odds that I'll ever need a firearm are extremely low but I would rather have quick access than leave it at home and until they start installing metal detectors or doing a body search I'll keep mine with me.

January 29, 2005, 10:51 AM	#19
AttackTurtle Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2005 Location: Washington NJ Posts: 248	Thanks Nimitz87 and wild_billz. When I read "any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption* from http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/wea...ossession.html < I thought it didnt matter where the consumption was to take place. from the FL Statute ":any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose" I feel better now. Didnt think I was going to be able to go anywhere common. __________________ RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET

January 29, 2005, 07:07 PM	#20
JR Guns Junior Member Join Date: December 25, 2004 Posts: 10	???? Of course not!!!......

January 30, 2005, 12:38 AM	#21
Lycanthrope Senior Member Join Date: October 1, 2001 Location: PA Posts: 1,752	I always get a kick out of this. No one really makes a big deal about talking about carrying where you aren't allowed. I've done this myself and I feel that if I have to draw, then I am in the process of saving my own life. If I have to save my life then the litigation involved is the least of my concerns........but...... ....bring up the idea of carrying handloads (where being convicted due to using them is pure speculation) and people crawl out of the walls all enraged about how you will be sued and give the anti's more ammunition in the news. I think that if you are carrying where you shouldn't you will be prosecuted if you use your weapon. I feel it's the lesser of evils in comparison to my life, but I wonder about why we look the other way in some cases and not others.... Not to start a flame war, but carrying has a LOT of social responsibility. If you have to go to the liquor store at 10 am to avoid possible trouble then that's when you need to go.

January 30, 2005, 01:13 PM	#22
Joint/Strike Member Join Date: January 30, 2005 Location: New Johnsonville, TN Posts: 31	I found a great site that gives many of the particulars of CCW for any state. Packing.org __________________ "When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own dwelling, his goods are safe." -[B]Luke 11:21

January 30, 2005, 02:02 PM	#23
Boilermaker Member Join Date: January 29, 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 30	Thanks for the info from packing.org. I'm from Indiana and there was a short list on there about places that are prohibited such as schools, airports, etc. Does anyone know if it is illegal to carry in any other establishments such as those that sell liquor, drug stores, or if there a complete list, this list just seemed short? I normally don't carry alot but I have wondered about this? I will say that where I live there is a Walgreens drug store within a block of my house, that I usually walk to (most of the time late at night since its the only place open 24hrs). They were robbed about 4 times in the 3 1/2 years i've lived here, so I always carry when I go there. One time we found about it when the police were out front of the house in haul @$$ mode guns drawn flashlights out searching the cars and the fence in the backyard. I have never carried in a place that sells or allows you to drink alcohol, just seems like a common sense place not to . I would be curious to know if its illegal to carry in restraunt/bars, as there are alot of those around here. __________________ The desire for peace and the simplistic and misplaced guilt many people have, create a tendency to make everyone who demands a standard of behavior into some kind of Neanderthal.

January 30, 2005, 03:49 PM	#24
38splfan Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 2004 Location: Ft. Lewis/Tacoma, WA. Posts: 1,034	Never intentionally. I have never intentionally carried in places not lawful. I'm sure that I have done it unknowingly in the past, or will do so in the future, but purely accidental. Living in a place that sometimes just stinks with anti's, I do my best to watch my toes when at all possible. __________________ "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to others and I expect the same from them." - John Wayne

January 30, 2005, 11:12 PM	#25
Socrates Junior member Join Date: January 5, 2005 Location: East Bay NorCal, People's Republik of Kalifornia Posts: 5,866	I'm a teacher. Thanks to Bill Clinton, I can't protect myself at my place of work. :barf: s