Titegroup & Plated Bullets - Still Looking

Dgremlin · March 27, 2005, 11:23 PM

I've been using Rainier Ballistics and West Coast Bullets .44 mag 240gr. JHP with Accurate #9 and #5 but I have been trying to find some loading data using these plated bullets with Titegroup. Anyone using Titegroup with any brand plated bullets?

Nortonics · March 28, 2005, 02:56 AM

Hodgdon's site gives one recipe for your setup:

240 GR. NOS JHP - COL: 1.600" - TITEGROUP 10.0gr. - 1292fps - 37,700 CUP

Check it here:

44 Remington Magnum reload data

Dgremlin · March 28, 2005, 09:52 AM

I'm told plated bullets act different than regular jacketed bullets. They're closer to lead bullets. When I wrote to Rainier Ballistics they told me I could take the data for jacketed bullets and reduce the starting loads by 10% OR if I had data for a lead slug I could use that straight across the board. The problem is that if you look at the JHP data (-10%) and compare it to the data for a lead slug you have about 4gr of powder difference between starting loads! Safety is my main concern here. (I don't want to blow myself up but I'd also hate to get a bullet stuck in my barrel.) BTW that 10gr. for the Noslers is the max load. I used that data for some Hornady XTPs and it worked fine but the Hornadys are quite a bit more expensive.

Zak Smith · March 28, 2005, 12:42 PM

I've loaded a TON of moderate 44RM loads with Titegroup and WC bullets. Send me a PM tonight and I'll look up my data.

Dgremlin · March 28, 2005, 04:01 PM

If anyone's interested, I called Hodgdons today and they said to use the data for Lead SWC (of the same weight)for any plated bullet. I'm not sure what would happen if I used JHP data but I'd rather be safe than sorry.

Guy B. Meredith · March 29, 2005, 12:53 AM

I use high lead listings and then do several in increments of .2 gr. and go out to the range with a chrono.

Zak Smith · March 29, 2005, 01:05 AM

Shot from a 6" SW 629.

240gr West Coast Flat Point, 8.0gr Titegroup, 1.605", 1017fps (sd 13.9)

200gr Gold Dot, 1.609", 8.0gr Titegroup: 1083fps (sd 8.2)

240gr Gold Dot, 1.609", 10.0gr Titegroup: 1182fps (sd 10)

This should give you some idea what to expect.

Dgremlin · March 29, 2005, 10:48 AM

I made up some test rounds starting at the low 4.7gr listed in the Hodgdon manual. (West Coast JHP 240gr - 6 rounds at 4.7gr., 6 rounds at 5.2gr. and 6 rounds at 5.5. Hope they're not too low. I'm going to be upset if I get a bullet stuck in the barrel.

**Antipitas** · March 29, 2005, 04:05 PM

Dgremlin, I think you will find that TG is an extremely versatile powder for the 44, when loading for light to moderate loads.

I've used 4.5gr up to 9gr. with some Sierra 240gr. SJLFN's. Everything from 7gr and below were really mild. I currently have a couple of hundred rounds loaded with 8gr, using Oregon Trail Laser Cast 240gr SWC and WLP primers. They shoot exceptionally well. The differences in velocity between 8gr and 10gr wasn't enough to justify the extra recoil and powder. When I need something faster and heavier, I switch to H110.

AAYMMV

March 27, 2005, 11:23 PM	#1
Dgremlin Member Join Date: November 25, 2004 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 34	Titegroup & Plated Bullets - Still Looking I've been using Rainier Ballistics and West Coast Bullets .44 mag 240gr. JHP with Accurate #9 and #5 but I have been trying to find some loading data using these plated bullets with Titegroup. Anyone using Titegroup with any brand plated bullets?

March 28, 2005, 02:56 AM	#2
Nortonics Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2004 Location: Murderapolis Posts: 521	Hodgdon's site gives one recipe for your setup: 240 GR. NOS JHP - COL: 1.600" - TITEGROUP 10.0gr. - 1292fps - 37,700 CUP Check it here: 44 Remington Magnum reload data __________________ Tom.

March 28, 2005, 12:42 PM	#4
Zak Smith Senior Member Join Date: December 12, 1999 Location: Fort Collins, Colorado, USA Posts: 2,256	I've loaded a TON of moderate 44RM loads with Titegroup and WC bullets. Send me a PM tonight and I'll look up my data. __________________ Zak Smith . DEMIGOD LLC . THUNDER BEAST ARMS CORP . COLORADO MULTI-GUN *My PM inbox full? Send e-mail instead.*

March 29, 2005, 12:53 AM	#6
Guy B. Meredith Senior Member Join Date: August 29, 1999 Location: San Ramon, CA Posts: 1,510	I use high lead listings and then do several in increments of .2 gr. and go out to the range with a chrono. __________________ Smart Gun + 1 Battery + 3 Wires = Dumb Gun PC = Agenda driven groupthink filter on reality. Apostrophes denote ownership or missing letters NOT plurals!

March 29, 2005, 01:05 AM	#7
Zak Smith Senior Member Join Date: December 12, 1999 Location: Fort Collins, Colorado, USA Posts: 2,256	Shot from a 6" SW 629. 240gr West Coast Flat Point, 8.0gr Titegroup, 1.605", 1017fps (sd 13.9) 200gr Gold Dot, 1.609", 8.0gr Titegroup: 1083fps (sd 8.2) 240gr Gold Dot, 1.609", 10.0gr Titegroup: 1182fps (sd 10) This should give you some idea what to expect. __________________ Zak Smith . DEMIGOD LLC . THUNDER BEAST ARMS CORP . COLORADO MULTI-GUN *My PM inbox full? Send e-mail instead.*

March 28, 2005, 09:52 AM	#3
Dgremlin Member Join Date: November 25, 2004 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 34	I'm told plated bullets act different than regular jacketed bullets. They're closer to lead bullets. When I wrote to Rainier Ballistics they told me I could take the data for jacketed bullets and reduce the starting loads by 10% OR if I had data for a lead slug I could use that straight across the board. The problem is that if you look at the JHP data (-10%) and compare it to the data for a lead slug you have about 4gr of powder difference between starting loads! Safety is my main concern here. (I don't want to blow myself up but I'd also hate to get a bullet stuck in my barrel.) BTW that 10gr. for the Noslers is the max load. I used that data for some Hornady XTPs and it worked fine but the Hornadys are quite a bit more expensive.

March 28, 2005, 04:01 PM	#5
Dgremlin Member Join Date: November 25, 2004 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 34	If anyone's interested, I called Hodgdons today and they said to use the data for Lead SWC (of the same weight)for any plated bullet. I'm not sure what would happen if I used JHP data but I'd rather be safe than sorry.

March 29, 2005, 10:48 AM	#8
Dgremlin Member Join Date: November 25, 2004 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 34	I made up some test rounds starting at the low 4.7gr listed in the Hodgdon manual. (West Coast JHP 240gr - 6 rounds at 4.7gr., 6 rounds at 5.2gr. and 6 rounds at 5.5. Hope they're not too low. I'm going to be upset if I get a bullet stuck in the barrel.

March 29, 2005, 04:05 PM	#9
Antipitas Staff Join Date: June 29, 2000 Location: Rupert, Idaho Posts: 5,664	Dgremlin, I think you will find that TG is an extremely versatile powder for the 44, when loading for light to moderate loads. I've used 4.5gr up to 9gr. with some Sierra 240gr. SJLFN's. Everything from 7gr and below were really mild. I currently have a couple of hundred rounds loaded with 8gr, using Oregon Trail Laser Cast 240gr SWC and WLP primers. They shoot exceptionally well. The differences in velocity between 8gr and 10gr wasn't enough to justify the extra recoil and powder. When I need something faster and heavier, I switch to H110. AAYMMV __________________ Al Norris POLITICS, n. A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. --Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary.