I'm going to miss my Baby Eagle. (Need Recommendations)

Wynterbourne · August 17, 2005, 08:05 PM

It pains me to say this, and I do mean it REALLY pains me to say this, but I have to trade in my beloved Baby Eagle. Financial issues have required me to take a part time position as a Commissioned Security Officer to supplement my funds.

The company that I'm working for requires at least a Level-II Retention Holster. In addition, they don't know the Baby Eagle well enough to vouch for its effectiveness. As such, I have to get a new duty weapon. And because financial issues are the reason I'm getting the job, I can't afford to just go and pick up a new handgun. So it's time for a trade up.

The problem is, I got kind of spoiled with my Baby Eagle. It served as a duty weapon, was easily concealable, and has almost no recoil with most commonly available ammunition. So, put bluntly, I have no idea what in the Hades I should replace it with.

Here's what I'm looking at:

1 - It needs to be a 9mm. For medical reasons (which are slowly being resolved) I can't shoot a .40 or a .45.

2 - Needs to have readily available holsters and magazines.

3 - Needs to be somewhat concealable. (Keep in mind that I fall into the category of 'Slimness Challenged', also known as 'I'm A Fat Son-of-a-Gun Syndrom'.)

4 - Needs to have a profile more suited to small/medium hands.

So, what are the recommendations? I'm open to pretty much anything.

USP45usp · August 17, 2005, 08:22 PM

Wynterbourne,

I know that this will sound stupid, but have you at least $200 or so dollars? Borrow it?

If you can, look into the FM Hi-power. It is made in Argentina, on the equipment used to make the Belgium (I'm really destroying the spelling of other countries names

) Hi-power.

Now, it ain't a pretty gun (as in finish) but it's an exact copy of the original (since they go for over $1500 (or so I just saw in the gun shop but they could have been original originals).

Heck bud, if I were there I'd let you borrow mine so you could get the job and then when you got enough $$ to buy what you wanted you could give it back.

To get rid of a gun that you truly love, is hell man and you will always regret the decision (this said not to make you feel bad, just telling you the truth, been there, done that

).

Wayne

Henry Baker · August 17, 2005, 08:29 PM

Look at a Walther P99, or any Walther for that matter. My friends father has a PPK and it shoots very well, Very reliable, great trigger, very accurate, and readily available accessories. Of course this is just one idea, there are many others that would fit your needs. A factory certified pre-owned Sig may suit your financial needs better, and Sigs are great too.

Handy · August 17, 2005, 08:43 PM

A security job is going to require a common gun that is not SA. I'd pick up a used S&W. Very common police gun, and a good gun all around. A used 915 or 459 can cost no more than $250.

WillBrayjr · August 17, 2005, 08:52 PM

If you are on a budget police trade-in glocks maybe just the ticket. If you can afford a new handgun then take a look at the SA-XD line.

Handy · August 17, 2005, 08:54 PM

How is a single action gun with no retention holsters available going to be a good choice for a security guard who can't get them to accept a Baby Eagle?

Why not suggest Mateba and Korth?

Jart · August 17, 2005, 09:36 PM

I don't know about the holster situation as the thing is no longer cataloged...

But it sounds like you're describing a SIG P225. Single stack, it seems plenty trim and accomodating of small/medium hands.

http://www.global-military.info/weapons/sig-p225.html

topspin43 · August 17, 2005, 09:43 PM

check the S&W revolvers here!

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/index.html

Wynterbourne · August 17, 2005, 10:02 PM

Quote:

How is a single action gun with no retention holsters available going to be a good choice for a security guard who can't get them to accept a Baby Eagle?

That's the funny thing. They're not too worried about it being DA. A number of their officers carry 1911's.

Personally, I do prefer Double Action though.

USP45usp · August 17, 2005, 10:17 PM

Handy,

I don't know if you are unaware of my post and what I was trying to say, or if you just don't care, I'm on the side of the latter.

I'm saying that Wynterbourne will be regratful that he sold his Baby Eagle, and that will cause him to sooner, or later, hate his decision. So therefore, we are trying to get him to buy another gun with cash/money/credit/borrow and keep the gun that he loves.

Have you a problem with that concept? I swear dude, sometimes you can really come off with the most sarcastic posts that I've ever seen.

(this is not just this thread, but many, many, many, and many others)

edited to Handy: It may just be a personality conflict between you and I. Maybe I'm taking your posts in the wrong light. I will endeaver to try not to read into your posts and keep on topic. Any thing that I may need clarification on I will use the PM function

.

Wayne

*if inappropriate, please delete.

Handy · August 17, 2005, 11:36 PM

I was referring to Will's suggestion of an XD, Wayne. You'll note I made a comparison to the Baby Eagle, as in: "if a Beagle, which has been around 15 years is too odd, how is the 4 year old XD going to ring any bells". The 70 year old BHP will probably be recognized.

I don't know where you'd get a retention holster for a Hipower in the states, but I'm sure there are some. But I certainly wasn't commenting on any part of your post. In fact, I also posted ideas for very inexpensive guns that would meet his needs, rather than pricey guns requiring he replace the Beagle. I didn't say that, because you already had.

[SARCASTIC POST] Why you always got to be the martyr, Wayne?

[/SARCASTIC POST]

If you actually want to chit-chat about my person, may I recommend the handy PM function? (Oh, that probably came off sarcastic, didn't it!? (Crap, that too!))

CarbineCaleb · August 17, 2005, 11:54 PM

Hmmm... how about a used Glock 17 or 34? Neither one is exactly tiny, but tiny and comfortable shooting rarely agree. The Glocks are slim (1.18") and so quite concealable, and are soft shooting for pistols of their weight (~26oz). Should get a nod of familiarity anywhere too.

max popenker · August 18, 2005, 03:38 AM

If you've loved CZ-75 clone, why not to go for the Real CZ-75?

This is a very decent (to say the least

) combat handgun, and i bet it is widely recognized; it is 9mm, hicap, and very, very comfy...

And inexpensive, too.

WillBrayjr · August 18, 2005, 06:00 AM

What does the XD have anything to do with single action autos? I didn't even mention any single action autos.

Handy · August 18, 2005, 08:57 AM

And XD IS a single action auto.

Fremmer · August 18, 2005, 09:14 AM

How about buying a used .38/.357 revolver on the cheap so that you can keep the Baby Eagle? Would the revolver work with the holster requirement?

WillBrayjr · August 18, 2005, 09:16 AM

Wrong Handy, the XD is DAO as per Springfield Armory.

Seraph · August 18, 2005, 09:30 AM

Actually, Springfield Armory states that the XD has a "U.S.A" (Ultra Safety Assurance) trigger action. And, somehow, I find that hilarious this morning.

Handy · August 18, 2005, 09:33 AM

Well, it isn't. And I'm sure any number of other people on this board can also tell you that, since it has been said many times, here. The striker is fully cocked, as you'll note from the "cocking indicator".

Would you like to post a link to where SA says it is DAO?

Seraph · August 18, 2005, 09:48 AM

Wynter', looks like CDNN investments has some good deals on Sig trade-ins. Might want to sell your Baby Eagle outright, locally, and use the proceeds to grab up a P226. I'm sure there are plenty of retention holsters for this very well-known pistol.

WillBrayjr · August 18, 2005, 10:50 AM

Here you go:

www.galleryofguns.com All distributers use info on guns they carry from the manufacture.

Handy · August 18, 2005, 12:20 PM

Here YOU go:

Call Springfield Armory at 1-800-680-6866. I spoke to Terry, who said "Technically, it is a single action."

Don't believe everything you read. Especially when you can examine the pistol with your own eyes and brain.

dasmi · August 18, 2005, 12:33 PM

Glock 19.

Handy · August 18, 2005, 12:37 PM

And BTW, Will, the last IDPA rulebook listed the XD and HS in the ESP section, because it did not have some version of a DA trigger.

Seraph · August 18, 2005, 12:41 PM

Hey, guys, totally aside from the fact that Handy is right, this crap is not helping Wynterbourne at all.

August 17, 2005, 08:05 PM	#1
Wynterbourne Senior Member Join Date: August 15, 2004 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 290	I'm going to miss my Baby Eagle. (Need Recommendations) It pains me to say this, and I do mean it REALLY pains me to say this, but I have to trade in my beloved Baby Eagle. Financial issues have required me to take a part time position as a Commissioned Security Officer to supplement my funds. The company that I'm working for requires at least a Level-II Retention Holster. In addition, they don't know the Baby Eagle well enough to vouch for its effectiveness. As such, I have to get a new duty weapon. And because financial issues are the reason I'm getting the job, I can't afford to just go and pick up a new handgun. So it's time for a trade up. The problem is, I got kind of spoiled with my Baby Eagle. It served as a duty weapon, was easily concealable, and has almost no recoil with most commonly available ammunition. So, put bluntly, I have no idea what in the Hades I should replace it with. Here's what I'm looking at: 1 - It needs to be a 9mm. For medical reasons (which are slowly being resolved) I can't shoot a .40 or a .45. 2 - Needs to have readily available holsters and magazines. 3 - Needs to be somewhat concealable. (Keep in mind that I fall into the category of 'Slimness Challenged', also known as 'I'm A Fat Son-of-a-Gun Syndrom'.) 4 - Needs to have a profile more suited to small/medium hands. So, what are the recommendations? I'm open to pretty much anything. __________________ They got mine once. Never again. Molon Labe! "You can say ‘stop’ or ‘alto’ or use any other word you think will work, but I’ve found that a large bore muzzle pointed at someone’s head is pretty much the universal language." - Clint Smith 9mm. Because no matter how you try to rationalize it, .45 ACP is still for people trying to compensate for -something-.

August 17, 2005, 09:43 PM	#8
topspin43 Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2005 Location: Palm Beach Posts: 755	check the S&W revolvers here! http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/index.html __________________ Be careful out there.

August 17, 2005, 10:17 PM	#10
USP45usp Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2000 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 3,437	Handy, I don't know if you are unaware of my post and what I was trying to say, or if you just don't care, I'm on the side of the latter. I'm saying that Wynterbourne will be regratful that he sold his Baby Eagle, and that will cause him to sooner, or later, hate his decision. So therefore, we are trying to get him to buy another gun with cash/money/credit/borrow and keep the gun that he loves. Have you a problem with that concept? I swear dude, sometimes you can really come off with the most sarcastic posts that I've ever seen. (this is not just this thread, but many, many, many, and many others) edited to Handy: It may just be a personality conflict between you and I. Maybe I'm taking your posts in the wrong light. I will endeaver to try not to read into your posts and keep on topic. Any thing that I may need clarification on I will use the PM function . Wayne if inappropriate, please delete. Last edited by USP45usp; August 18, 2005 at 09:23 AM.*

August 17, 2005, 11:54 PM	#12
CarbineCaleb Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2004 Posts: 2,462	Hmmm... how about a used Glock 17 or 34? Neither one is exactly tiny, but tiny and comfortable shooting rarely agree. The Glocks are slim (1.18") and so quite concealable, and are soft shooting for pistols of their weight (~26oz). Should get a nod of familiarity anywhere too. __________________ “Never express yourself more clearly than you are able to think.” Niels Bohr

August 18, 2005, 03:38 AM	#13
max popenker Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2002 Posts: 130	If you've loved CZ-75 clone, why not to go for the Real CZ-75? This is a very decent (to say the least ) combat handgun, and i bet it is widely recognized; it is 9mm, hicap, and very, very comfy... And inexpensive, too. __________________ Signed: Maxim Popenker Modern Firearms website

August 17, 2005, 08:22 PM	#2
USP45usp Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2000 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 3,437	Wynterbourne, I know that this will sound stupid, but have you at least $200 or so dollars? Borrow it? If you can, look into the FM Hi-power. It is made in Argentina, on the equipment used to make the Belgium (I'm really destroying the spelling of other countries names ) Hi-power. Now, it ain't a pretty gun (as in finish) but it's an exact copy of the original (since they go for over $1500 (or so I just saw in the gun shop but they could have been original originals). Heck bud, if I were there I'd let you borrow mine so you could get the job and then when you got enough $$ to buy what you wanted you could give it back. To get rid of a gun that you truly love, is hell man and you will always regret the decision (this said not to make you feel bad, just telling you the truth, been there, done that ). Wayne

August 17, 2005, 08:29 PM	#3
Henry Baker Senior Member Join Date: August 8, 2005 Location: Central Florida Posts: 199	Look at a Walther P99, or any Walther for that matter. My friends father has a PPK and it shoots very well, Very reliable, great trigger, very accurate, and readily available accessories. Of course this is just one idea, there are many others that would fit your needs. A factory certified pre-owned Sig may suit your financial needs better, and Sigs are great too.

August 17, 2005, 08:43 PM	#4
Handy Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2001 Posts: 8,793	A security job is going to require a common gun that is not SA. I'd pick up a used S&W. Very common police gun, and a good gun all around. A used 915 or 459 can cost no more than $250.

August 17, 2005, 08:52 PM	#5
WillBrayjr Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 1,881	If you are on a budget police trade-in glocks maybe just the ticket. If you can afford a new handgun then take a look at the SA-XD line.

August 17, 2005, 08:54 PM	#6
Handy Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2001 Posts: 8,793	How is a single action gun with no retention holsters available going to be a good choice for a security guard who can't get them to accept a Baby Eagle? Why not suggest Mateba and Korth?

August 17, 2005, 09:36 PM	#7
Jart Senior Member Join Date: December 24, 2001 Location: Grand Prairie, TX Posts: 1,592	I don't know about the holster situation as the thing is no longer cataloged... But it sounds like you're describing a SIG P225. Single stack, it seems plenty trim and accomodating of small/medium hands. http://www.global-military.info/weapons/sig-p225.html

August 17, 2005, 11:36 PM	#11
Handy Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2001 Posts: 8,793	I was referring to Will's suggestion of an XD, Wayne. You'll note I made a comparison to the Baby Eagle, as in: "if a Beagle, which has been around 15 years is too odd, how is the 4 year old XD going to ring any bells". The 70 year old BHP will probably be recognized. I don't know where you'd get a retention holster for a Hipower in the states, but I'm sure there are some. But I certainly wasn't commenting on any part of your post. In fact, I also posted ideas for very inexpensive guns that would meet his needs, rather than pricey guns requiring he replace the Beagle. I didn't say that, because you already had. [SARCASTIC POST] Why you always got to be the martyr, Wayne? [/SARCASTIC POST] If you actually want to chit-chat about my person, may I recommend the handy PM function? (Oh, that probably came off sarcastic, didn't it!? (Crap, that too!))

August 18, 2005, 06:00 AM	#14
WillBrayjr Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 1,881	What does the XD have anything to do with single action autos? I didn't even mention any single action autos.

August 18, 2005, 08:57 AM	#15
Handy Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2001 Posts: 8,793	And XD IS a single action auto.

August 18, 2005, 09:14 AM	#16
Fremmer Senior Member Join Date: June 19, 2005 Location: Nebraska Posts: 3,486	How about buying a used .38/.357 revolver on the cheap so that you can keep the Baby Eagle? Would the revolver work with the holster requirement?

August 18, 2005, 09:16 AM	#17
WillBrayjr Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 1,881	Wrong Handy, the XD is DAO as per Springfield Armory.

August 18, 2005, 09:30 AM	#18
Seraph Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2004 Posts: 365	Actually, Springfield Armory states that the XD has a "U.S.A" (Ultra Safety Assurance) trigger action. And, somehow, I find that hilarious this morning.

August 18, 2005, 09:33 AM	#19
Handy Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2001 Posts: 8,793	Well, it isn't. And I'm sure any number of other people on this board can also tell you that, since it has been said many times, here. The striker is fully cocked, as you'll note from the "cocking indicator". Would you like to post a link to where SA says it is DAO?

August 18, 2005, 09:48 AM	#20
Seraph Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2004 Posts: 365	Wynter', looks like CDNN investments has some good deals on Sig trade-ins. Might want to sell your Baby Eagle outright, locally, and use the proceeds to grab up a P226. I'm sure there are plenty of retention holsters for this very well-known pistol.

August 18, 2005, 10:50 AM	#21
WillBrayjr Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 1,881	Here you go: www.galleryofguns.com All distributers use info on guns they carry from the manufacture.

August 18, 2005, 12:20 PM	#22
Handy Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2001 Posts: 8,793	Here YOU go: Call Springfield Armory at 1-800-680-6866. I spoke to Terry, who said "Technically, it is a single action." Don't believe everything you read. Especially when you can examine the pistol with your own eyes and brain.

August 18, 2005, 12:33 PM	#23
dasmi Senior Member Join Date: January 18, 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 877	Glock 19. __________________ If we look at the black record of mass murder, exploitation, and tyranny levied on society by governments over the ages, we need not be loath to abandon the Leviathan State and ... try freedom. --Murray Rothbard, For a New Liberty

August 18, 2005, 12:37 PM	#24
Handy Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2001 Posts: 8,793	And BTW, Will, the last IDPA rulebook listed the XD and HS in the ESP section, because it did not have some version of a DA trigger.

August 18, 2005, 12:41 PM	#25
Seraph Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2004 Posts: 365	Hey, guys, totally aside from the fact that Handy is right, this crap is not helping Wynterbourne at all.