Going on a cruise=panicked security guard. True story!

rsmithsss · December 10, 2005, 07:32 AM

Hello all. Had a funny experience recently going on a cruise with the girlfriend.

Pulled into the Port of Jax in Fla. and stopped at the security checkpoint. 2 male officers and 1 female officer, all unarmed. The younger of the 2 male officers asked if he could look around the vehicle. I said "sure". He pops the hatch in the rear of the SUV and sees a machete. (I forgot it was there from camping). "Are you planning on taking this on the ship?" he asks. "Nope, I forgot it was back there" I say. "OK" he says. No big deal so far. So then I figure that they may look a little more closely around the truck now, so I say to the older male and female by my window "By the way, I've got a handgun in the glovebox". The female says, "OK, just pull up ahead there into the coned area" (about 20 feet away, so they could continue to check in the cars behind us.) I did so and the older male and female came over while the younger male continued to check cars.

Here's where the fun begins.

(Older male speaking in a very harsh fashion) "Sir, you need to remove that gun from the glovebox while we call a Port police officer over here to check it out and escort you through the luggage offloading area and then to the parking lot. Do you have a permit for it?"
(Me) "With all due respect sir, I'm not touching that gun, I'll wait for further instruction from the Port police officer and in the State of Florida a "permit" isn't needed to keep a gun in a snapped holster in a glovebox."
(Older male highly agitated now) "You will remove that firearm or be arrested on the spot when he gets here!
(Me, calmly) "No sir, I'm not going to be holding a loaded weapon when a police officer gets here. For THAT I could be arrested. As i said, I'll wait for instructions from the officer".
(Female Guard says to Older male guard) "He's right he shouldn't touch the gun. He needs to let the officer do that.
(Male Guard now alarmingly upset at both myself and his female supervisor) "THIS MAN WILL BE PLACED UNDER ARREST IMMEDIATELY IF HE IS NOT HOLDING THE GUN WHEN THE OFFICER ARRIVES!"
(Female guard to me) "Sir, don't listen to him, the officer is on his way."
(Me) "OK, and by the way I do have a concealed permit, but I don't need it for the glovebox. (showing the permit)
(Male guard storms off)
(Female guard says to me as the Port officer pulls up) "Don't mind him(older male guard), he's new".

Cop comes over, asks where weapon is, removes it and follows us through baggage offload to parking lot.
No problem at all.

However, he does ask me if I have a permit for it.
I say "I do but don't need one for glovebox carry in a snapped holster".
He says "Oh yeah". (a little shocking to me that a police officer didn't know this, but what the hey)
He puts the Beretta 92g in the glovebox, tips hat and takes off.

The end.

rsmithsss · December 10, 2005, 07:55 AM

by the way....we had a great time on the cruise.

joab · December 10, 2005, 08:14 AM

It may have temporarily slipped the real officer's mind that the issue was over a glove box gun.

I'd hate to think how different your day would have gone if the officer responding to a man with a gun came upon you with the gun in your hand.

It's also hard to imagine why a security officer would want anybody that they were detaining to be readily armed in the first place.

I've had similar but non gun related exchanges with back lot airport security officers

blume357 · December 10, 2005, 08:25 AM

At least somebody kept their cool....
somefolks need to get better training....
there was a thread on packing dot org last week about a guy who was in best buy and the 19 year old security guard saw his 'glock bulg' and assumed it was a store item... when the guy packing stepped off to the side and showed the guard it was a pistol the young dude tried to grab it... that's when the fun really began. Only good thing was the guard was not armed.

Oct_97 · December 10, 2005, 09:20 AM

IIRC it does not need be in any kind of holster while in the glovebox.

hksigwalther · December 10, 2005, 09:42 AM

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(Male Guard now alarmingly upset at both myself and his female supervisor) "THIS MAN WILL BE PLACED UNDER ARREST IMMEDIATELY IF HE IS NOT HOLDING THE GUN WHEN THE OFFICER ARRIVES!"

It's been my experience (and the experience of many others) that when some folks (not all) are given even a tiny bit of authority over other people, some will exercise it agressively and at times to the point of going beyond their autority, i.e. power trip. From law enforcement to the minimum wage clerk behind the counter. It is always good to see them get cut down once in a while, though, I have to admit.

Glock 31 · December 10, 2005, 09:56 AM

You see people with God complexes in the navy all the time. There was a Boatsain's Mate 3rd Class who was on internal rover watch on my ship. He was armed with the standard M9 Berreta. Instead of walking his post as he should have, he decided to get into an argument with another sailor. He promptly pulled out his sidearm and pointed it at the sailor gangbanger style. I am not mentioning his race or where he is from because it would be construed as racially profiling. Anyway, nothing happened and he was reported to the Master At Arms. For you non-navy savvy people that's the local sherrif for a naval ship. In the end, his punishment was that he was no longer permited to carry a weapon or stand watch.

If you think this is a good punishment you would be sadly mistaken. Watches are four hours long of straight standing. Noone wants to pull watch. And they ensured he would never have to stand watch again. This not only is a benefit for a lazy person such as he was, but it put an additional strain on his duty section who had to make up for the loss of watch standing capable personell. Which means someone got stuck with extra watch.

rsmithsss · December 10, 2005, 10:42 AM

Oct_97 IIRC it does not need be in any kind of holster while in the glovebox.

In the state of Florida it does.

HappyGunner · December 10, 2005, 11:10 AM

Was it also going on the cruise?

Oct_97 · December 10, 2005, 01:42 PM

Section 790.001(17) defines the term "securely encased" to mean "in a glove compartment, whether or not locked; snapped in a holster; in a gun case, whether or not locked; in a zippered gun case; or in a closed box or container which requires a lid or cover to be opened for access."

It may be carried in the glove compartment without a holster, please note the puncuation after "whether or not locked". You can even put it in a cigar box on the passengers seat if you so desire.

azurefly · December 10, 2005, 02:11 PM

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"Oct_97 IIRC it does not need be in any kind of holster while in the glovebox."

In the state of Florida it does.

To the best of my knowledge, Oct 97 is correct. A gun kept in a car by someone without a concealed weapon license need only be closed securely in something (the literature speaks of cases, boxes, glove compartments, etc., but seems to exclude purses since they are really intended to be carried about the person). It does not need to be locked, just snapped closed.

rsmithsss, thank you for an interesting story. Glad you knew your rights, the law, and how to handle these people.

P.S. that older male guard is an idiot and should lose his job over your incident alone. I hope you made a complaint to his superiors that he was ordering you, under threat of arrest, to do something that would have endangered your life and that of the other responding officers.

-azurefly

joab · December 10, 2005, 03:58 PM

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In the state of Florida it does.

Mine is kept unholstered in a zippered compartment of an over the seat truck organizer.
Similar to what cops use but in canvas.

No need for a holster if it in some sort of closed container.
It has to be in a holster if it is not in a seperate closed container

December 10, 2005, 07:32 AM	#1
rsmithsss Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 103	Going on a cruise=panicked security guard. True story! Hello all. Had a funny experience recently going on a cruise with the girlfriend. Pulled into the Port of Jax in Fla. and stopped at the security checkpoint. 2 male officers and 1 female officer, all unarmed. The younger of the 2 male officers asked if he could look around the vehicle. I said "sure". He pops the hatch in the rear of the SUV and sees a machete. (I forgot it was there from camping). "Are you planning on taking this on the ship?" he asks. "Nope, I forgot it was back there" I say. "OK" he says. No big deal so far. So then I figure that they may look a little more closely around the truck now, so I say to the older male and female by my window "By the way, I've got a handgun in the glovebox". The female says, "OK, just pull up ahead there into the coned area" (about 20 feet away, so they could continue to check in the cars behind us.) I did so and the older male and female came over while the younger male continued to check cars. Here's where the fun begins. (Older male speaking in a very harsh fashion) "Sir, you need to remove that gun from the glovebox while we call a Port police officer over here to check it out and escort you through the luggage offloading area and then to the parking lot. Do you have a permit for it?" (Me) "With all due respect sir, I'm not touching that gun, I'll wait for further instruction from the Port police officer and in the State of Florida a "permit" isn't needed to keep a gun in a snapped holster in a glovebox." (Older male highly agitated now) "You will remove that firearm or be arrested on the spot when he gets here! (Me, calmly) "No sir, I'm not going to be holding a loaded weapon when a police officer gets here. For THAT I could be arrested. As i said, I'll wait for instructions from the officer". (Female Guard says to Older male guard) "He's right he shouldn't touch the gun. He needs to let the officer do that. (Male Guard now alarmingly upset at both myself and his female supervisor) "THIS MAN WILL BE PLACED UNDER ARREST IMMEDIATELY IF HE IS NOT HOLDING THE GUN WHEN THE OFFICER ARRIVES!" (Female guard to me) "Sir, don't listen to him, the officer is on his way." (Me) "OK, and by the way I do have a concealed permit, but I don't need it for the glovebox. (showing the permit) (Male guard storms off) (Female guard says to me as the Port officer pulls up) "Don't mind him(older male guard), he's new". Cop comes over, asks where weapon is, removes it and follows us through baggage offload to parking lot. No problem at all. However, he does ask me if I have a permit for it. I say "I do but don't need one for glovebox carry in a snapped holster". He says "Oh yeah". (a little shocking to me that a police officer didn't know this, but what the hey) He puts the Beretta 92g in the glovebox, tips hat and takes off. The end. __________________ I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it. Beretta 92G 9mm SW1911PD .45 Ruger Security Six 6" .357 Ruger P345 .45ACP Romanian WASR-10 AK47 Benelli Super Black Eagle 12ga SS SW LS60 .357 Ruger .22 Race Rifle LE Kel-Tec P3AT .380 Benelli B76 9mm Remington 870 Tactical Green Sig 229SL-no rail

December 10, 2005, 07:55 AM	#2
rsmithsss Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 103	by the way....we had a great time on the cruise. __________________ I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it. Beretta 92G 9mm SW1911PD .45 Ruger Security Six 6" .357 Ruger P345 .45ACP Romanian WASR-10 AK47 Benelli Super Black Eagle 12ga SS SW LS60 .357 Ruger .22 Race Rifle LE Kel-Tec P3AT .380 Benelli B76 9mm Remington 870 Tactical Green Sig 229SL-no rail

December 10, 2005, 08:14 AM	#3
joab Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2002 Location: Orl Fla Posts: 3,254	It may have temporarily slipped the real officer's mind that the issue was over a glove box gun. I'd hate to think how different your day would have gone if the officer responding to a man with a gun came upon you with the gun in your hand. It's also hard to imagine why a security officer would want anybody that they were detaining to be readily armed in the first place. I've had similar but non gun related exchanges with back lot airport security officers __________________ Joab the Bugman Founding member- Lords of Pomposity It's a Yankee Doodle thing

December 10, 2005, 08:25 AM	#4
blume357 Senior Member Join Date: August 2, 2005 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 3,156	Renta Cops.. At least somebody kept their cool.... somefolks need to get better training.... there was a thread on packing dot org last week about a guy who was in best buy and the 19 year old security guard saw his 'glock bulg' and assumed it was a store item... when the guy packing stepped off to the side and showed the guard it was a pistol the young dude tried to grab it... that's when the fun really began. Only good thing was the guard was not armed.

December 10, 2005, 09:56 AM	#7
Glock 31 Senior Member Join Date: October 30, 2005 Location: Desert of the wild west. Posts: 537	You see people with God complexes in the navy all the time. There was a Boatsain's Mate 3rd Class who was on internal rover watch on my ship. He was armed with the standard M9 Berreta. Instead of walking his post as he should have, he decided to get into an argument with another sailor. He promptly pulled out his sidearm and pointed it at the sailor gangbanger style. I am not mentioning his race or where he is from because it would be construed as racially profiling. Anyway, nothing happened and he was reported to the Master At Arms. For you non-navy savvy people that's the local sherrif for a naval ship. In the end, his punishment was that he was no longer permited to carry a weapon or stand watch. If you think this is a good punishment you would be sadly mistaken. Watches are four hours long of straight standing. Noone wants to pull watch. And they ensured he would never have to stand watch again. This not only is a benefit for a lazy person such as he was, but it put an additional strain on his duty section who had to make up for the loss of watch standing capable personell. Which means someone got stuck with extra watch. __________________ *Dragon Shadowlaw (Glock 31)* Est Sularus oth Mithas We are Glock, we are many.

December 10, 2005, 09:20 AM	#5
Oct_97 Member Join Date: June 17, 2004 Posts: 29	IIRC it does not need be in any kind of holster while in the glovebox.

December 10, 2005, 10:42 AM	#8
rsmithsss Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 103	Oct_97 IIRC it does not need be in any kind of holster while in the glovebox. In the state of Florida it does. __________________ I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it. Beretta 92G 9mm SW1911PD .45 Ruger Security Six 6" .357 Ruger P345 .45ACP Romanian WASR-10 AK47 Benelli Super Black Eagle 12ga SS SW LS60 .357 Ruger .22 Race Rifle LE Kel-Tec P3AT .380 Benelli B76 9mm Remington 870 Tactical Green Sig 229SL-no rail

December 10, 2005, 11:10 AM	#9
HappyGunner Senior Member Join Date: September 18, 2004 Posts: 1,303	You'r Truck? Was it also going on the cruise?

December 10, 2005, 01:42 PM	#10
Oct_97 Member Join Date: June 17, 2004 Posts: 29	Section 790.001(17) defines the term "securely encased" to mean "in a glove compartment, whether or not locked; snapped in a holster; in a gun case, whether or not locked; in a zippered gun case; or in a closed box or container which requires a lid or cover to be opened for access." It may be carried in the glove compartment without a holster, please note the puncuation after "whether or not locked". You can even put it in a cigar box on the passengers seat if you so desire.