NOPD & Hurricane Katrina: after action review

[TheeBadOne]

Hell in High Water
by David Griffith

About 24 hours before Hurricane Katrina struck
the Gulf Coast Capt. John Bryson of the New
Orleans Police Department was in a McDonald’s in the city’s Ninth Ward buying a cup of coffee. Next to him in line was a woman and her four children; the youngest was a one-year-old baby.
Bryson spend the next few minutes making a futile attempt to persuade
this lady to evacuate. “I begged her to leave”, says Bryson, commander of the NOPD’s Fifth District, which encompasses the Ninth Ward and the Lower Ninth Ward.
She dismissed Bryson’s concern with tragic diffidence. “She told me it was going to miss us”, he says.
“I told her, “This is a killer storm. So please
do us a favor. Write your name. Social Security number
and an emergency contact
number on your arm and on your
children’s arms. There’s a strong possibility
that none of you will survive it.’ She
looked at me disbelieving. I said, ‘Ma’am,
this is a killer storm.’” ~
Bryson doesn’t know what happened
to the lady in the McDonald’s. He prays
that she and her babies made it out alive.
But more than a month later in a phone
interview, he doesn’t know. And he fears
they may be among the “HRs” (human
remains) that the New Orleans police are
still recovering from his district.

Prelude to Disaster

The U.S. Weather Service will tell you
that Hurricane Katrina made landfall in
the lower Mississippi delta town of
Buras, La„ at 7 a.m. Central Standard

Time on Monday Aug. 29.
That statement does nothing to convey
how big the storm was, how well
formed, and how much damage the outer
bands of a Category 4 hurricane can do
long before the eye comes ashore. If you
want information on that, talk to the cops
who were out in the streets trying to get
people to head to higher ground as the
storm intensified around them.
In the Fifth District of New Orleans,
the men and women under Bryson’s
command spent Saturday and Sunday
trying to get people to evacuate. But very
early Monday morning, Bryson knew
that mission was over.
“I was driving down the street in an
Expedition at 1:30 that morning, and the
wind was hitting the side so hard that I
was on two wheels,” says Bryson. “I almost
flipped over, and I knew it was time
to get my people off the streets.”
Bryson had a hard time getting his Officers
to obey his orders to come in. They
were too busy trying to evacuate people.
“It was three in the morning, we had 135
mph sustained winds and the water was
rising, and I was begging my officers to
come off the street.”
Elsewhere in the Big Easy, a variety of
NOPD units were sheltering in predesignated
positions, waiting for the storm to
pass or at least decrease in intensity so that
they could move out to respond to the disaster.
The tactical team and its critical
equipment, including the personally
owned boats of some officers, took cover
in an elevated parking deck in the down-
town area, the chief’s staff was in the
Hyatt-Regency Hotel across from the.
Louisiana Super Dome where some 30,000 “
people had already sought shelter, and the :
vice and narcotics division had moved its
officers to the Maison Dupuy Hotel.
Before the storm had completely ‘=
passed, a detachment of Capt. Jeffrey ,
Winn’s tactical team braved the high
winds and blistering rain to recon the
area. They came back with reports of debris-filled
streets and rising water.

The Bywater Hospital

The tac team’s report was old news to “
Bryson. When he called his officers off .
the street at 3 a.m. Monday, they regrouped
at the nearby Bywater Hospital
to ride out the storm. The hospital was
supposed to have been evacuated. But
Bryson and his Fifth District officers were
in for a surprise.
There was a long-term care facility on
the third floor and 49 patients still had to
be evacuated. When the electricity went
down, those patients were in trouble.
“We had a generator there that we
were told would last at least seven days
before it ran out of diesel,” Bryson says.
“The hurricane knocked out the electricity and,
then about 2 a.m., the generator
went under water and that took it out.”
No power meant that patients in the
long-term care facility who were on respirators
had to be bagged. NOPD officers
and nurses took turns bagging those patients
for as long as 12 hours before they
could be evacuated.
Throughout the storm and into the
morning, Fifth District officers worked to .
evacuate the patients. The operation was
conducted in the dark using flashlights
and candles. They had to move the patients,
some of whom weighed as much
as 450 pounds, down three flights of stairs and
Through the ground floor of the hospital, which was flooded.
Carrying people through three feet of
floodwater is not pleasant. It was even
nastier at the Bywater Hospital, where the
rising waters knocked over bio-hazard
containers filled with used needles,
bloody gauze, dirty bandages, and other
biomedical waste. Six officers involved in
the Bywater evacuation contracted sever
staph infection.

We Need Boats
By 9 a.m, Monday, the worst of the
winds had passed. The flood was just
beginning.
What was left of the NOPD’s communication system crackled with urgent requests for aid from Capt. Bryson. The
Ninth Ward and the Lower Ninth were
flooded and people were scrambling onto
their rooftops to escape the rising waters.
The tactical team started to respond to
the call. They were joined by the officers
of the vice and narcotics division who
had no specific mission and were operat-
ing independently, scrounging for equip-
ment and vehicles throughout the un-
flooded portions of the city.
“We knew we had water and that we
were in trouble,” says Capt. Tim Bayard,
commander of the narcotics and vice division.
“So I sent my guys out in their
trucks to take the trailer balls off any
truck they saw with a trailer ball. Then
we went out and got boats.”
Tile tactical team and the narcotics and
vice officers rallied at Harrah’s Casino on
the high ground on the banks of the Mississippi River.
They made the casino their
operations center. Then they set out to
make boat rescues in the Ninth Ward.
But first, they had to find a route into
the Ward through city streets that were
blocked with rubble and fallen trees. Debris
had to be chainsawed out of the way
and large trees had to be towed off the
road by trucks with chains.
On the ramps leading down from Interstate 10,
the tac team and the narcotics
officers launched their boats. Once in the
water, the officers navigated their craft
down flooded streets, steering around debris
and sunken vehicles. It was in a
word, hairy.
It was even hairier when they got to
the Ninth Ward. “It was very, very bad,”
says Winn, “Our guys had to
cut through rooftops to get to
people. We destroyed seven or
eight chainsaws in the first day
cutting through roofs.”
The officers, firefighters, and
civilians who were involved in
the boat rescues in the Ninth
Ward had to do a lot more than
just float up to a house and
help people into a boat. Many
of the people they were rescu-
ing wouldn’t or couldn’t swim,
and they would not get in the water to
board the boats.
So the emergency personnel on the
boats had to jump in the water and
swim the hurricane victims to safety.
NOPD tactical officers even had to swim
underwater to breach one dwelling,
then bring the family through that underwater
doorway, back up to the surface,
and into the boats.
The boat rescues continued for about
13 days, running even at night through
the darkened and dangerous streets. Officers
used large hunting Q beams and
their personal flashlights to illuminate
the operations.
A month later, Bayard marvels at what
his narcotics and vice officers were able
to accomplish. “What we knew about
boat rescue operations you could fit in a
thimble,” Bayard says. “We didn’t know
anything about that. We had never done
it before. But we knew we had to do it to
save people.”

(part 2 to follow)

[TheeBadOne]

All Hell Breaks Loose
Before, during, and after the storm, the
NOPD had to cope with looting. After the
storm and the flooding, it got a lot worse.
Desperate people broke into
convience and grocery stores looking for food,
water, diapers, and medications. Hoodlims looted firearms, home entertainment, and jewelry stores.
Bryson and his Fifth District officers
pulled back from the Ninth Ward after a
nearly 23-hour shift. They stopped for a
brief respite at the Port of Embarkation, a
U.S. Naval base, then they moved to the
Sheraton Hotel on Canal Street.
“We thought we were going to get to
the hotel and be able to get some down
time,” says Bryson. “But the minute we
hit Canal Street, it was a mess. There was
looting everywhere.”
Bryson’s officers immediately shifted
gears from evacuation and rescue to looting
suppression. “We didn’t stop them
from taking food,” Bryson says. “But if
we saw them coming out of Foot Locker
with a bag of tennis shoes, then we took
that and ran them up the street.”
One of the problems that the NOPD
faced with the looting after Hurricane Katrina
was that it really couldn’t make any
arrests. The municipal holding facilities
and the Orleans Parish jails were either
inaccessible or flooded. All they could do
was take the names and addresses of suspected
footers, and tell them that they
could be served warrants for looting some
time in the future.

Sniper Fire
Looting was only part of the mayhem
that erupted in the Big Easy’s streets after
Katmia. Snipers and other shooters start-
ed firing on civilian rescue teams, fire-
fighters, and police.
The result was a loss of assets for the
rescue teams. Civilian boaters and fire-
fighters had to pull back. The NOPD’s tactical
team had to repurpose from search
and rescue to sniper suppression.
Tac team commander Winn will not
give much detail of the counter-sniper actions
that his men executed in the days
immediately after Katrina. The incidents
are all still under investigation.
He did, however, draw some skeletal
outlines of some of these operations that
anyone with an imagination can flesh out.
Snipers fired at emergency vehicles
on the interstate. The tac team was
tasked to provide escort. Snipers shot at
repair crews trying to bring a critical cell
tower back on line. The tac team entered
a 300-unit, multi-story apartment
complex and arrested two suspects.
“I can’t really tell you what happened,”
says Winn. “The situation that
followed the hurricane was a lawless situation.
A very small part of the community was involved,
but some people armed themselves and started to conduct crimial activity.”
Narcotics and vice commander Bayard is less diplomatic in expressing his feelings about the snipers. “Just knuckle-heads,” he says with disgust.
“These are the kinds of people that we deal with on
a daily basis. In a time of crisis we had
guys who were rescuing people and the knuckleheads pulled guns on the rescuers”.

Rescued Then Stranded
Throughout the week following Hurricane
Katrina and the subsequent flooding,
NOPD officers, firefighters, civilians,
and soldiers from the U.S. Army’s 20th
Special Forces performed boat rescues in
the Ninth Ward. They transported the
people they rescued back to the boat
launch point on Interstate 10.
And there, the rescued people waited.
Exposed to the elements. No food. No
water. No medical assistance. Tempera-
tures reaching near 100. Humidity almost
as high.
“We were moving a lot of people to
safe ground,” says Bayard. “But we didn’t
have anything that we could use to
transport them to the evacuation sites.
So we had people backed up 14 and 16
hours waiting on the interstate. It was
frustrating. The people we rescued the
previous evening were still there the next
day when we launched the boats.”
The problem was that very few vehicles
were available to transport the evacuees
from 1-10 to the evacuee centers at
the Super Dome or the Convention Center.
Most of the NOPD’s fleet of vehicles
was either drowned or inaccessible. City
buses were flooded downtown and more
than 60 school buses were under water
in visual range of the overpass where the
evacuees were gathered.
“The worst thing I saw,” says Winn,
“was there were 10,000 people walking
on Interstate 10 trying to get to the Convention
Center. Everything they owned
was on their backs or in plastic bags.”

At the Dome
Even if those evacuees on Interstate 10
had reached the Convention Center or
the Super Dome, they wouldn’t have
found any relief. Neither location had
running water, food, or light, and the
buildings were sweatboxes without air
conditioning.
NOPD spokesman Officer Roland
Doucett worked at the Louisiana Super
Dome. He saw things there that still
haunt him. The worst came during the
evacuation of the building.
“It was horrifying,” Doucett says. “The
military set up barricades at the parking
area of the dome. They would open up
the gates and let out just enough people
to fit a bus. So because of the pushing and
shoving of the people who desperately
wanted to get out, parents would be separated
from their children.”
Doucett says he can’t even describe the
conditions at the dome that the evacuees
experienced or what it was like to work
under those conditions. “I remember the
kids and the old people most, he says.
“There were old people in wheelchairs at
the dome. And they couldn’t get out of
their chairs to urinate or defecate. So they
sat for days in their own feces. When we
evacuated them onto the buses, we had
to pick them up. So you can imagine
what we smelled like.”

A Physical Toll
Like the rest of the NOPD working in
the immediate aftermath of Hurricane
Katrina, the only means that Doucett had
to clean himself was with bottled water.
Even though officers were living in luxury hotels,
there was no running water,
and no showers. Some bathed in hotel
swimming pools and hot tubs, which
quickly became fouled because there was
no electricity to run their filters.
The lack of facilities for personal hygiene
was only one of the hardships the
officers faced. They worked 12- and 14-
hour days with little rest and little food
for nearly two weeks. “We worked 13
days in a row,” says Bayard. “When we
got off, we were fried.”
Some officers were even more “fried”
than others. “I didn’t know my name by
Friday,” says Bryson, who was hospitalized
with dehydration, exhaustion, and
sleep deprivation. “They wanted to keep
me for three days. We compromised at 12
hours and an IV.”
It’s not an exaggeration to say that the
officers of the New Orleans Police Department
went through hell in the immediate
aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. But
they fought back; they struggled against
the elements; theybattled criminals; they
overcame their own exhaustion; and
they rescued many people.
“What you need to understand about
Katrina is it was both a police officer’s
dream and a police officer’s nightmare,”
says Bryson, “It was a dream because we
were saving lives and fighting criminals
and that’s why we got in to this career.
And it was a nightmare because so many
people suffered, and it was relentless, and
we couldn’t help them.

[Wildcard]

Looting:
http://www.zippyvideos.com/891102377...ng-in-walmart/

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/29/nopd.looting/

Civil Rights Abuse:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1540993/posts

And the big one:

by Dave Workman
Senior Editor

The National Rifle Association (NRA) and Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) marched into federal court last month in Baton Rouge, LA, and came out with a stunning victory that put a stop to gun confiscations by police and National Guard units brought in to restore order to New Orleans and surrounding parishes in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.

A lawsuit filed in US District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana successfully won a temporary restraining order (TRO), signed by Judge Jay Zainey. The order required an end to the seizures, and also the prompt return of confiscated firearms.

The victory came as a prelude to the 20th annual Gun Rights Policy Conference (GRPC) in Los Angeles—coverage of which will begin in the Oct. 20 Gun Week—and dominated discussions there.

SAF founder Alan Gottlieb called the judge’s order “a great victory, not just for the NRA and SAF, but primarily for law-abiding gunowners everywhere.”

“We are proud to have joined forces with the NRA to put an end to what has amounted to a warrantless gun grab by authorities in New Orleans and surrounding jurisdictions,” Gottlieb said.

NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre told Gun Week that the decision “sends a strong signal that if anybody dares confiscation, they will find themselves in court.”

LaPierre was visibly angry about the gun seizures.

“For the first time in America, peaceable citizens who were trying to protect themselves from looters, were disarmed at gun point,” he stressed.

He accused New Orleans authorities of “participating in the theft of property.”

Gun Week learned that almost immediately after Zainey issued the TRO, the sheriff in St. Tammany Parish announced he would return all confiscated guns. Firearms were reportedly returned to Buell O. Teel, one of the individual plaintiffs in the lawsuit.

Gunowners across the nation became furious when police—many of them from outside jurisdictions who had come to the Crescent City to help restore order—and National Guardsmen began confiscating guns after New Orleans Police Chief P. Edwin Compass III told reporters, “Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons,” and ABC News quoted Deputy Police Chief Warren Riley stating, “No one will be able to be armed. We are going to take all the weapons.”

In court documents, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, Compass and another defendant, St. Tammany Sheriff Jack Strain, denied they had ordered the firearms seizures. However, statements by Compass and Riley were enough to counter that claim.

When word got out from the New Orleans area that guns were being confiscated, Gottlieb immediately demanded an explanation.

“Our inquiries about these confiscations were cavalierly ignored,” he said, “as were our demands for a public explanation from the police and city officials about why citizens were being unlawfully disarmed, leaving them defenseless against lingering bands of looters and thugs.”

Working with Virginia attorney Stephen Halbrook, a nationally-recognized Second Amendment expert, Baton Rouge attorney Daniel Holliday, NRA and SAF sent investigators into the storm-ravaged New Orleans area to find and contact citizens whose guns had been confiscated. In the process, investigators discovered that citizens whose firearms had been taken were not being given receipts for their property, thus creating a situation where it could be almost impossible for many gunowners to ever recover their guns because they might be unable to verify ownership.

Gun Week learned of one man who had 14 firearms seized, apparently by St. Tammany officers and National Guardsmen. This individual apparently was given a receipt, and was allegedly told that he would get his guns back, “hopefully in two to three months.”

The man subsequently contacted a New Orleans police officer who apparently told him that St. Tammany officers had no jurisdiction in New Orleans, nor any right to seize his firearms. When the man then contacted St. Tammany police, demanding the return of his firearms, authorities allegedly refused.

Both SAF and NRA had condemned what amounted to the warrantless searches of residences, and in a couple of cases, boats on Lake Pontchartrain, and seizures of all firearms. Incredibly, in at least one case caught on film by an ABC News camera crew, soldiers with the visiting Oklahoma National Guard placed two people in handcuffs, took their firearms, and then released them to remain in the city, which at the time was in chaos, with gangs of roving thugs, and packs of hungry dogs posing equal dangers.

In that video, a guardsman identified as Fred Bible, observed, “It’s surreal. You never expect to do this in your own country.” In another scene, guardsman Chris Montgomery acknowledged that he was uncomfortable with the prospect that he might have to open fire on an American citizen as his unit was trying to force people to evacuate.

As word of the confiscations spread, gun rights activists flooded Internet chat groups with comments ranging from disbelief to disgust. A few opined that gun rights organizations like SAF and NRA had been vindicated after years of warnings that arbitrary gun confiscations could happen in emergency situations, leaving people defenseless.

The joint NRA-SAF investigation discovered one incident involving Teel, a resident of St. Tammany Parish, whose boat was boarded twice on Lake Pontchartrain, when he was working for the Pala Interstate Company in an effort to find an open path from the north shore of the lake to the New Orleans Industrial Canal.

He was stopped by a St. Tammany Parish Sheriff’s patrol boat, and in his affidavit, he asserted that there were five officers on board, four in uniform, and that they identified themselves as members of the New York First Response Team assigned to St. Tammany Parish. Gun Week has learned that about 180 New York City police officers had traveled to the area following the hurricane to help put down the anarchy and looting that followed.

Teel said that the officers asked whether there were firearms aboard, and he told them that he had two rifles, a Browning chambered in .270 Winchester and a Savage chambered in 7mm Magnum. While two of the New York officers kept him covered with rifles, two other officers boarded his boat, searched it and took Teel’s rifles, while the fifth man refused to give him a receipt for the guns. They only told him the guns would be taken to the St. Tammany Parish courthouse where he could get them later.

The officers apparently told Teel the guns were being seized under cover of some Parish ordinance, but he does not recall a specific cite.

In only one case where firearms were taken was there apparently a warrant issued, and that was in the case of a search, conducted by agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). In that case, ATF took guns that were part of a collection of World War I and World War II military firearms, and subsequently advised the owner where the guns were, and that they would be returned to him promptly when he is able to either return to his home or establish some other residence and storage accommodations.

None of the other seizures, including the one filmed by ABC News and another caught on film by a news team from KTVU in San Francisco, apparently were done with the benefit of a warrant. The KTVU news footage has become infamous, because it shows members of the California Highway Patrol, working with Louisiana State Police, going into the home of a woman identified as Patricia Konie.

Armed with a small-caliber revolver, Konie asked the officers to leave her home. Instead, she was tackled by two of them and disarmed, then led from the house, put on a military truck and taken to the New Orleans Convention Center—scene of reported rapes and murders—for evacuation. Her current whereabouts is still unknown as this issue goes to press.

Both Gottlieb and LaPierre told Gun Week that the situation was so outrageous that they had no alternative to taking direct action.

“New Orleans officials left us with no recourse,” Gottlieb observed. “It was bad enough that Big Easy residents were victims of the worst natural disaster in the nation’s history. That they would be subsequently victimized by their own local government, taking their personal property without warrant, is unconscionable.”

“At a time of chaos,” LaPierre noted, “the very underpinning of a citizen’s right to survive (was seized). . . . The last time law-abiding citizens were disarmed, it was done by King George, and that didn’t work for him, either.”

http://www.gunweek.com/2005/neworleans1010.html

[Wildcard]

Complaint alleges police abuse

Agency: BR officers 'stunned' innocent people, struck handcuffed suspects

By PENNY BROWN ROBERTS
pcourreges@theadvocate.com
Advocate staff writer

Baton Rouge Police officers shot innocent people with stun guns, struck handcuffed suspects and damaged personal property, a complaint filed by an out-of-state law-enforcement agency alleges.

A New Mexico State Police official on Monday confirmed troopers refused to work post-Hurricane Katrina duty with Baton Rouge Police officers after witnessing incidents they concluded "could lead to criminal charges."

New Mexico Department of Public Safety Communications Director Peter Olson also said the agency is taking its complaints to the U.S. Department of Justice for further investigation.

"Obviously, it was serious enough to cause the commander to make a decision to leave Baton Rouge quickly," Olson said. "It was totally foreign behavior to us. State Police hold ourselves to very high standards, and we expect all of law enforcement to live up to the same standards. When that doesn't seem to be something that's part of the job, it's very disconcerting to the officers."

New Mexico State Police and Michigan State Police refused to work post-hurricane duty with the Baton Rouge Police Department after just two days of patrols in early September. Both agencies filed complaints with Louisiana authorities alleging misconduct.

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They were among four out-of-state agencies who patrolled the city just after Hurricane Katrina hammered the Gulf Coast on Aug. 29. The storm forced the evacuation of hundreds of thousands of New Orleanians and other southeast Louisiana residents, many of them to Baton Rouge.

The alleged incidents reportedly occurred on Sept. 9 and Sept. 10.

The two agencies previously have declined to discuss the events in detail. But Olson said New Mexico State Police decided to go public because "there was so much speculation and guessing going on. We felt it was important that we tell the story that we knew to try and calm some of those fears."

His comments come just one week after Baton Rouge Police Chief Jeff LeDuff said an internal investigation found some officers violated policies and procedures but did not break the law. He said the agency is set to begin predisciplinary hearings.

LeDuff said Monday he stands by that statement.

"From our very first statements on this investigation over a month ago, we said it did not appear to uncover any violations of law, and I stand by that," LeDuff said. "I still believe what we have here are policy violations."

Olson said he doesn't know the exact number of allegations in New Mexico's complaint against the Baton Rouge Police Department, but that "there were many incidents under those broad categories."

He said the allegations were reported after the first day of patrols to the commanding officer, Maj. Daniel Lopez, who heads the Criminal Investigations Division based in Santa Fe, N.M.

Among the complaints: Baton Rouge police officers fired Tasers at people who were never taken into custody, punched suspects after they had been handcuffed and damaged cars and other personal property.

"I do know that the first day these incidents were reported to the commanding officer, the commanding officer was sort of in a state of denial or shock," Olson said. "He thought maybe they were just embellishments. But when they continued on the second shift, he decided, 'No, these are serious matters that are outside what our training and professionalism allows, and we're not going to participate any longer.' That's when he moved the volunteers back to New Orleans."

Olson wouldn't say whether he thinks the New Mexico State Police complaint was taken seriously, but he did say the agency "is working" on submitting a report to federal authorities.

"Anytime anybody is in handcuffs and is struck by anything, it is serious and is treated as such in New Mexico," Olson said. "We do use Tasers in New Mexico, but you don't just go around shooting people."

LeDuff confirmed that one of the allegations against his department does involve the use of a Taser, but said the investigation found "it was consistent with the policies and procedures of our department. The person who was 'tased' was arrested and charged."

The chief added that he would "definitely consider the use of a Taser on an innocent bystander to be a criminal violation."

The Baton Rouge Police Department began using Taser X-26s in June. The weapons look like a small gun and use air cartridges to fire two probes up to 21 feet. The probes have fish hooks on the ends that attach to the skin and, for five seconds, hold the person motionless with pain as electricity shoots through the body.

The Tasers contain computers that record the day and time they've been shot and the duration of the shot. The weapon also emits confetti each time it is fired.

"We are still moving into the final phase of this investigation," LeDuff said. "We have conducted a complete and thorough investigation of all the complaints, and as soon as we finish, we will be able to discuss the whole of this investigation. At this point, there is nothing criminal."

Michigan State Police Maj. Anthony Gomez, who previously has said his troopers "were exposed to situations where, if they were to occur in Michigan, would rise to the level of misconduct," could not be reached Monday afternoon for comment.

But Olson said Monday, "It does sound like some of the allegations could lead to criminal charges."

"I think that time there was very stressful for everybody," Olson said. "I hope these were just isolated events and isolated people."
http://www.2theadvocate.com/stories/...abuse001.shtml

[TheeBadOne]

[Wildcard]

NO hijack, just giving the other side of New Orleans.

[hammer4nc]

So TBO, this is your idea of an after-action report (this coming from a self-proclaimed "police professional", you must have to write after-action reports frequently)?

I see a scattered narrative, appeal to emotion, no citation as to source... just who IS the source here? And please don't tell me you're offering the editor of "police" magazine, as the authoritative source on Katrina incidents? Esp. seeing how police misconduct is a major issue in this case?

You've been quick with accusations and nit-picking other members posts...for these very issues, yet this latest of yours.... However, because I am unbiased, I'll await your response to these direct questions before forming a final conclusion as to the purpose of this thread. Your chance to shine. Thanks in advance.

[TheeBadOne]

So TBO, this is your idea of an after-action report (this coming from a self-proclaimed "police professional" (source?) , you must have to write after-action reports frequently)?

I see a scattered narrative, appeal to emotion, no citation as to source... just who IS the source here? And please don't tell me you're offering the editor of "police" magazine, as the authoritative source on Katrina incidents? Esp. seeing how police misconduct is a major issue in this case? (I like how you quickly dismiss "Police Mag" as a source of info. God forbid professionals with experience be referenced....better to go with the known "Anti-LEO" sources [some of which Wildcard likes, but you give him a pass on that..] ).

You've been quick with accusations and nit-picking other members posts...for these very issues, yet this latest of yours....



However, because I am unbiased, I'll await your response to these direct questions before forming a final conclusion as to the purpose of this thread. Your chance to shine. Thanks in advance.

"Unbiased"?

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...24#post1373924

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...77#post1208077

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...85#post1166085

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...76#post1147676

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...41#post1684041

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...92#post2099092

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...13#post2085313

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...69#post1947469

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...32#post1735132

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...67#post1726967

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...48#post1719748

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...81#post1652781

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost....4&postcount=53

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=54340

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=44279

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...3871#post43871

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...1074#post41074

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...9690#post69690

[hammer4nc]

Thanks for the well-thought-out rebuttal, TBO... You continue to be a real credit to your profession.

Guess it was a little too much to expect actual discussion on a topic, as opposed to the standard single word reply, emoticons, or cut/paste cartoon postings that you favor, eh?

Hey, you forgot to post the Webster's dictionary definition, complete with pronunciation guide, or the animated troll graphic you use so often over on glocktalk.com. Those are especially entertaining comebacks...maybe next time.

[TheeBadOne]

Don't ask the question if you don't like the answer.

I did reply to your questions (read my reply again), and since you claimed to be "unbiased" I merely pointed out the opposite to you.

Don't like it? Then don't claim to be something you're not, don't make statements/claims that are easily refuted.

Bottom line, don't blame me, look inside yourself.

All the best

TBO