Fn P90 Vs Hk Mp7 Poll

czc3513 · February 1, 2006, 06:59 AM

vote

trigger happy · February 1, 2006, 07:51 AM

really tough call

OBIWAN · February 1, 2006, 08:12 AM

I have seen comments from more than one person that had T&E'd both

They all preferred the HK.....

But they had little (read specialized) use for either one

I still want one....don't know why

Optical Serenity · February 1, 2006, 09:23 AM

I really wouldn't be unhappy having either weapon. I would certainly pick the HK though.

psycho nut · February 1, 2006, 06:28 PM

I do not know.

Tough call.

gbran · February 1, 2006, 11:58 PM

bermo61 · February 2, 2006, 12:11 AM

I have never cared for the looks of the FN but I know they make excellent products. Hk is a great company and I am very familiar with their products.
HK all the way.

**Antipitas** · February 2, 2006, 12:28 AM

I'll take a side of P90.

czc3513 · February 2, 2006, 06:00 AM

I dont understand why the FN P90 is so popular.
It is too big to be a personal defense weapon for non-combatants IMO.
The HK MP7's size is just right IMO and I like the company more.
Yet, I dont see them on TV like I do the P90s.
voted HK MP7

I actually liked the TMP more before steyr stopped making them.

Lord_Nikon · February 2, 2006, 08:41 PM

The P90 makes a better TV weapon because it's recognizably a firearm, but it isn't of typical/traditional design or layout.

And Brugger + Thomet is making the TMP, but as the MP-7.

hksigwalther · February 2, 2006, 09:08 PM

Toss up for me too. Have more experience with HK products but from an Engineering standpoint, the FN's loading system is intriguing.

utaherrn · February 2, 2006, 09:24 PM

FN makes a civilian version of the P90, called the PS90, with a 16.1" bbl and 30rd mags.

HK doesn't make a civilian version of the UMP, G-36 or the MP-7, let alone the HK-94, HK-91, etc. anymore.

Sounds like FN wants my business and HK cares only about LEO/Gov't contracts. Guess what I'll buy when the time comes?

FirstFreedom · February 2, 2006, 10:09 PM

In civi versions, neither. In LEO versions, P90 - hard to beat 50 rounds of full-auto controllable firepower.

Fal 4 Me · February 2, 2006, 10:13 PM

According to the latest Shotgun News, the magazine on the PS90 is the same as the magazine on the P90, only the follower is larger. According to them trimming the follower is all you have to do to convert it to a 50 rounder instead of the 30.

My vote goes to the FN.

O.F.Fascist · February 3, 2006, 04:53 AM

FN P90.

Atleast FN is willing to do business with us civillians.

FirearmFan · February 3, 2006, 09:47 AM

The only law enforcement group I have seen with the P90 is the Secret Service. Saw a photo of some swat guys around the white house with them. Also saw video of a law enforcement officer in New Orleans during the flood with one. Not sure who he was with.

I heard they both penetrate body armor well. I'm an Hk fan but in this case it seems to be a toss up.

JohnBrowning · February 3, 2006, 12:32 PM

If the NFA didn't exist and I could actually have one of those, I'd probably opt to cut down an 870 instead. Or maybe I'd get a shorty AK if rifle velocity was a must. I just can't stand the idea of using that small of a projectile when something bigger is available. However, I am NOT saying I wouldn't enjoy owning either or both if it was legal. Those look like they have to be so much fun to shoot.

Optical Serenity · February 3, 2006, 01:58 PM

OF Fascist,
The reason HK sometimes shies away from civie sales is because of all the hoops and hurdles to jump over...and the very small market. Most people don't want / can't afford these type guns...

**Marko Kloos** · February 3, 2006, 02:04 PM

Mmmm-hmmm. That's why they deliberately designed their semi-auto "sporter" G36, the SL8-1, so that it couldn't ever accept 30-round G36 magazines, even after an eventual AWB sunset. Oddly enough, the European SL8 was left with its magazine well and receiver unscalloped, so European customers can use regular G36 mags.

IndianaDean · February 3, 2006, 10:35 PM

I just noticed tonight that Stargate:Atlantis is using the FN.

O.F.Fascist · February 3, 2006, 10:51 PM

Optical Serenity:

Quote:

The reason HK sometimes shies away from civie sales is because of all the hoops and hurdles to jump over...and the very small market. Most people don't want / can't afford these type guns...

FN seems to think otherwise.

CobrayCommando · February 3, 2006, 11:01 PM

The P90 doesn't make any sense at all to me... You can't wear it in a thigh or across the chest holster like you can with the MP7, so it has little use as a PDW for someone like a cook or high ranking officer, and its horribly underpowered for use by a truck driver or something who could just use an M4. Its too big for a pilot to use, except a blackhawk pilot who once again could simply use an M4. As much as I have lukewarm feelings for the M4 its still a huge step up from the P90 considering both are what I consider full size. Same goes for the MP5, underpowered for its size.

I think guns like the MP7, MP5K, BXP, and MACs and TMP still have a place because they're small enough to be easily concealed by someone like a bodyguard, and small enough to go into a holster and be used as a PDW.

Full size submachineguns have some very, very limited roles to fill.

czc3513 · February 6, 2006, 05:29 AM

My thaughts exactly CobrayCommando.

Weeg · February 6, 2006, 05:40 AM

HK all the way...But I've worked with and shot MP5's for so long that I'm sold on them

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Stiletto · February 6, 2006, 01:28 PM

PS90 takes standard P90 magazines. I don't even know that anyone sells the 30-rounders outside of the retail kit.

I voted P90.

View Poll Results: Which one do you like the most?
FN P90	39	53.42%
HK MP7	34	46.58%
Voters: 73. You may not vote on this poll

February 1, 2006, 07:51 AM	#2
trigger happy Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2006 Location: Atlanta Posts: 683	really tough call __________________ "You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass" Admiral Yamamoto "You have enemies ? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life" Winston Churchill

February 1, 2006, 09:23 AM	#4
Optical Serenity Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 514	I really wouldn't be unhappy having either weapon. I would certainly pick the HK though. __________________ Blackhole Forums Discuss Current Events, Read News, Politics, Survival.

February 1, 2006, 06:28 PM	#5
psycho nut Senior Member Join Date: June 3, 2005 Location: Nebraska Posts: 331	I do not know. Tough call. __________________ I can't spel.

February 1, 2006, 11:58 PM	#6
gbran Senior Member Join Date: May 18, 2004 Location: Middle California Posts: 199	P90 of course

February 1, 2006, 08:12 AM	#3
OBIWAN Senior Member Join Date: March 16, 1999 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,342	I have seen comments from more than one person that had T&E'd both They all preferred the HK..... But they had little (read specialized) use for either one I still want one....don't know why

February 2, 2006, 12:11 AM	#7
bermo61 Member Join Date: January 24, 2006 Posts: 78	I have never cared for the looks of the FN but I know they make excellent products. Hk is a great company and I am very familiar with their products. HK all the way.

February 2, 2006, 12:28 AM	#8
Antipitas Staff Join Date: June 29, 2000 Location: Rupert, Idaho Posts: 5,499	I'll take a side of P90. __________________ Al Norris DEMENTED, adj. The melancholy mental condition of one whose arguments we are unable to answer. --Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary.

February 2, 2006, 06:00 AM	#9
czc3513 Senior Member Join Date: September 4, 2005 Location: Oregon. Posts: 709	I dont understand why the FN P90 is so popular. It is too big to be a personal defense weapon for non-combatants IMO. The HK MP7's size is just right IMO and I like the company more. Yet, I dont see them on TV like I do the P90s. voted HK MP7 I actually liked the TMP more before steyr stopped making them. __________________ "HEDP: High Explosive Donkey Punch"

February 2, 2006, 08:41 PM	#10
Lord_Nikon Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 401	The P90 makes a better TV weapon because it's recognizably a firearm, but it isn't of typical/traditional design or layout. And Brugger + Thomet is making the TMP, but as the MP-7. __________________ Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how it remains so popular?

February 2, 2006, 09:08 PM	#11
hksigwalther Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 1998 Location: NE OH, USA Posts: 3,202	Toss up for me too. Have more experience with HK products but from an Engineering standpoint, the FN's loading system is intriguing. __________________ - Ron V.

February 2, 2006, 09:24 PM	#12
utaherrn Senior Member Join Date: March 16, 2005 Location: Happy Valley, USA Posts: 645	Hmmmmm..... FN makes a civilian version of the P90, called the PS90, with a 16.1" bbl and 30rd mags. HK doesn't make a civilian version of the UMP, G-36 or the MP-7, let alone the HK-94, HK-91, etc. anymore. Sounds like FN wants my business and HK cares only about LEO/Gov't contracts. Guess what I'll buy when the time comes? __________________ Bash 'em in the head, that seems to work out!

February 2, 2006, 10:09 PM	#13
FirstFreedom Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2004 Location: The Toll Road State, U.S.A. Posts: 12,455	In civi versions, neither. In LEO versions, P90 - hard to beat 50 rounds of full-auto controllable firepower.

February 2, 2006, 10:13 PM	#14
Fal 4 Me Senior Member Join Date: January 28, 2006 Location: WI Posts: 208	According to the latest Shotgun News, the magazine on the PS90 is the same as the magazine on the P90, only the follower is larger. According to them trimming the follower is all you have to do to convert it to a 50 rounder instead of the 30. My vote goes to the FN.

February 3, 2006, 04:53 AM	#15
O.F.Fascist Member Join Date: July 11, 2005 Location: Corpus Christi, Tx, United States of America Posts: 43	FN P90. Atleast FN is willing to do business with us civillians. __________________ Proud Sponsor of the American Military-Industrial Complex

February 3, 2006, 09:47 AM	#16
FirearmFan Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2005 Location: Philly Posts: 271	The only law enforcement group I have seen with the P90 is the Secret Service. Saw a photo of some swat guys around the white house with them. Also saw video of a law enforcement officer in New Orleans during the flood with one. Not sure who he was with. I heard they both penetrate body armor well. I'm an Hk fan but in this case it seems to be a toss up. __________________ "Courage is being scared to death - and saddling up anyway." -John Wayne 357. sig 229R HK p2000 in .40

February 3, 2006, 12:32 PM	#17
JohnBrowning Senior Member Join Date: May 20, 2005 Posts: 140	If the NFA didn't exist and I could actually have one of those, I'd probably opt to cut down an 870 instead. Or maybe I'd get a shorty AK if rifle velocity was a must. I just can't stand the idea of using that small of a projectile when something bigger is available. However, I am NOT saying I wouldn't enjoy owning either or both if it was legal. Those look like they have to be so much fun to shoot.

February 3, 2006, 01:58 PM	#18
Optical Serenity Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 514	OF Fascist, The reason HK sometimes shies away from civie sales is because of all the hoops and hurdles to jump over...and the very small market. Most people don't want / can't afford these type guns... __________________ Blackhole Forums Discuss Current Events, Read News, Politics, Survival.

February 3, 2006, 02:04 PM	#19
Marko Kloos Staff Lead Join Date: January 12, 2000 Location: Enfield, NH Posts: 5,448	Mmmm-hmmm. That's why they deliberately designed their semi-auto "sporter" G36, the SL8-1, so that it couldn't ever accept 30-round G36 magazines, even after an eventual AWB sunset. Oddly enough, the European SL8 was left with its magazine well and receiver unscalloped, so European customers can use regular G36 mags. __________________ "The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." --A.E. Van Vogt, The Weapon Shops of Isher the munchkin wrangler.

February 3, 2006, 10:35 PM	#20
IndianaDean Senior Member Join Date: September 10, 2004 Location: Indiana(obviously) Posts: 362	I just noticed tonight that Stargate:Atlantis is using the FN.

February 3, 2006, 11:01 PM	#22
CobrayCommando Senior Member Join Date: November 21, 2004 Posts: 1,631	The P90 doesn't make any sense at all to me... You can't wear it in a thigh or across the chest holster like you can with the MP7, so it has little use as a PDW for someone like a cook or high ranking officer, and its horribly underpowered for use by a truck driver or something who could just use an M4. Its too big for a pilot to use, except a blackhawk pilot who once again could simply use an M4. As much as I have lukewarm feelings for the M4 its still a huge step up from the P90 considering both are what I consider full size. Same goes for the MP5, underpowered for its size. I think guns like the MP7, MP5K, BXP, and MACs and TMP still have a place because they're small enough to be easily concealed by someone like a bodyguard, and small enough to go into a holster and be used as a PDW. Full size submachineguns have some very, very limited roles to fill.

February 6, 2006, 05:29 AM	#23
czc3513 Senior Member Join Date: September 4, 2005 Location: Oregon. Posts: 709	My thaughts exactly CobrayCommando. __________________ "HEDP: High Explosive Donkey Punch"

February 6, 2006, 05:40 AM	#24
Weeg Senior Member Join Date: November 7, 2005 Posts: 465	HK all the way...But I've worked with and shot MP5's for so long that I'm sold on them .

February 6, 2006, 01:28 PM	#25
Stiletto Senior Member Join Date: March 9, 2005 Posts: 388	PS90 takes standard P90 magazines. I don't even know that anyone sells the 30-rounders outside of the retail kit. I voted P90.