Interesting Test: Guns vs a Buick

IanS · May 11, 2006, 11:17 AM

Here's one of the most interesting threads I've ever seen. Its over at AR15.com. Various handguns and longuns were tested against the Buick's windows and doors. Albeit an informal test but still very informative and eye opening.

Here's the link to "Buick O Truth"

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.htm...=461635&page=1

Syntax360 · May 11, 2006, 07:35 PM

That was an insanely good read. EXCELLENT TEST. Mad props to that guy - I learned a lot. Everyone should read that thread.

roscoe · May 12, 2006, 12:40 AM

Those guys sure curse a lot.

Duxman · May 12, 2006, 09:10 AM

Very nice. Thanks.

**44 AMP** · May 12, 2006, 08:27 PM

But not often repeated. Shooting through glass DOES deflect bullets. Even rifle bullets. Even regular window glass @90 degrees has been shown to deflect shots. Once upon a time (don't know about today) police snipers were taught to shoot in teams, one guy's job was to break the window, a second shooter to make the shot. tricky timing, but it can be done.

FWIW, I bet it was pretty LOUD inside that car!

JJB2 · May 12, 2006, 08:37 PM

i found it interesting that most of the slugs were deflected upwards into the target................. i'd have thought the opposite with the angle of the wind shield and all...........

krieger11b · May 21, 2006, 07:07 PM

Very insightful, however it would have been nice to see how JHPs behave since very few of us carry any FMJ ammo.

Fremmer · May 21, 2006, 11:10 PM

Loud is right. Another plug for the .45.

SpookBoy · May 22, 2006, 10:12 AM

I did learn something, VERY Interesting.
Lets all load up and head to the local Junk yard.....

Mannlicher · May 22, 2006, 12:09 PM

I was able to view a DEA training video a few years back. In the vid, a guy drives up in an old Caprice, and gets out. Agents step up, armed with handguns, AR rifles, and Shotguns with 00 Buck. They proceed to shoot the car for what seems like an eternity.
When the smoke clears, the instructor opens the back car doors, and there crouched in the floorboards, is a cardboard dummy. Not a critical wound on him. Same in the front seat, another dummy.
Then the instructor wipes off the glass from the drivers seat, gets in, cranks the car up, and drives away.
Quite a different deal from what you see in the movies.

Fremmer · May 22, 2006, 12:43 PM

Keep in mind that it was only a Buick.....

BobG · May 22, 2006, 03:35 PM

A few years ago at Dugway Proving Grounds here in Utah, the Dugway Police ran tests on a series of vehicles with several types of military and non-military handguns and long guns. The best performer was the shotgun slug. When shooting into a vehicle, the 9mm performed poorly, heavier bullets worked better. When shooting into windows, almost all bullets were deflected unless fired almost perfectly perpendicular to the window. The windshield deflected all handgun bullets fired at it from a standing position in front of the vehicle, and deflected most rifle bullets. There was a film made of it, and it's results, but I am not certain where you could get a copy of it. It would be very interesting to watch. I learned of it when my father was a member of the Dugway Police.

silicon wolverine · May 27, 2006, 02:42 PM

When shooting a windshield you can cause more injuries from spraying glass into the drivers eyes and face than actually shooting him. Conversly if you ever shoot out your own windshild CLOSE YOUR EYES FIRST! It might save you from being blind the rest of your life.

SW

May 11, 2006, 11:17 AM	#1
IanS Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2000 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,240	Interesting Test: Guns vs a Buick Here's one of the most interesting threads I've ever seen. Its over at AR15.com. Various handguns and longuns were tested against the Buick's windows and doors. Albeit an informal test but still very informative and eye opening. Here's the link to "Buick O Truth" http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.htm...=461635&page=1

May 12, 2006, 08:27 PM	#5
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 5,354	Not new info But not often repeated. Shooting through glass DOES deflect bullets. Even rifle bullets. Even regular window glass @90 degrees has been shown to deflect shots. Once upon a time (don't know about today) police snipers were taught to shoot in teams, one guy's job was to break the window, a second shooter to make the shot. tricky timing, but it can be done. FWIW, I bet it was pretty LOUD inside that car!

May 22, 2006, 12:09 PM	#10
Mannlicher Senior Member Join Date: July 8, 2001 Location: North Central Florida Posts: 2,785	I was able to view a DEA training video a few years back. In the vid, a guy drives up in an old Caprice, and gets out. Agents step up, armed with handguns, AR rifles, and Shotguns with 00 Buck. They proceed to shoot the car for what seems like an eternity. When the smoke clears, the instructor opens the back car doors, and there crouched in the floorboards, is a cardboard dummy. Not a critical wound on him. Same in the front seat, another dummy. Then the instructor wipes off the glass from the drivers seat, gets in, cranks the car up, and drives away. Quite a different deal from what you see in the movies. __________________ Nemo Me Impune Lacesset "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.".........Ronald Reagan

May 22, 2006, 03:35 PM	#12
BobG Junior Member Join Date: March 29, 2006 Location: Utah Posts: 11	A few years ago at Dugway Proving Grounds here in Utah, the Dugway Police ran tests on a series of vehicles with several types of military and non-military handguns and long guns. The best performer was the shotgun slug. When shooting into a vehicle, the 9mm performed poorly, heavier bullets worked better. When shooting into windows, almost all bullets were deflected unless fired almost perfectly perpendicular to the window. The windshield deflected all handgun bullets fired at it from a standing position in front of the vehicle, and deflected most rifle bullets. There was a film made of it, and it's results, but I am not certain where you could get a copy of it. It would be very interesting to watch. I learned of it when my father was a member of the Dugway Police. __________________ Not everyone can be a hero; somebody has to sit on the curb and clap as they go by. ---------Will Rogers

May 11, 2006, 07:35 PM	#2
Syntax360 Senior Member Join Date: April 17, 2006 Location: Grand Prairie, TX Posts: 619	That was an insanely good read. EXCELLENT TEST. Mad props to that guy - I learned a lot. Everyone should read that thread.

May 12, 2006, 12:40 AM	#3
roscoe Senior Member Join Date: July 16, 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 476	Those guys sure curse a lot.

May 12, 2006, 09:10 AM	#4
Duxman Senior Member Join Date: February 16, 2005 Location: VA Posts: 1,250	Very nice. Thanks.

May 12, 2006, 08:37 PM	#6
JJB2 Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2005 Posts: 559	i found it interesting that most of the slugs were deflected upwards into the target................. i'd have thought the opposite with the angle of the wind shield and all...........

May 21, 2006, 07:07 PM	#7
krieger11b Senior Member Join Date: April 23, 2006 Posts: 114	Very insightful, however it would have been nice to see how JHPs behave since very few of us carry any FMJ ammo.

May 21, 2006, 11:10 PM	#8
Fremmer Senior Member Join Date: June 19, 2005 Location: Nebraska Posts: 3,486	Loud is right. Another plug for the .45.

May 22, 2006, 10:12 AM	#9
SpookBoy Senior Member Join Date: January 29, 2006 Location: mid tennessee Posts: 379	I did learn something, VERY Interesting. Lets all load up and head to the local Junk yard.....

May 22, 2006, 12:43 PM	#11
Fremmer Senior Member Join Date: June 19, 2005 Location: Nebraska Posts: 3,486	Keep in mind that it was only a Buick.....

May 27, 2006, 02:42 PM	#13
silicon wolverine Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 2006 Location: South dakota Posts: 674	When shooting a windshield you can cause more injuries from spraying glass into the drivers eyes and face than actually shooting him. Conversly if you ever shoot out your own windshild CLOSE YOUR EYES FIRST! It might save you from being blind the rest of your life. SW