20 illegals found in van. ICE says, "Let them all go"

MinutemanEagle1 · June 21, 2006, 10:51 AM

This story is missing the name and rank of the ICE official who directed the sheriff to let them go. That would have made a complete - and useful - news story.

We don't have to "reform" our immigration laws. The ones we have now are fine - but we don't obey them. The "reform" we need, is to start finding out which officials are not obeying them, and replace them with officials who will.

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http://www.wtov9.com/news/9397913/detail.html

Illegal Immigrants Free To Go

by Renee Cardelli & Amy Post, NEWS9

Local police said they intercepted 20 illegal Mexican immigrants, but were ordered by immigration officials to let them go free.

Belmont County Sheriff Fred Thompson said his officers were instructed by federal immigration services to let all 20 illegal immigrants go free, and said his department has no choice but to follow the orders from immigration officials.

Thompson said officers stopped a van at 3 a.m. Tuesday which was traveling the wrong direction on Interstate 470 in St. Clairsville.

The officer discovered 20 illegal Mexican immigrants inside the van, including three who were previously deported. The officer immediately contacted immigration officials, who told him to let all 20 immigrants go.

"Once we find out they are illegals, it's like pat them on the back of the head and tell them, 'Go on down the road; you'll probably get stopped again,'" Thompson said.

The immigrants told the officer they were traveling through Ohio to obtain work in Manassas, Va.

Calls to Citizenship and Immigration Services as well as Immigration and Customs Enforcement have not been returned.

**Capt Charlie** · June 21, 2006, 11:25 AM

Yep, that happened here, right down the river at a neighboring jurisdiction, and it's nothing new. I, personally, have been told to release illegals on two occasions by INS

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This story is missing the name and rank of the ICE official who directed the sheriff to let them go. That would have made a complete - and useful - news story.

Rep. Bob Ney, after being contacted by Channel 9 news, contacted INS, who promptly replied that they had no knowledge of the incident. Ney said he intends to start a congressional investigation on the incident. We'll see, but I'm not expecting any miracles.

liliysdad · June 21, 2006, 11:46 AM

I have been told that unless we have at least 25, they are to be released.

We once got a guy with several POUNDS of weed, No License, etc.....INS advised us that until we got 24 more, dont call them.

Earnest T. Bass · June 21, 2006, 11:47 AM

How can an ICE "official" give an order to a county sheriff to let them go, seeing as how the county sheriff is the highest ranking law enforcement official in the county??

ICE can "order" the sheriff to paint his sack blue, but that doesn't mean the sheriff has to do it.

Harley Quinn · June 21, 2006, 11:47 AM

I would think it would be dependent on the situation and if there are other crimes. No one can tell you to release a criminal if that is what you have.

But if you did not have PC and you had no other reason for the stop maybe?

I have butted heads with the feds in the past. But they are not going to commit crimes themselves. Not where I worked anyway. To much clout in the L.A. area to go pushing their position around. Must be more to it.

Movies have really given the world a bad thought pattern on the real world of crime.

HQ

Pointer · June 21, 2006, 12:12 PM

Liberals!!!!

We shoot watermelon thieves in the a$$ with rock salt...

Damned liberals!

EDIT
More explanation is needed for some...
Liberals are not willing to shoot illegals with pea spitters...
Much less rock salt...

So we now have overwhelming numbers of intruders passing through with little or no risk to themselves...
As long as they keep their group sizes below 25?

Fal 4 Me · June 21, 2006, 05:48 PM

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Liberals!!!!

We shoot watermelon thieves in the a$$ with rock salt...

Damned liberals!

Where, exactly, is the evidence that "liberals" are behind this incident?

carbiner · June 21, 2006, 06:18 PM

Thats the sad result of the king liberal himself, Bill Clinton.

Billy boy relaxed quite a few INS regulations.

And, if nothing else, we can thank the dismantle America one peice at a time liberals for all the wonderful and generous social programs for illeagals.

Harley Quinn · June 21, 2006, 08:57 PM

But you can't heap all this on Billy Boy. G W's got to take some of the heat.
The BushyFox duo.

HQ

carbiner · June 21, 2006, 10:28 PM

HQ I think Bush has handled the border problem about as well he forms a complete sentence

Harley Quinn · June 21, 2006, 10:43 PM

Is an art form.

They never know where you are coming from. Most people think that when you say something, and they want to agree on, so they mention it in a way that they can agree on. Like I say it is an art. Other wise it would be completly in a state of arguement all the time.

Or they are so befuddled they think they know more than you, and you are still in control. I really enjoy these guys, or gals. See it on this forum all the time.

Look how everyone thinks we are better off now then we were 7 years ago.
Or do they

HQ

Pointer · June 21, 2006, 11:29 PM

Carbiner

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Thats the sad result of the king liberal himself, Bill Clinton.

Billy boy relaxed quite a few INS regulations.

And, if nothing else, we can thank the dismantle-America-one-peice-at-a-time liberals for all the wonderful and generous social programs for illegals

Beautifully said...

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HQ I think Bush has handled the border problem about as well he forms a complete sentence.

This too is true...and it is too true to be true too, and the liberal band plays on...

I think GW would have been generally considered a liberal as little as ten years ago.

Fal 4 Me · June 22, 2006, 05:40 PM

And none of the problem comes from the amnesty Ray-gun granted?

Eghad · June 22, 2006, 06:41 PM

liberals

Its Bush who supports giving them Amnesty and quite a few Republicans besides the liberals. Last time I looked Dubya was the president and the person in charge of INS since its under the executive branch....and he aint no liberal. So Blame the INS and Dubyah not just liberals.

Pointer · June 22, 2006, 07:49 PM

Eghad
It is the slack in border control for which I blame the bleeding hearts...

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It's Bush who supports giving them Amnesty and quite a few Republicans.

The numbers of illegals are overwhelming because of the slack border policies...
This is why the original amnesty was offered... because there was nothing else to do... and the borders were supposed to be tightened up at that time...

This is the same reason "they" want to do it again...
But the liberal-bleeding-heart-leftists won't support a "hard-nosed" policy to make it DIFFICULT and UNPLEASANT to violate our borders and then freely remain in this country as illegals...

GW, for all his incompetence, apparent or real, inherited these problems from past liberal Congresses and Whitehouse Administrations...

As did Ronald Reagan...

At least they're trying to do SOMETHING.

Blackwater OPS · June 22, 2006, 08:02 PM

An an LEO I can tell you ICE/INS telling us to let illegals go was the rule, not the exception. Also these were all felony use of fraudulent document being used in attempts to access federal property/military installations.

Harley Quinn · June 22, 2006, 09:10 PM

Must be a different world out there for you guys in LEO service. I feel for you.

When I was on the job, we had quite a bit of leeway, and WC's with "Mucho Cajones". And a Chief of Police that stood by his men.

HQ

Pointer · June 24, 2006, 05:06 PM

I haven't seen a Police Dept with "brass knockers" since 1960 (Oakland).

Individuals... yes... Department, no.

Waaaay too much politics at the upper levels...

I'd love to see them take back their "turf"...

and thumb their noses at the "bleeding heart liberals"

rick_reno · June 24, 2006, 07:33 PM

From the mouth of our President "we must remember that the vast majority of illegal immigrants are decent people who work hard, support their families, practice their faith, and lead responsible lives. They are a part of American life, but they are beyond the reach and protection of American law." Immigration speech - May 16, 2005.

Given they're "beyond the reach and protection of American law" - I guess they had no choice but to let them go.

On a personal note, if they're going to get them go - can I register somewhere to get them to drop one off here? I had to plant a tree today and could have used some help in digging the hole - lots of hardpan.

DasBoot · June 24, 2006, 07:42 PM

Why aren't the names of those ICE officials "leaked" to someone in the media, O'Rielly perhaps.
He has no problem going after officials/judges/etc. that aren't doing their job.
This crap HAS GOT TO STOP!!!

Blackwater OPS · June 24, 2006, 09:27 PM

Cops like keeping their jobs

gdm · June 25, 2006, 11:42 AM

let them all go?then they are also part of the problem.if its 21 in the van, it shouldnt make any difference..are they going to start limiting illegals in vans to get a free ride?multiple trips with no more than 20 in a van to skirt the law?

If it were me, id probably get fired the first day for having some stones to stand up against it.Its getting easier to see where it is going and what is being done about it...and those responsable and why they are doing this stuff.

I suppose when actions like these eventually affect even those that are aiding the entire situation to continue,they may open their eyes...but then it will be kinda too late for everyone else.

"Also these were all felony use of fraudulent document being used in attempts to access federal property/military installations".

whats missing here??

Harley Quinn · June 25, 2006, 12:40 PM

At least they should have gotten another van to move that much weight.

HQ

Destructo6 · June 25, 2006, 02:48 PM

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The numbers of illegals are overwhelming because of the slack border policies...

Well, Ohio isn't on the border. I'm not sure where the nearest ICE station is located in the Midwest, but I've heard of illegal aliens being released because there weren't agents that could get there to take custody in a timely manner (ie before the local LEO got frustrated and let them go).

What was preventing the local LEO from keeping them in his own facility until ICE showed up?

**Capt Charlie** · June 25, 2006, 03:24 PM

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What was preventing the local LEO from keeping them in his own facility until ICE showed up?

INS wasn't going to show up.... period. They said, point blank, that they weren't interested, and wouldn't take them. Once it's established by any agency that they will not extradite, the persons involved, whether they be illegal aliens or wanted felons, must be released then and there.

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I've heard of illegal aliens being released because there weren't agents that could get there to take custody in a timely manner (ie before the local LEO got frustrated and let them go).

The only frustration by local LEO's is caused by INS completely ignoring the situation. If they say they'll extradite, we'll hold 'em for days if need be. I'd say that qualifies as a "timely manner".

June 21, 2006, 10:51 AM	#1
MinutemanEagle1 Member Join Date: June 9, 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 16	20 illegals found in van. ICE says, "Let them all go" This story is missing the name and rank of the ICE official who directed the sheriff to let them go. That would have made a complete - and useful - news story. We don't have to "reform" our immigration laws. The ones we have now are fine - but we don't obey them. The "reform" we need, is to start finding out which officials are not obeying them, and replace them with officials who will. --------------------------- http://www.wtov9.com/news/9397913/detail.html Illegal Immigrants Free To Go by Renee Cardelli & Amy Post, NEWS9 Local police said they intercepted 20 illegal Mexican immigrants, but were ordered by immigration officials to let them go free. Belmont County Sheriff Fred Thompson said his officers were instructed by federal immigration services to let all 20 illegal immigrants go free, and said his department has no choice but to follow the orders from immigration officials. Thompson said officers stopped a van at 3 a.m. Tuesday which was traveling the wrong direction on Interstate 470 in St. Clairsville. The officer discovered 20 illegal Mexican immigrants inside the van, including three who were previously deported. The officer immediately contacted immigration officials, who told him to let all 20 immigrants go. "Once we find out they are illegals, it's like pat them on the back of the head and tell them, 'Go on down the road; you'll probably get stopped again,'" Thompson said. The immigrants told the officer they were traveling through Ohio to obtain work in Manassas, Va. Calls to Citizenship and Immigration Services as well as Immigration and Customs Enforcement have not been returned. __________________ The Constitution isn't perfect, but it's better than the system we're using now.

June 21, 2006, 11:47 AM	#5
Harley Quinn Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2005 Location: State of KALI Posts: 1,534	To release or not I would think it would be dependent on the situation and if there are other crimes. No one can tell you to release a criminal if that is what you have. But if you did not have PC and you had no other reason for the stop maybe? I have butted heads with the feds in the past. But they are not going to commit crimes themselves. Not where I worked anyway. To much clout in the L.A. area to go pushing their position around. Must be more to it. Movies have really given the world a bad thought pattern on the real world of crime. HQ

June 21, 2006, 12:12 PM	#6
Pointer Senior Member Join Date: April 8, 2005 Location: Utah Posts: 2,502	Liberals!!!! We shoot watermelon thieves in the a$$ with rock salt... Damned liberals! EDIT More explanation is needed for some... Liberals are not willing to shoot illegals with pea spitters... Much less rock salt... So we now have overwhelming numbers of intruders passing through with little or no risk to themselves... As long as they keep their group sizes below 25? __________________ . BEWARE candidates promising "reasonable" gun laws. It still infringes and it still insults the reason. 30-06 FOREVER Last edited by Pointer; June 21, 2006 at 11:21 PM.

June 21, 2006, 08:57 PM	#9
Harley Quinn Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2005 Location: State of KALI Posts: 1,534	ill eagles are are one thing, Immigrants are another But you can't heap all this on Billy Boy. G W's got to take some of the heat. The BushyFox duo. HQ

June 21, 2006, 10:43 PM	#11
Harley Quinn Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2005 Location: State of KALI Posts: 1,534	Not finishing a sentence Is an art form. They never know where you are coming from. Most people think that when you say something, and they want to agree on, so they mention it in a way that they can agree on. Like I say it is an art. Other wise it would be completly in a state of arguement all the time. Or they are so befuddled they think they know more than you, and you are still in control. I really enjoy these guys, or gals. See it on this forum all the time. Look how everyone thinks we are better off now then we were 7 years ago. Or do they HQ

June 21, 2006, 11:46 AM	#3
liliysdad Senior Member Join Date: June 7, 2004 Posts: 1,143	I have been told that unless we have at least 25, they are to be released. We once got a guy with several POUNDS of weed, No License, etc.....INS advised us that until we got 24 more, dont call them.

June 21, 2006, 11:47 AM	#4
Earnest T. Bass Member Join Date: June 13, 2006 Location: west of the mississippi Posts: 84	How can an ICE "official" give an order to a county sheriff to let them go, seeing as how the county sheriff is the highest ranking law enforcement official in the county?? ICE can "order" the sheriff to paint his sack blue, but that doesn't mean the sheriff has to do it.

June 21, 2006, 06:18 PM	#8
carbiner Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2006 Posts: 649	Thats the sad result of the king liberal himself, Bill Clinton. Billy boy relaxed quite a few INS regulations. And, if nothing else, we can thank the dismantle America one peice at a time liberals for all the wonderful and generous social programs for illeagals.

June 21, 2006, 10:28 PM	#10
carbiner Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2006 Posts: 649	HQ I think Bush has handled the border problem about as well he forms a complete sentence

June 22, 2006, 05:40 PM	#13
Fal 4 Me Senior Member Join Date: January 28, 2006 Location: WI Posts: 208	And none of the problem comes from the amnesty Ray-gun granted?

June 22, 2006, 06:41 PM	#14
Eghad Senior Member Join Date: May 28, 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,893	liberals Its Bush who supports giving them Amnesty and quite a few Republicans besides the liberals. Last time I looked Dubya was the president and the person in charge of INS since its under the executive branch....and he aint no liberal. So Blame the INS and Dubyah not just liberals. __________________ Have a nice day at the range NRA Life Member

June 22, 2006, 08:02 PM	#16
Blackwater OPS Senior Member Join Date: September 11, 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,155	An an LEO I can tell you ICE/INS telling us to let illegals go was the rule, not the exception. Also these were all felony use of fraudulent document being used in attempts to access federal property/military installations. __________________ "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin Spc. Jeremy M. Campbell Died 9/1/2005 and the best DS ever MSG Matthew Ritz Died 11.23.2005 matthewritz.com For those who have had to fight for it, Life holds a special meaning that the protected will never know. (\__/) (='.'=) Someone set us up the bunny! (")_(")

June 22, 2006, 09:10 PM	#17
Harley Quinn Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2005 Location: State of KALI Posts: 1,534	Blackwater Must be a different world out there for you guys in LEO service. I feel for you. When I was on the job, we had quite a bit of leeway, and WC's with "Mucho Cajones". And a Chief of Police that stood by his men. HQ

June 24, 2006, 05:06 PM	#18
Pointer Senior Member Join Date: April 8, 2005 Location: Utah Posts: 2,502	I haven't seen a Police Dept with "brass knockers" since 1960 (Oakland). Individuals... yes... Department, no. Waaaay too much politics at the upper levels... I'd love to see them take back their "turf"... and thumb their noses at the "bleeding heart liberals" __________________ . BEWARE candidates promising "reasonable" gun laws. It still infringes and it still insults the reason. 30-06 FOREVER

June 24, 2006, 07:33 PM	#19
rick_reno Senior Member Join Date: May 28, 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 918	From the mouth of our President "we must remember that the vast majority of illegal immigrants are decent people who work hard, support their families, practice their faith, and lead responsible lives. They are a part of American life, but they are beyond the reach and protection of American law." Immigration speech - May 16, 2005. Given they're "beyond the reach and protection of American law" - I guess they had no choice but to let them go. On a personal note, if they're going to get them go - can I register somewhere to get them to drop one off here? I had to plant a tree today and could have used some help in digging the hole - lots of hardpan.

June 24, 2006, 07:42 PM	#20
DasBoot Senior Member Join Date: October 18, 2005 Location: South Florida Posts: 701	Why aren't the names of those ICE officials "leaked" to someone in the media, O'Rielly perhaps. He has no problem going after officials/judges/etc. that aren't doing their job. This crap HAS GOT TO STOP!!!

June 24, 2006, 09:27 PM	#21
Blackwater OPS Senior Member Join Date: September 11, 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,155	Cops like keeping their jobs __________________ "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin Spc. Jeremy M. Campbell Died 9/1/2005 and the best DS ever MSG Matthew Ritz Died 11.23.2005 matthewritz.com For those who have had to fight for it, Life holds a special meaning that the protected will never know. (\__/) (='.'=) Someone set us up the bunny! (")_(")

June 25, 2006, 11:42 AM	#22
gdm Senior Member Join Date: July 17, 2005 Posts: 319	let them all go?then they are also part of the problem.if its 21 in the van, it shouldnt make any difference..are they going to start limiting illegals in vans to get a free ride?multiple trips with no more than 20 in a van to skirt the law? If it were me, id probably get fired the first day for having some stones to stand up against it.Its getting easier to see where it is going and what is being done about it...and those responsable and why they are doing this stuff. I suppose when actions like these eventually affect even those that are aiding the entire situation to continue,they may open their eyes...but then it will be kinda too late for everyone else. "Also these were all felony use of fraudulent document being used in attempts to access federal property/military installations". whats missing here??

June 25, 2006, 12:40 PM	#23
Harley Quinn Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2005 Location: State of KALI Posts: 1,534	For starters the van was over payload At least they should have gotten another van to move that much weight. HQ