So, my buddy with a CHL got pulled over last night...

Glockamolie · November 17, 2006, 12:53 PM

He was on his way home from work about 11pm, and was a little over the speed limit. He got stopped, and he handed the Sheriff's Deputy his DL and his CHL, as he had a G19 in the console. The Deputy asked to secure his firearm during the traffic stop (we all know this debate, but it's not relevant here). He did, and the Deputy went back to his car for a few minutes. Another Deputy showed up then behind him. Not sounding so good, right?

They both came up and started chatting with him. It seems that my buddy had shot up all of his good ammo at his property last weekend, and had the G19 loaded with ball rounds. They told him he needed to get some good hollowpoints back in there, and just chatted for a few minutes. They asked him about his service, as he has disabled veteran license plates. My buddy is ex-Army, as was one of the Deputies. They never said a word about his speeding, and sent him down the road with a "Take care".

cbears · November 17, 2006, 02:12 PM

Wouldn't it be great if all the police officers were so accepting of law-abiding citizens arming themselves? After all, it helps them out also.

Pucker · November 17, 2006, 02:40 PM

It's truly amazing what happens if/when you show the slightest bit of respect from the onset of being pulled over.

Why, it's almost as if LEOs are people too...

RevolverLover · November 17, 2006, 02:45 PM

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Wouldn't it be great if all the police officers were so accepting of law-abiding citizens arming themselves? After all, it helps them out also.

He was speeding, thats not really law-abiding is it

OJ · November 17, 2006, 02:48 PM

[QUOTEWouldn't it be great if all the police officers were so accepting of law-abiding citizens arming themselves? After all, it helps them out also.][/QUOTE]

My experience has been good also. I get a ride (has to be 100 miles to qualify) on my motorcycle every week and weather and road conditions permitting, go to Cripple Creek & back. Bikers that want longevity practice defensive riding and one thing is to not allow anyone to tailgate you - generally speed up to get some distance ahead & then pull over to let them pass. There's a 3 mile stretch of road where this is a problem with few good passing areas. I saw this white SUV coming up fast behind me so I "turned up the wick" - he got closer, so I turned it up more, etc. when I got to the open road good for passing, I pulled over and waved him by - BUT - he didn't pass. I saw those little red & blue lights just before they came on.

He very courteously asked if there was a reason for my being so far over the posted limit (my last speeding ticket was in 1962) and, in my attempt to explain "defensive riding" I blurted out, "I try not to hold up traffic there". I guess it was an excuse he hadn't heard before and, as I handed him my license, registration, insurance info, and my CCW permit, he looked like he was trying to keep a straight face going back to his vehicle to check me out. He handed my CCW permit back saying he didn't need that.

When he came back, he was cracking up laughing - saying, "I expected to find a young punk speeder and never expected to find an 80 year old man riding a 29 year old motorcycle"! I promised to limit my speed and he just gave me a warning and we talked some belonging to the same Masonic Lodge and having mutual friends and parted as friends.

Our state law doesn't require showing our CCW permit when stopped but, I like to do it because, if the LEO thinks about it, I have just handed him an instant background check and he knows I am a law-abiding citizen to have such permit. Traffic stops are hazardous for LEOs because they haven't a clue about the perp's character and I would think the instant background check puts them at ease - evidently it did.

It was also unique for me since I get "senior citizen discounts" many places but didn't expect it for a traffic violation.

Some days you're the hammer and some days you're the nail.

KRoyal · November 17, 2006, 03:09 PM

I got stopped the other day for doing 78 in a 70 in which i had my cruise control set for 70 so i know I wasn't speeding but my truck is a rather flashy truck that police like to pull over, so anyway the young state trooper in training i'm guessing came up to my window and asked if i knew why they pulled me over... I said no officer I don't he said, "you were doing 78 in a 70" then he walked to the front of the truck and says "oh and you don't have a front license plate"... He comes back and he is being a real dick then asked for my License and Insurance along with that i give my CHL card (it's required)
When he see's it he completely changes his beat and says one moment sir... Goes to the car to talk to the other officer and comes back and says "Sir, Thank you for your Courtesy i'm giong to let you off with a warning" I was like wow thanks officer you have a nice day.... I promise you if i wouldn't have had a CHL they would have gave me a ticket...

.45 Vet · November 17, 2006, 03:40 PM

OJ, greate story, and a sweeeeet looking Beemer....

frankxd · November 17, 2006, 04:46 PM

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I got stopped the other day for doing 78 in a 70 in which i had my cruise control set for 70 so i know I wasn't speeding

Are your tires the stock size (overall diameter)? If not, you speedo will be off.

chris in va · November 17, 2006, 05:00 PM

I thought it was just a fluke, but now that you guys mention it...

Got pulled over a few months ago in my Astro van, and yes I was speeding some, probably 10 over. I was carrying a motorcycle I just bought used in the back. While waiting, I turned on the interior light, hands on the wheel and had the paperwork ready. To my knowledge WV doesn't make you hand over your CHP, so I didn't.

He comes back quite friendly and says to take it easy on the speed and have a nice evening. I think he may have seen the VA CHP on his screen...

Walter · November 17, 2006, 07:40 PM

I got stopped last year by a Texas state trooper on my way to
Colorado. He said I was doing 78 in a 70. I didn't argue with him,
I gave him my insurance card, my d.l., and my ccl.
When he came back to my truck after the computer check, he gave
me all my paperwork back and said he was going to write me a
"warning". Wow! Made my day.
He then asked, he said it was for his personal curiosity, where,
without reaching for or pointing to it, I was carrying my handgun.
I told him, he handed me the "warning" ticket and told me to
SLOW DOWN! I did.
I told my wife it was the CCL that convinced the officer to give me a
warning. She contended it was the Purple Heart license plates that did it.
Whatever did it, I appreciated the officer's consideration.

Walter

OJ · November 18, 2006, 12:20 AM

[QUOTEOJ, greate story, and a sweeeeet looking Beemer....
__________________
For those who've never fought for it, the price of freedom shall never be known... ][/QUOTE]

.45 Vet - thanks for the kind words. it's my 16th bike and 3rd beemer and the best of all.

I like your signature.

'75Scout · November 18, 2006, 01:10 AM

I know several people that have gotten off of tickets because of their CHLs. One friend was driving a little intoxicated and got off just because of the CHL (he wasn't packing though). Not saying he should have its just what happened. If I get accepted into the academy I'm sure I will let speeders with CHLs off with a warning, unless they were really going fast or driving recklessly. I see at like this. LEOs are trying to catch the real bad guys and are willing to let good people, that made a mistake, off with a warning.

gdvan01 · November 18, 2006, 02:22 AM

Speaking solely for myself, my mind was made up before I got out of the car if someone was going to get the ticket for the offense they were stopped for. As long as they passed the attitude test, they were let off with a warning.

Powderman · November 18, 2006, 04:18 AM

Not trying to jack the thread, but the post concerning the Purple Heart plates brought back a memory...

On a road during daytime hours, I saw a white sedan about half a block away do a "rolling stop" through a posted stop sign. The car turned onto a four lane arterial.

I sped up to catch up with the sedan. As I started closing in, I picked up my hand mike to call in the stop. As I got closer to the sedan, I looked at the plate and put the mike down.

The license plate was blue, with five white stars on it.

I couldn't help it. I pulled up next to the gent driving, an older man with white hair at the next stop light. When he glanced over, I sat up and came to "Present Arms" (hand salute). He smiled slightly, returned the salute, and was gone.

That's one license plate that (barring doing something REALLY stupid, which I don't think will happen) gets an instant pass from me--and every other cop I know.

Powderman · November 18, 2006, 04:22 AM

Incidentally, this is the plate I'm talking about.

PGrl · November 18, 2006, 02:34 PM

This is undoubtably going to be considered a stupid question, but I don't know the answer, so:

The term "secure the firearm," does that mean remove the bullets or hand it to the officer, or both?

marlboroman84 · November 18, 2006, 03:13 PM

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The term "secure the firearm," does that mean remove the bullets or hand it to the officer, or both

Depends on the officer. Sometimes they'll take it to their patrol car, sometimes they'll just unload it and set it on the hood. It depends on what they want to do. I don't think they want you to reach for it though, that's kind of a no no.

PGrl · November 18, 2006, 03:43 PM

Ok, so it means the officer wants to examine it. Thanks!

blume357 · November 18, 2006, 05:26 PM

you ment them harm, they would already be laying in the road bleeding. But then most logic is out the window these days....

Glockamolie · November 18, 2006, 09:03 PM

In this case, the deputy was just going through the motions, so to speak. He would have been treated differently throughout the stop if a)he was rude or disrespectful, b)he had been doing something more than just going 10 over, or c) he didn't have the Disabled Vet plate and a CHL. Does the DV plate and the CHL give someone the right to speed? No. Does that person feel they deserve special treatment? No. But, from the officer's perspective, it does give an idea about the character of the person he has stopped. My buddy would've had the exact same reaction and still chatted with the deputy, had he gotten a citation or not. The SO out here doesn't look to pull people over and write 10-over tickets all night. They're looking for DWIs and drugs. When they find they've got an average working Joe that has obviously done some things right, they generally give some slack.

Powderman · November 18, 2006, 09:11 PM

No, no, no, no, no!

First rule of courteous conduct while on a traffic stop:

Do NOT---EVER---reach for a weapon--or even LOOK like you're reaching for a weapon--while in contact with an on duty police officer.

If for some unknown reason the officer TELLS you to reach for the weapon, tell them this: "I wouldn't feel right doing that. I'd rather that you take control of the firearm personally. What would you like me to do?"

Trust me, the officer will appreciate it.

Hayley · November 18, 2006, 10:07 PM

"Incidentally, this is the plate I'm talking about."

I think it would matter to alot of us in the same situation also.

Glockamolie · November 19, 2006, 08:49 AM

"No, no, no, no, no!

First rule of courteous conduct while on a traffic stop:

Do NOT---EVER---reach for a weapon--or even LOOK like you're reaching for a weapon--while in contact with an on duty police officer.

If for some unknown reason the officer TELLS you to reach for the weapon, tell them this: "I wouldn't feel right doing that. I'd rather that you take control of the firearm personally. What would you like me to do?"

Trust me, the officer will appreciate it."
_____________________________________________________________________________________

Who was that intended for?

I hope not me, as I'm an ex-cop.

PGrl · November 19, 2006, 09:43 AM

I think that was intended for me, Glockamolie.

MPanova · November 20, 2006, 05:47 AM

I heard a lot of stories like this before/while getting my CHL. I thought maybe this would help me in the ticket department. Um no. I have had tons of tickets over the years and most of them have been IMO BS tickets anyway and just a way for them to make money. Most of my tickets include (no front plate, window tint, no seat belt, adjusting suspension while driving, clear tail lights, wrong address on my license. ect ect...) and a few 5-10 miles over the speed limit but not many. I am always nice to the LEO who pulls me over in hopes they will let me off with a warning

Since getting my license in April of this year I have been pulled over twice and received a ticket BOTH times. Again I was polite to the officer and informed them as soon as they reached my window that I did indeed have my CHL along with what and where I had it. The time I was pulled over for my window tint being to dark the officer told me "you should not have your windows that dark since you're carrying a weapon and we can't see you when we walk up to the car" at that point like Ron White says "I had the right to remain silent but I did not have the ability" lol I told the officer that the law abiding CHL citizens are not the ones you need to worry about having dark f@%$ing tint, its the a$$h@les who carry illegally that you need to worry about. And another thing, you did not know I had a weapon until after you came to the window and it was rolled down and you could see me plain as day holding my D.L and CHL to help YOU feel safer while writing me a ticket.

November 17, 2006, 12:53 PM	#1
Glockamolie Senior Member Join Date: September 11, 2005 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 359	So, my buddy with a CHL got pulled over last night... He was on his way home from work about 11pm, and was a little over the speed limit. He got stopped, and he handed the Sheriff's Deputy his DL and his CHL, as he had a G19 in the console. The Deputy asked to secure his firearm during the traffic stop (we all know this debate, but it's not relevant here). He did, and the Deputy went back to his car for a few minutes. Another Deputy showed up then behind him. Not sounding so good, right? They both came up and started chatting with him. It seems that my buddy had shot up all of his good ammo at his property last weekend, and had the G19 loaded with ball rounds. They told him he needed to get some good hollowpoints back in there, and just chatted for a few minutes. They asked him about his service, as he has disabled veteran license plates. My buddy is ex-Army, as was one of the Deputies. They never said a word about his speeding, and sent him down the road with a "Take care". __________________ I may or may not be a gun enthusiast. :-)

November 17, 2006, 02:48 PM	#5
OJ Senior Member Join Date: December 25, 1998 Location: COLORADO SPRINGS, CO, USA Posts: 1,174	[QUOTEWouldn't it be great if all the police officers were so accepting of law-abiding citizens arming themselves? After all, it helps them out also.][/QUOTE] My experience has been good also. I get a ride (has to be 100 miles to qualify) on my motorcycle every week and weather and road conditions permitting, go to Cripple Creek & back. Bikers that want longevity practice defensive riding and one thing is to not allow anyone to tailgate you - generally speed up to get some distance ahead & then pull over to let them pass. There's a 3 mile stretch of road where this is a problem with few good passing areas. I saw this white SUV coming up fast behind me so I "turned up the wick" - he got closer, so I turned it up more, etc. when I got to the open road good for passing, I pulled over and waved him by - BUT - he didn't pass. I saw those little red & blue lights just before they came on. He very courteously asked if there was a reason for my being so far over the posted limit (my last speeding ticket was in 1962) and, in my attempt to explain "defensive riding" I blurted out, "I try not to hold up traffic there". I guess it was an excuse he hadn't heard before and, as I handed him my license, registration, insurance info, and my CCW permit, he looked like he was trying to keep a straight face going back to his vehicle to check me out. He handed my CCW permit back saying he didn't need that. When he came back, he was cracking up laughing - saying, "I expected to find a young punk speeder and never expected to find an 80 year old man riding a 29 year old motorcycle"! I promised to limit my speed and he just gave me a warning and we talked some belonging to the same Masonic Lodge and having mutual friends and parted as friends. Our state law doesn't require showing our CCW permit when stopped but, I like to do it because, if the LEO thinks about it, I have just handed him an instant background check and he knows I am a law-abiding citizen to have such permit. Traffic stops are hazardous for LEOs because they haven't a clue about the perp's character and I would think the instant background check puts them at ease - evidently it did. It was also unique for me since I get "senior citizen discounts" many places but didn't expect it for a traffic violation. Some days you're the hammer and some days you're the nail. __________________ OJ - SEMPER FI - NRA ENDOWMENT MEMBER,MEMBER GOA, JPFO, CSSA CHARTER LIFE MEMBER AMA (MOTORCYCLIST) Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap - life is expensive.

November 17, 2006, 07:40 PM	#10
Walter Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2004 Location: North Texas Posts: 563	And I thought I was special... I got stopped last year by a Texas state trooper on my way to Colorado. He said I was doing 78 in a 70. I didn't argue with him, I gave him my insurance card, my d.l., and my ccl. When he came back to my truck after the computer check, he gave me all my paperwork back and said he was going to write me a "warning". Wow! Made my day. He then asked, he said it was for his personal curiosity, where, without reaching for or pointing to it, I was carrying my handgun. I told him, he handed me the "warning" ticket and told me to SLOW DOWN! I did. I told my wife it was the CCL that convinced the officer to give me a warning. She contended it was the Purple Heart license plates that did it. Whatever did it, I appreciated the officer's consideration. Walter

November 18, 2006, 12:20 AM	#11
OJ Senior Member Join Date: December 25, 1998 Location: COLORADO SPRINGS, CO, USA Posts: 1,174	[QUOTEOJ, greate story, and a sweeeeet looking Beemer.... __________________ For those who've never fought for it, the price of freedom shall never be known... ][/QUOTE] .45 Vet - thanks for the kind words. it's my 16th bike and 3rd beemer and the best of all. I like your signature. __________________ OJ - SEMPER FI - NRA ENDOWMENT MEMBER,MEMBER GOA, JPFO, CSSA CHARTER LIFE MEMBER AMA (MOTORCYCLIST) Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap - life is expensive.

November 18, 2006, 04:18 AM	#14
Powderman Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2001 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,383	Not trying to jack the thread, but the post concerning the Purple Heart plates brought back a memory... On a road during daytime hours, I saw a white sedan about half a block away do a "rolling stop" through a posted stop sign. The car turned onto a four lane arterial. I sped up to catch up with the sedan. As I started closing in, I picked up my hand mike to call in the stop. As I got closer to the sedan, I looked at the plate and put the mike down. The license plate was blue, with five white stars on it. I couldn't help it. I pulled up next to the gent driving, an older man with white hair at the next stop light. When he glanced over, I sat up and came to "Present Arms" (hand salute). He smiled slightly, returned the salute, and was gone. That's one license plate that (barring doing something REALLY stupid, which I don't think will happen) gets an instant pass from me--and every other cop I know. __________________ Hiding in plain sight...

November 17, 2006, 02:12 PM	#2
cbears Member Join Date: August 27, 2006 Posts: 40	Wouldn't it be great if all the police officers were so accepting of law-abiding citizens arming themselves? After all, it helps them out also.

November 17, 2006, 02:40 PM	#3
Pucker Senior Member Join Date: November 7, 2006 Posts: 144	It's truly amazing what happens if/when you show the slightest bit of respect from the onset of being pulled over. Why, it's almost as if LEOs are people too...

November 17, 2006, 03:09 PM	#6
KRoyal Senior Member Join Date: September 25, 2006 Posts: 159	I got stopped the other day for doing 78 in a 70 in which i had my cruise control set for 70 so i know I wasn't speeding but my truck is a rather flashy truck that police like to pull over, so anyway the young state trooper in training i'm guessing came up to my window and asked if i knew why they pulled me over... I said no officer I don't he said, "you were doing 78 in a 70" then he walked to the front of the truck and says "oh and you don't have a front license plate"... He comes back and he is being a real dick then asked for my License and Insurance along with that i give my CHL card (it's required) When he see's it he completely changes his beat and says one moment sir... Goes to the car to talk to the other officer and comes back and says "Sir, Thank you for your Courtesy i'm giong to let you off with a warning" I was like wow thanks officer you have a nice day.... I promise you if i wouldn't have had a CHL they would have gave me a ticket...

November 17, 2006, 03:40 PM	#7
.45 Vet Senior Member Join Date: May 21, 2004 Location: Western Penn. Posts: 323	OJ, greate story, and a sweeeeet looking Beemer.... __________________ For those who've never fought for it, the price of freedom shall never be known...

November 17, 2006, 05:00 PM	#9
chris in va Senior Member Join Date: December 26, 2004 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 7,212	I thought it was just a fluke, but now that you guys mention it... Got pulled over a few months ago in my Astro van, and yes I was speeding some, probably 10 over. I was carrying a motorcycle I just bought used in the back. While waiting, I turned on the interior light, hands on the wheel and had the paperwork ready. To my knowledge WV doesn't make you hand over your CHP, so I didn't. He comes back quite friendly and says to take it easy on the speed and have a nice evening. I think he may have seen the VA CHP on his screen...

November 18, 2006, 01:10 AM	#12
'75Scout Senior Member Join Date: August 3, 2005 Location: Central Texas Posts: 817	I know several people that have gotten off of tickets because of their CHLs. One friend was driving a little intoxicated and got off just because of the CHL (he wasn't packing though). Not saying he should have its just what happened. If I get accepted into the academy I'm sure I will let speeders with CHLs off with a warning, unless they were really going fast or driving recklessly. I see at like this. LEOs are trying to catch the real bad guys and are willing to let good people, that made a mistake, off with a warning.

November 18, 2006, 02:22 AM	#13
gdvan01 Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2006 Location: Home of the first First Lady Posts: 267	Speaking solely for myself, my mind was made up before I got out of the car if someone was going to get the ticket for the offense they were stopped for. As long as they passed the attitude test, they were let off with a warning.

November 18, 2006, 04:22 AM	#15
Powderman Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2001 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,383	Incidentally, this is the plate I'm talking about. __________________ Hiding in plain sight...

November 18, 2006, 02:34 PM	#16
PGrl Junior Member Join Date: November 11, 2006 Location: Vance County, NC Posts: 13	This is undoubtably going to be considered a stupid question, but I don't know the answer, so: The term "secure the firearm," does that mean remove the bullets or hand it to the officer, or both?

November 18, 2006, 03:43 PM	#18
PGrl Junior Member Join Date: November 11, 2006 Location: Vance County, NC Posts: 13	Ok, so it means the officer wants to examine it. Thanks!

November 18, 2006, 05:26 PM	#19
blume357 Senior Member Join Date: August 2, 2005 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 3,156	that can be the only reason. Logic would show that if you ment them harm, they would already be laying in the road bleeding. But then most logic is out the window these days....

November 18, 2006, 09:03 PM	#20
Glockamolie Senior Member Join Date: September 11, 2005 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 359	In this case, the deputy was just going through the motions, so to speak. He would have been treated differently throughout the stop if a)he was rude or disrespectful, b)he had been doing something more than just going 10 over, or c) he didn't have the Disabled Vet plate and a CHL. Does the DV plate and the CHL give someone the right to speed? No. Does that person feel they deserve special treatment? No. But, from the officer's perspective, it does give an idea about the character of the person he has stopped. My buddy would've had the exact same reaction and still chatted with the deputy, had he gotten a citation or not. The SO out here doesn't look to pull people over and write 10-over tickets all night. They're looking for DWIs and drugs. When they find they've got an average working Joe that has obviously done some things right, they generally give some slack. __________________ I may or may not be a gun enthusiast. :-)

November 18, 2006, 09:11 PM	#21
Powderman Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2001 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,383	No, no, no, no, no! First rule of courteous conduct while on a traffic stop: Do NOT---EVER---reach for a weapon--or even LOOK like you're reaching for a weapon--while in contact with an on duty police officer. If for some unknown reason the officer TELLS you to reach for the weapon, tell them this: "I wouldn't feel right doing that. I'd rather that you take control of the firearm personally. What would you like me to do?" Trust me, the officer will appreciate it. __________________ Hiding in plain sight...

November 18, 2006, 10:07 PM	#22
Hayley Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2004 Posts: 295	* "Incidentally, this is the plate I'm talking about." I think it would matter to alot of us in the same situation also.

November 19, 2006, 08:49 AM	#23
Glockamolie Senior Member Join Date: September 11, 2005 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 359	"No, no, no, no, no! First rule of courteous conduct while on a traffic stop: Do NOT---EVER---reach for a weapon--or even LOOK like you're reaching for a weapon--while in contact with an on duty police officer. If for some unknown reason the officer TELLS you to reach for the weapon, tell them this: "I wouldn't feel right doing that. I'd rather that you take control of the firearm personally. What would you like me to do?" Trust me, the officer will appreciate it." _____________________________________________________________________________________ Who was that intended for? I hope not me, as I'm an ex-cop. __________________ I may or may not be a gun enthusiast. :-)

November 19, 2006, 09:43 AM	#24
PGrl Junior Member Join Date: November 11, 2006 Location: Vance County, NC Posts: 13	I think that was intended for me, Glockamolie.

November 20, 2006, 05:47 AM	#25
MPanova Senior Member Join Date: October 1, 2006 Location: Houston TX Posts: 658	I heard a lot of stories like this before/while getting my CHL. I thought maybe this would help me in the ticket department. Um no. I have had tons of tickets over the years and most of them have been IMO BS tickets anyway and just a way for them to make money. Most of my tickets include (no front plate, window tint, no seat belt, adjusting suspension while driving, clear tail lights, wrong address on my license. ect ect...) and a few 5-10 miles over the speed limit but not many. I am always nice to the LEO who pulls me over in hopes they will let me off with a warning Since getting my license in April of this year I have been pulled over twice and received a ticket BOTH times. Again I was polite to the officer and informed them as soon as they reached my window that I did indeed have my CHL along with what and where I had it. The time I was pulled over for my window tint being to dark the officer told me "you should not have your windows that dark since you're carrying a weapon and we can't see you when we walk up to the car" at that point like Ron White says "I had the right to remain silent but I did not have the ability" lol I told the officer that the law abiding CHL citizens are not the ones you need to worry about having dark f@%$ing tint, its the a$$h@les who carry illegally that you need to worry about. And another thing, you did not know I had a weapon until after you came to the window and it was rolled down and you could see me plain as day holding my D.L and CHL to help YOU feel safer while writing me a ticket. __________________ .45 CALIBER FANATIC!!! "WALK SOFTLY AND CARRY A BIG GUN!"