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November 20, 2006, 08:37 PM | #1 |
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The art of the rifle(man)......
I mean Rifleman.... Not to mention Riflery... I'm not that old, 31, but I was raised by guys who taught me what it really means to BE and become a Rifleman.. I'm probably going to get jumped for posting this here, and I expect it to be moved.... But I have to point out that Go ahead, make my day.... Just make mine a rifle....
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I see where you are going but elaborate a little on this
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November 20, 2006, 08:48 PM | #3 |
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I have no problem with that statement if fact I whole heartily agree.
Many different riflemen too and degrees of rifleman I suppose is Some guys are excellent off a bench some as smiths some as hunters some possess more than one skill and others I am sure i have missed. Political correctness is for people that live in a fantacy and refuse to accept Last edited by rem33; November 20, 2006 at 11:16 PM. |
November 20, 2006, 08:58 PM | #4 |
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This is going to be a friendly thread......
Get a real dictionary, look up I can hit
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November 20, 2006, 09:38 PM | #5 |
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This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It’s my life. I must master it, as it must master my life. My rifle without me is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless...
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November 20, 2006, 09:51 PM | #6 |
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I would be interested in what you were taught what it means to be a rifleman. I was taught to think safety, take shots that I knew would result in a clean kill and take care of my equipment. I think that would sum up just about everyones basic indoctrination. Beyond that, what would you add to |
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arkie2, you really get it buddy.... Thanks for listening...
Again, This is going to be a friendly thread... Untill someone kills it with some "trouble"... And I don't mean this forum, I mean Ok, here,,, read about Appleseed... http://www.rwva.org/ Maybe that will get you started... BTW this is a friendly thread...
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November 21, 2006, 10:45 PM | #8 |
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I read it and it sounds like a great program. Anyone here participated in this? I am interested in hearing some feedback.
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November 21, 2006, 11:48 PM | #9 |
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Whatcha gettin' at here?
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November 21, 2006, 11:55 PM | #10 |
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Just read it,,
If I can help even one other person understand, I'll be happy..
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November 22, 2006, 01:35 AM | #11 |
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OK I can relate to this.
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November 22, 2006, 02:19 AM | #12 |
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"Rifleman" is as much about will as ability. -tINY |
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I think a lot about being a real rifleman is about witnesses with a media voice. There's prolly umpteen thousands of unsung riflemen. I think this is one of those things that, you can't declare yourself a rifleman, others must bestow that title to you. So, luck has to be involved somewhat also.
How many would call themselves a rifleman? I wouldn't. Possibly an apprentice. What would you rather have? A lone 'rifleman' backing you up or 10 avg guys, i.e., 80%'ers. |
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This is a big part of what I'm trying to encourage with this thread, a good honest discussion about I can tell that some of There used to be some real heavy hitters who posted on this site, guys with years of knowledge and experiance to offer. But I think tINY, I'm really glad you brought that up BTW, Quote:
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Iv'e known many people who are considered excellent riflemen. I'd like to think that I'm one, but I haven't competed in any 3 or 4 position rifle matches.
Anyway, my definition would have to include someone who enjoys many different types of rifle shooting, from plinking to benchrest. What really separates My rifleman usually uses an accurate rifle, often a bolt action, often with handloaded ammunition, and can keep most centerfire shots within a 4" circle, standing without support (offhand), at 100 yards. Your opinion may vary. What would this board be without our different opinions. A wise person once told me, "It's okay to disagree, just not to be disagreeable about it." Picher |
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Your uncle SAM offers some very good training on being a rifleman.hell he will even pay you and supply moveing targets that return live fire. so if anyone wants a finishing school on
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I'd consider my dad a "rifleman". He spent his formative years doing 2 tours in Vietnam in
I consider myself a good shot, and a good hunter. But after growing up with a real Rifleman, I'm under no illusion that I'm in You can learn to shoot, train your mind and body, and learn all |
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I remove my previous post - this thread is extremely vague. I'm going to post a few dictionary meanings so that maybe there is a common starting point.
Webster rifleman 1 : a soldier armed with a rifle 2 : one skilled in shooting with a rifle Webster, again riflery : Wikipedia's entry - purely military. American Heritage Rifleman n. 1. A soldier equipped with a rifle. 2. One who shoots a rifle skillfully. Dictionary.com Riflery –noun So...vague terms to begin with. My best guess is that there is a complaint that too few people are learning to be skilled in a disciplined, martial sense with their rifles? Last edited by 270Win; November 22, 2006 at 10:11 PM. |
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Appleseed
Ok, I'll bite.
Haven't been in here for awhile. Someone above asked if anyone had been to an "Appleseed", as listed in Bennn's post citing www.rwva.org Please follow that link, and enter or go to Fred, of Fred's M14 stocks, is trying to "wake America" and get those that own, out to shoot. Those that shoot, out to drill until they are "one" with Motivational issues aside, With a "factory issue stick" (not tuned or tricked out) and "surplus ammo" (not hand tuned or controlled for consistency) be able to place all shots in 4 MOA (4 inches at 100) in field positions (no bench). Extropolation of this means while practicing woodsmen skills and/or survival skills in all varieties of weather, in support of a team working toward a common goal of defense of kin and country. I've been to one. I've taught at two. It's really nothing special (gg), just getting back to basics, and applying those basics to every shot in a methodical fashion, with *The Riflemen controls 500 yards from his position, and is expected to make a 'stopping' shot on all man size targets in that range. A Rifleman know how to do stuff, not just with RWVA "mission" TO Shoot (Riflemen Standards) TO RECRUIT (wake up other Americans to To EDUCATE (teach Riiflemen skills to his team, family, community; to teach civic responsibility...) TO COMMUNICATE (to Perhaps too much PolySci for some, but still sound Riflemen practice for Thanks for your interest in my opinion Pacer Last edited by Pacer; November 22, 2006 at 10:13 PM. Reason: Spelling |
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Thanks Pacer, you are one of
Now does everyone have a clearer picture of Or at least and Josh, Quote:
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It doesn't seem like everyone here is working with
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Benn, I really don't know your definition of what a rifleman is. When I quoted you about
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I'm with Pacer on
And I agree with being "one with your rifle". You have no idea how many people I see come into For me, my "go-to" rifle will always be an AR-15. I have spent thousands of rounds and who knows how many hours getting familiar with them. I'm not military or police; I'm a Highpower shooter. And just because I'm accustomed to drilling little groups in targets slung up doesn't mean I can't hit something when I'm just given a rifle and let-loose! If anything, it comes down to practice and proficiency. No matter who trained you and what you do, if you can pick up a rifle and start hitting 300-yard targets (and further) with a little familiarization, you're a pretty good rifleman in my book. And I also think there's a difference between combat ability and just being a plain good shooter. I've met plenty of former military, police and former police officers who are going to be much, much better at staying alive in a fight than I ever will. But I am certainly not going to back down on survival ability (in Edited: Actually, one of
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