Fake gun quotes- here they are!

BTR · September 12, 1999, 02:09 PM

Here are a few fictional quotes attributed to various founding fathers, and whatnot. They are all fictional, or at least completely unverifiable, meaning there are no records that the person actually said it. It's a pity so many people use these, and ones like them, because there are many great and TRUE quotes by our founding fathers that clearly support our positions.

"This year* will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"

---Falsely attributed to Adolf Hitler, "Abschied vom Hessenland!" ["Farewell to Hessia!"], ['Berlin Daily' (Loose English Translation)], April 15th, 1935, Page 3 Article 2, Einleitung Von Eberhard Beckmann [Introduction by Eberhard Beckmann].

"The most effective means of fighting crime in the United States is to outlaw the possession of any type of firearm by the civilian populace."

---Falsely attributed to Janet Reno, then-state attorney for Dade County, speech to Ft. Lauderdale, Florida B'nai B'rith gathering, ca.1991.

(By the way, the quote where Reno defines a cultist as anyone who believes in the bible, homeschools their childeren, etc, is completely false as well.)

"Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us are totally disarmed."

---Falsely (hilariously?) attributed to Sarah Brady of Handgun Control, Inc. supposedly in The American Educator, published by the American Federation of Teachers (or alternatively, attributed to a speech to AARP, late 1991)

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence. The church, the plow, the prairie wagon, and citizen's firearms are indelibly related. From the moment the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to ensure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable. Every corner of this land knows firearms, and more than 99 99/100 percent of them by their silence indicate they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference; they deserve a place of honor with all that's good. When firearms, go all goes; we need them every hour."

-Falsely attributed to George Washington

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

- Falsely attributed to Thomas Jefferson

References:
http://www.guncite.com/gcbogus.html
http://www.guncite.com/gcbogus.html

Here's some real quotes:
www.saf.org/quotessaf.html

[This message has been edited by BTR (edited September 12, 1999).]

Brett Bellmore · September 12, 1999, 05:48 PM

That "liberty teeth" "quote" from Washington; Sounds like somebody cribbed it from a speach by Patrick Henry. Had the word "percentage" even been coined when Washington was alive?

**Rich Lucibella** · September 12, 1999, 06:34 PM

"Percentage" was one of the terms that are mentioned as suspect, Brett. Very observant. They also mentioned the fact that "covered wagons" were not heading weat at the time.

BTR-
I've long been compiling a set of quotes. This site is a real help and caused me to delete a few that I'd not really questioned. Thanks much for the heads up. Great resource!
Rich

Gwinnydapooh · September 12, 1999, 07:21 PM

What a fascinating website! I've used that fake quote before, too, so I'm glad somebody said something.

What about the quote where Reno defines a cultist according to three attributes:
1. A large store of food
2. Strong belief in God
3. Possession of firearms?

I've always wondered about that one--no matter what Reno thinks in private, it sounds prohibitively stupid to say it publicly.

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Don

"Hey you, let's fight!"
"Them's fightin' words!"

BTR · September 12, 1999, 11:35 PM

Yes, Gwinnydapooh, the quote of Reno defining a cultist is also completely fake. It was supposedly on 60 Minutes. She has never been on 60 Minutes. She has denied in writing saying anything of the sort. It's a just a bit too inflamatory to be true.

Also- if you see a document floating around on the internet (and this board) purporting to be a secret memo of HCI or the whitehouse, detailing a multi-year plan to ban guns, camo clothing, hunting, subversive literature, and whatnot is various stages. It's also a compelete fake. I don't recall where I read it's thourough debunking, but the clincher was the author of memo given wasn't with HCI at the time, or something like that.

Dennis · September 13, 1999, 09:35 AM

Gwinny,

I really like your phrase, "prohibitively stupid"!

Unfortunately, the activities of the current regime (especially of the Democrats) seem to indicate that arrogance can be so great it overwhelms the entire concept of "prohibitively stupid".

[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited September 13, 1999).]

Paul B. · September 13, 1999, 05:05 PM

What I find "prohibitably stupid" are the sheeple who go along with what the democrats are doing.
Paul B.

Keith Rogan · September 14, 1999, 01:20 AM

Its a shame those quotes are false, but we still have Thomas Jeffersons famous line to Adams: "Keep your stinking statist hands off my musket or I'll blow your nuts off with my fowling piece".

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Keith
The Bears and Bear Maulings Page: members.xoom.com/keithrogan

Elker_43 · September 14, 1999, 11:06 PM

Well BTR If they didn't say the words, I SURELY BET THAT THEY WERE THINKING THOSE QUOTES. Thanks for the link.

How about these:
"Little more can be reasonably aimed at with respect to the people at large than to have them properly armed and equipped. The scheme of disciplining the whole nation must be abandoned as mischievous and impracticable." Alexander Hamilton

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." Richard Henry Lee, 1787

"A free people ought to be armed." George Washington, 1790

"The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun." Patrick Henry

"The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of The United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." Samuel Adams

"Unfortunately, nothing will preserve public liberty but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined" Patrick Henry.

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To own firearms is to affirm that freedom and liberty are not gifts from the state.

September 12, 1999, 02:09 PM	#1
BTR Senior Member Join Date: July 13, 1999 Posts: 570	Here are a few fictional quotes attributed to various founding fathers, and whatnot. They are all fictional, or at least completely unverifiable, meaning there are no records that the person actually said it. It's a pity so many people use these, and ones like them, because there are many great and TRUE quotes by our founding fathers that clearly support our positions. "This year* will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!" ---Falsely attributed to Adolf Hitler, "Abschied vom Hessenland!" ["Farewell to Hessia!"], ['Berlin Daily' (Loose English Translation)], April 15th, 1935, Page 3 Article 2, Einleitung Von Eberhard Beckmann [Introduction by Eberhard Beckmann]. "The most effective means of fighting crime in the United States is to outlaw the possession of any type of firearm by the civilian populace." ---Falsely attributed to Janet Reno, then-state attorney for Dade County, speech to Ft. Lauderdale, Florida B'nai B'rith gathering, ca.1991. (By the way, the quote where Reno defines a cultist as anyone who believes in the bible, homeschools their childeren, etc, is completely false as well.) "Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us are totally disarmed." ---Falsely (hilariously?) attributed to Sarah Brady of Handgun Control, Inc. supposedly in The American Educator, published by the American Federation of Teachers (or alternatively, attributed to a speech to AARP, late 1991) "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence. The church, the plow, the prairie wagon, and citizen's firearms are indelibly related. From the moment the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to ensure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable. Every corner of this land knows firearms, and more than 99 99/100 percent of them by their silence indicate they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference; they deserve a place of honor with all that's good. When firearms, go all goes; we need them every hour." -Falsely attributed to George Washington "The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Falsely attributed to Thomas Jefferson References: http://www.guncite.com/gcbogus.html http://www.guncite.com/gcbogus.html Here's some real quotes: www.saf.org/quotessaf.html [This message has been edited by BTR (edited September 12, 1999).]

September 12, 1999, 05:48 PM	#2
Brett Bellmore Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 1999 Location: Capac, MI, USA Posts: 1,927	That "liberty teeth" "quote" from Washington; Sounds like somebody cribbed it from a speach by Patrick Henry. Had the word "percentage" even been coined when Washington was alive?

September 12, 1999, 06:34 PM	#3
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,229	"Percentage" was one of the terms that are mentioned as suspect, Brett. Very observant. They also mentioned the fact that "covered wagons" were not heading weat at the time. BTR- I've long been compiling a set of quotes. This site is a real help and caused me to delete a few that I'd not really questioned. Thanks much for the heads up. Great resource! Rich

September 12, 1999, 07:21 PM	#4
Gwinnydapooh Retired Screen Name Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 978	What a fascinating website! I've used that fake quote before, too, so I'm glad somebody said something. What about the quote where Reno defines a cultist according to three attributes: 1. A large store of food 2. Strong belief in God 3. Possession of firearms? I've always wondered about that one--no matter what Reno thinks in private, it sounds prohibitively stupid to say it publicly. ------------------ Don "Hey you, let's fight!" "Them's fightin' words!"

September 12, 1999, 11:35 PM	#5
BTR Senior Member Join Date: July 13, 1999 Posts: 570	Yes, Gwinnydapooh, the quote of Reno defining a cultist is also completely fake. It was supposedly on 60 Minutes. She has never been on 60 Minutes. She has denied in writing saying anything of the sort. It's a just a bit too inflamatory to be true. Also- if you see a document floating around on the internet (and this board) purporting to be a secret memo of HCI or the whitehouse, detailing a multi-year plan to ban guns, camo clothing, hunting, subversive literature, and whatnot is various stages. It's also a compelete fake. I don't recall where I read it's thourough debunking, but the clincher was the author of memo given wasn't with HCI at the time, or something like that.

September 13, 1999, 09:35 AM	#6
Dennis Staff Emeritus Join Date: November 23, 1998 Location: a small forest in Texas Posts: 7,079	Gwinny, I really like your phrase, "prohibitively stupid"! Unfortunately, the activities of the current regime (especially of the Democrats) seem to indicate that arrogance can be so great it overwhelms the entire concept of "prohibitively stupid". [This message has been edited by Dennis (edited September 13, 1999).]

September 13, 1999, 05:05 PM	#7
Paul B. Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 1999 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 3,802	What I find "prohibitably stupid" are the sheeple who go along with what the democrats are doing. Paul B.

September 14, 1999, 01:20 AM	#8
Keith Rogan Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: Kodiak, Alaska Posts: 1,014	Its a shame those quotes are false, but we still have Thomas Jeffersons famous line to Adams: "Keep your stinking statist hands off my musket or I'll blow your nuts off with my fowling piece". ------------------ Keith The Bears and Bear Maulings Page: members.xoom.com/keithrogan

September 14, 1999, 11:06 PM	#9
Elker_43 Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 1999 Location: Idaho Posts: 489	Well BTR If they didn't say the words, I SURELY BET THAT THEY WERE THINKING THOSE QUOTES. Thanks for the link. How about these: "Little more can be reasonably aimed at with respect to the people at large than to have them properly armed and equipped. The scheme of disciplining the whole nation must be abandoned as mischievous and impracticable." Alexander Hamilton "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." Richard Henry Lee, 1787 "A free people ought to be armed." George Washington, 1790 "The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun." Patrick Henry "The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of The United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." Samuel Adams "Unfortunately, nothing will preserve public liberty but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined" Patrick Henry. ------------------ To own firearms is to affirm that freedom and liberty are not gifts from the state.