Castle doctrine

[buckster]

Rick Perry signed the Castle Doctrine today. You don't have to back up before you use deadly force now. It takes the liability out of defending yourself. Go ahead, make my day. With all the people coming into our state from the south, it helps you sleep better at night.

[applesanity]

....because all those damn border-hoppers from the south are out to steal your T.V. and eat your children, right?

Those crazy, crazy F.O.B's.

You're just looking for an excuse, aren't you?

[Playboypenguin]

Yeah, because we know most imigrants from the south are armed and out to kill gringos. That is why they are coming here.

[applesanity]

most imigrants from the south are armed and out o kill gringos.

Amen, brother. Muslim bashing threads, and now this one? Exactly how large is the fringe group on the TFL forum?

[rem33]

That is why they are coming here.

Man you guys are rough.
In many respects the unregulated immigration flow is killing society as we have know it in some areas of this nation..

I know, I know, the country was built by immigrants etc etc but this unregulated situation needs some control.

Out of control leads to Cayuse (sp) never a good thing

[applesanity]

People are going to immigrate to this country. You can't stop it. So long as they have a reason to come, and no reason to leave, it's going to happen one way or another. The best solution is to find a better, (or enforceable) way of regulating and documenting the process so that most will choose legal avenues instead of illegal ones.

It's like doing your taxes. Sort of. The simpler and fairer the process, the less likely you'll be cheating on them. It worked in the 80's with Reagan - the tax code got simplified, and somehow, magically, tax revenue went up.

But we're getting off topic. The real topic is, what excuse do you have to shoot Mexicans?

it helps you sleep better at night.

Motion to close this thread. But not until I get in a few more cheap shots.

[Playboypenguin]

Man you guys are rough.
In many respects the unregulated immigration flow is killing society as we have know it in some areas of this nation..

I know, I know, the country was built by immigrants etc etc but this unregulated situation needs some control.

There is a HUGE difference between thinking illegal imigration needs to be come down hard upon and implying that you will probably need to shoot one of the immigrants.

[rem33]

The best solution is to find a better, (or enforceable) way of regulating and documenting

I do believe such laws are already on the books so to speak, enforcment is all that is realy needed.

I am done here bad subject.

HUGE difference

Agreed

[applesanity]

and implying that you will probably need to shoot one of the immigrants.

It's because they want to eat his children. And pleasure his mother. Lock, please.

[fourtwentytexas]

Ya, it gives a little more peace of mind, knowing you don't have to prove you were correct in using deadly force both "beyond a reasonable doubt" and "beyond reasonable suspicion."

[fourtwentytexas]

I still think "backing up" if at all possible is still the best coarse of action before using deadly force. I don't think anyone really wants to kill someone.

[Rangefinder]

Well, not so sound like I'm encouraging the patterns developing here.... BUT, I tend to think the castle doctrine is pretty important.

So far in the last year I've had my truck broken into twice. OK--it happens. Don't like it, but it happens. Caught a couple individuals eyeing my bike under the carport not too long ago. I like to think they were just admiring, but the character and nervousness seemed to say they wanted to admire it at another location. Last week when I was home for the afternoon someone rattled the door upstairs and then mine. So someone is becoming more bold as time goes by. With an 11 year-old still at home, it's enough to make me a little 'nervous' about the patterns developing. So if someone decides to get bold enough to come through the door, I'm not going to be hesitating and backing into a far corner--you can be damn sure the castle doctrine is going to be pretty important. The line has to be drawn somewhere--and for me it's at their first step over the threshold.

[fourtwentytexas]

Oh yes in the home is another story. On the street, RUN! Rangefinder do you live in Texas? Remember:

§ 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is
justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or
tangible, movable property:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the
other under Section 9.41; and
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the
deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of
arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the
nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing
immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated
robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the
property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or
recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to
protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or
another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

[Rangefinder]

Nope---Utah, and Montana before that. It's been a while since I've read through all the twisting details of the local laws here on the matter, but I wouldn't mind borrowing a few of yours just for added satisfaction. Luckily, the respectible gun-owner population keeps enough weight in the system to keep the nonsense laws I've seen elsewhere from allowing the not-so-respectable individuals to walk into our houses with more offense than we're allowed defense---legally as well as physically...for now.

[applesanity]

It's not the castle doctrine that I'm bashing here. The burden of proof shouldn't be on me, if I shoot an unlawful intruder. That's not the issue.

The problem is the wording of the first post. Sounds like someone is feeling trigger happy.

[JuanCarlos]

Amen, brother. Muslim bashing threads, and now this one? Exactly how large is the fringe group on the TFL forum?

Large, but not a majority. Just vocal and all too often tolerated and/or accepted.


As for the actual castle doctrine, I'm a fan.

[Playboypenguin]

I agree with Apple, I am not bashing the castle Doctrine. I have never liked the idea that I am required to flee my own home if someone breaks in to my house.

I just did not like the added impication that mexicans might need shooting.

[applesanity]

the added impication that mexicans might need shooting.

Well, if they need some on-the-job motivation....

The lawn's not gonna mow itself, now is it?

But seriously, I stand my ground if i can, when I'm on my own freaking property. But my first reaction won't be to shoot first. The thought if killing another human being still petrifies me. I've never really been in a situation where I might have had to use deadly force to protect myself. Wouldn't know how exactly I'd react. It's not like I can get some hands-on experience on the matter. Hopefully lots of training just makes the whole matter some muscle-memory ordeal, or else I'd do too much hesitating.

(if the implication wasn't clear, I was being sarcastic with the lawn-mowing joke)

[Hedley]

+1 to PP and Apple. Mexican immigrants are the last thing you should worry about when it comes to home invasion.

[applesanity]

Mexican immigrants are the last thing you should worry about when it comes to home invasion.

Yep. You should be worrying about Chuck Norris.

[jimpeel]

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Mar...yForce,00.html

Texas Governor Signs Deadly Force Bill
Wednesday, March 28, 2007

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AUSTIN, Texas — Texans will be able to use deadly force to defend themselves in their homes, cars and workplaces under a bill signed Tuesday by Gov. Rick Perry.

The bill states that a person has no duty to retreat from an intruder before using deadly force. The building or vehicle must be occupied at the time for the deadly force provision to apply, and the person using force cannot provoke the attacker or be involved in criminal activity.

The Legislature approved the measure this month, and the National Rifle Association backed it. The law takes effect Sept. 1.

"The right to defend oneself from an imminent act of harm should not only be clearly defined in Texas law, but it is intuitive to human nature. You ought to be able to protect yourself," Perry said.

Some refer to the measure as the "castle doctrine," drawing from the idea that a man's home is his castle and that he should have the right to defend it.

Several other states have passed similar laws, including Alaska, Florida and Kansas.

The law will also provide civil immunity for a person who lawfully uses deadly force in any of the circumstances spelled out in the bill. Police and prosecutors can press charges if they feel deadly force was illegally used, legislative sponsors said.

Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

[jimpeel]

As an aside, the only way to stop illegal Immigration is for the United States to adopt the peso or Mexico to adopt the dollar. The incentive would simply go away.

[applesanity]

Then the question is exactly how large is the burden of proof?

Playing devil's advocate here, but say one guy visits his buddy for a few rounds of cold brews while watching the big game. Something or another leads to a conversation about politics. Things get heated, there's some pushing and shoving, and the homeowner whips out a Mossberg slide action and pumps his guest full of buckshot.

"Well officer, he, like came here all drunk and picked a fight with me. I was fearing for my life. What else was I supposed to do?"

Because you just know the anti-gun crowd is gonna repeat something like what I said.

[fourtwentytexas]

"Well officer, he, like came here all drunk and picked a fight with me. I was fearing for my life. What else was I supposed to do?"

Well you know, dead men don't tell no lies. They don't tell the truth either.

[RERICK]

Large, but not a majority. Just vocal and all too often tolerated and/or accepted

We are forced to listen to guys like you ( If the shoe fits)spew all this LIBERAL whining all the time. So I guess you have to listen to us as well. Or you could go and hang out with Obama. I'm sure he could use some help. I heard he's down a few points to Hillary